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FOX and Conan in the News......................again

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MediaBoy4Radio

MediaBoy4Radio said:
Yes ....and I know that many will say that this is not even news...but have fun reading.

September should be very interesting!

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/fox_ready_to_swoop_in_on_conan_dnDxLiRzyGOJAc6xufoIfJ
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I hope they can make a deal, I'll watch. I'd like to see Leno's ratings fall through the floor.

Also don't think that just because someone is over 50 that makes them a Leno fan, not true here!

I'd really loved to see Conan as a guest on Letterman's show. Now that would be a riot!
 
Conan sucked on NBC and there is nothing to indicate he wouldn't be the same on Fox.

Certainly in this big, wide world there has to be many other potential hosts with talent enough to draw an audience? Conan has proved only that he can lose one.
 
landtuna said:
Conan sucked on NBC and there is nothing to indicate he wouldn't be the same on Fox.

Certainly in this big, wide world there has to be many other potential hosts with talent enough to draw an audience? Conan has proved only that he can lose one.
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Jay also lost an audience at 10pm.

Jay also lost an audience when he first took over The Tonight Show.

He might also lose an audience when he goes back to 11:35.
 
KentBrockman said:
Jay also lost an audience at 10pm.

Jay also lost an audience when he first took over The Tonight Show.

He might also lose an audience when he goes back to 11:35.
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Why is it when presenting an opinion on one subject someone responds on an entirely different subject?

The subject wasn't Leno. It was Conan heading off to Fox. And the question was why would Fox suits consider putting a person with a failing track record into a new program gamble?

Care to position your response to the question?
 
landtuna said:
KentBrockman said:
Jay also lost an audience at 10pm.

Jay also lost an audience when he first took over The Tonight Show