Four, count em Four

[OHara]

There are now FOUR Spanish, full formatted stations in the Philly Market, and many more outside, this with a 5% pop. There is only ONE full time Rock station, with over a 75% pop. Before anyone goes off by saying most are on AM, let me tell you. This market is so bad, many people, including myself, would take an Active Rocker even if it was on the AM band. I would imagine more Spanish formats will crop up on the Philly dial. 104.5 does not play my kind of music, we need a Fiesta Tropical, yes, and also a Regional Mexican, don't forget Reggeton, what no Hurban, how about one more Musica Urbana for the city dweller in all of us, and Salsa for that hot listener and don't forget Tejano, yes and we need a Spanish news station. Possibilities are endless, the Hispanic market is ripe to be tapped. Curse you Brian Check if you read this.

 

[Derek Smalls]

Dude...

Just can it. We get it. You're unhappy with the format. You're unhappy with the urban/tejano/hiphop/any music that isn't what YOU like format. You're unhappy with the world. It's like literary diarrhea, reading this stuff over and over.

104.5 is Spanish...Philly isn't the first market to get a Spanish station, won't be the last....Next topic, please...Cripes...

 

[davideduardo]

There are now FOUR Spanish, full formatted stations in the Philly Market, and many more outside, this with a 5% pop. There is only ONE full time Rock station, with over a 75% pop. Before anyone goes off by saying most are on AM, let me tell you. This market is so bad, many people, including myself, would take an Active Rocker even if it was on the AM band. I would imagine more Spanish formats will crop up on the Philly dial. 104.5 does not play my kind of music, we need a Fiesta Tropical, yes, and also a Regional Mexican, don't forget Reggeton, what no Hurban, how about one more Musica Urbana for the city dweller in all of us, and Salsa for that hot listener and don't forget Tejano, yes and we need a Spanish news station. Possibilities are endless, the Hispanic market is ripe to be tapped. Curse you Brian Check if you read this.

Get over it. Hispanics in Philadelphia, most of whom are born US citizens just like you and me, deserve to be served, too.

Oh... Rumba's format is "Tropical" and "salsa."

Reggaetón and Hurban are the same thing. There is no such music in Spanish as "urbana."

There are no Spanish news stations in the US, including PR.

You are jut bitter because rock was just identified by an analysis of Arbitron as the format most in decline in the US in 2006, confirming yet again a trend that has been going on for many years now.

On the other hand, the biggest audience gains have been for Spanish stations. Again.

 

[jayedwards]

104.5, am690, am1310. what's the 4th Latino station heard in Philly ?

 

[MarcB]

The so called 4th Spanish Station is 1680 WTTM licensed to Lindenwold, NJ. I wouldn't count them because I heard a rumor that Multicultural Broadcasting is selling the station. Also you really can't count 690 WPHE as a Spanish station because they're running a Spanish language religious format, which means they are targetting a different audience than Rumba 104.5 y Caliente 1310.

 

[jayedwards]

maybe somebody will buy AM1680 and air real oldies. but many radios do not get am1680!

 

[Munch]

I thought I read that Philadelphia has the 3rd largest Hispanic population on the East coast.

And the population is continuing to grow. Sounds like a good idea to sign on a spanish station (FM station with a ton of wattage) for that growing population. First one in wins.

I know there are a couple of AM stations doing some form of Spanish... but obviously, AM doesn't compare to FM.

 

[Irishfl]

I thought I read that Philadelphia has the 3rd largest Hispanic population on the East coast.

And the population is continuing to grow. Sounds like a good idea to sign on a spanish station (FM station with a ton of wattage) for that growing population. First one in wins.

I know there are a couple of AM stations doing some form of Spanish... but obviously, AM doesn't compare to FM.

Umm no. Philly doesn't even have the 3rd largest in the northeast, let alone one up there with cities in Florida. Some small markets down there have a bigger hispanic population than Philly..

 

[SoulCrusher]

Reggaetón and Hurban are the same thing. There is no such music in Spanish as "urbana."

Music Choice brands its Latino hip hop and reggaeton station as "Musica Urbana". Maybe that's where he got it from.

My theory as to the real enemy is that it's not one of these other media conglomerates - it's CBS/Infinity. Either go full-time Active/Alternative Rock or full-time Hot Talk/Sports. I think WYSP is keeping other stations in the market from switching over to a Rock format full-time.

 

[radiolover78]

And there are over THREE DOZEN English stations in the entire region!

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[CTNYRADIO]

Yuppers, time to move on. This topic has gotten tiring, it's not a stunt, it's here to stay for a while, Rock will not be back in the near future. Get XM, Sirius or an IPOD dammit.

 

[Dancerev889]

You keep talking about a rock station, so what do you call MMR, the Hawk, XPn and MGK? Suburbia?

 

[promixcuous]

It's interesting to see some pro-Spanish people get all wigged-out about people being upset about foreign language stations taking over. But, Spanglophiles need to understand that the whole point of radio is to bring people together...to communicate. You can't do that if you broadcast incomprehensible babble.

These stations would be so much better off if they broadcasted Hispanic music in English so the rest of us could actually begin to enjoy them. They would greatly expand their audience for their stations, and ultimately for their music and influence on American culture. Hispanics would find their culture welcomed. Instead, Spanglophiles are being pig-headed.

Next time you flip on the TV, look how ethnically diverse shows in English are. Then, turn on a Spanish station--everone is monoethnic. America is a melting pot, and imposing foreign-speaking monoethnicity upon us is only going to provoke animosity and rebellion.

 

[davideduardo]

Next time you flip on the TV, look how ethnically diverse shows in English are. Then, turn on a Spanish station--everone is monoethnic. America is a melting pot, and imposing foreign-speaking monoethnicity upon us is only going to provoke animosity and rebellion.

This sounds like the "all Asians look alike" statement. Hispanics are very diverse... so diverse, ther eis a saying, "20 nations divided by one language." You are unfamiliar with the extrems of Latino culture, so it all seems similar.

 

[damian542]

It's interesting to see some pro-Spanish people get all wigged-out about people being upset about foreign language stations taking over. But, Spanglophiles need to understand that the whole point of radio is to bring people together...to communicate. You can't do that if you broadcast incomprehensible babble.

These stations would be so much better off if they broadcasted Hispanic music in English so the rest of us could actually begin to enjoy them. They would greatly expand their audience for their stations, and ultimately for their music and influence on American culture. Hispanics would find their culture welcomed. Instead, Spanglophiles are being pig-headed.

Next time you flip on the TV, look how ethnically diverse shows in English are. Then, turn on a Spanish station--everone is monoethnic. America is a melting pot, and imposing foreign-speaking monoethnicity upon us is only going to provoke animosity and rebellion.

I have to say that when I began to read this I didn't know where you were coming from.... but I think I agree... kinda... I think if this station played 75% spanish, and 25% english dance music it would be more welcomed... I think the spanish audience deserve to hear music in spanish... but it would be interesting to see how it would do with some english mixed in... Now, excuse me if I'm talking out of turn, I have not even listened to the station, so if they are doing this, sorry in advance

 

[SoulCrusher]

You keep talking about a rock station, so what do you call MMR, the Hawk, XPn and MGK? Suburbia?

WXPN is a listener supported AAA-type station, when they're not doing the Y-100 thing. It's alright, but will not satisfy those craving something edgier than, say, Jack Johnson.

Forget about the other stations. The Hawk and MGK are generic, by-the-book Classic Rock stations - I would rather watch paint dry than listen to them. And WMMR isn't much better with its AOR format. The bottom line is this: The options for people that want to hear post-Bon Jovi rock are nonexistant. The situation is the same in NYC and all New Jersey markets except for AC / Cape May - great if you want a station as bland and safe as 92.3 K-Rock was, but a total bore if you've been a fan of rock music for more than a year. It's a shame that these companies seem to have forgotten the concept of Burn. Maybe radio would be far more interesting to listen to without all this lame repetition - that approach works fine for hit music stations, but not for a so-called Active Rock / Alternative.

 

[fred flintstone]

I don't care where anybody or their people came from and I don't care what percentage of the population they comprise.
This is an English-speaking country.
Any national needs a common language - or it's not really a nation, with a national identity.
The EU is not a nation because it has no common language.
And Quebec will never really be part of Canada despite the government's best efforts.

I have no objection to Latin music on the radio.
But anybody in this country who won't learn English is condemning themselves and their children to the underclass.
And foreign language broadcasting holds people back and keeps them from getting an education and achieving something in this country.
Foreign language radio is an enabler - it's training wheels - it's a crutch.
All foreign language broadcasting should be illegal.

Many of you know are part of the economic mainstream because your grandparents or great grandparents came here and read English language newspapers, watched English lanaguage entertainment (radio, movies, vaudeville...) and insisted that their children speaking the language of their new country at home.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't care where anybody or their people came from and I don't care what percentage of the population they comprise.
This is an English-speaking country.

---->>>> We all know that.

Any national needs a common language - or it's not really a nation, with a national identity.
The EU is not a nation because it has no common language.

------>>>> Actually, when nearly everyone is a polyglot, you can effectively have multilingual nations.

And Quebec will never really be part of Canada despite the government's best efforts.

------>>>> Have you spent time in Québéc? It is really quite canadian, but they see the way the naiton goes differently.

I have no objection to Latin music on the radio.
But anybody in this country who won't learn English is condemning themselves and their children to the underclass.

----->>>> During the history of the US, first generation immigrants have become bilingual in only a tiny percentage of cases. The original immigrant is too busy working, often long hours sor two jobs, to spend any time learning anything. Bilingualism comes with the second generation. And that is true now just as it was with the Gaelic speakers of the late 1840's, the Germans in the 1860-1900 period, and the Italians from 1880 to 1915. And it includes the Poles, the Czecks, the Asians, etc.

And foreign language broadcasting holds people back and keeps them from getting an education and achieving something in this country.
Foreign language radio is an enabler - it's training wheels - it's a crutch.

---->>>> Foreign language media predates our Republic. Ben Franklins paper competed with periodicals in several other langauges... including German and Dutch.

All foreign language broadcasting should be illegal.

----->>>> Thanks to the founding fathers for the First Ammendment. You can not make expression illegal, in any language.

----->>>> Further, since first generation people seldom learn English, ehtnic media (including the stations in the Indian Nations) allow new Americans to understand what is going on around them. Such media plays a vital part in assimilation of everything but language.

Many of you know are part of the economic mainstream because your grandparents or great grandparents came here and read English language newspapers, watched English lanaguage entertainment (radio, movies, vaudeville...)

-------->>>> Untrue. There is ample documentation that the first generation only achieved minimal language assimilation. Knowing a few words does not mean "assimilated" especially when the person is translating mentally from thier native language.

and insisted that their children speaking the language of their new country at home.

------>>>> As has always happened, mostly due to the schools and peer group nfluence.

 

[PaulBWalkerJr]

Ohara.. if you are such a racist a**h**e and don't like any station in this market because they aren';t playing your precious format.... here's a novel idea...

Star a Part 15 or Internet radio station? Do something about it for once instead of whinning.

 

[raydofan]

Ohara.. if you are such a racist a**h**e and don't like any station in this market because they aren';t playing your precious format.... here's a novel idea...

Star a Part 15 or Internet radio station? Do something about it for once instead of whinning.

Or MOVE.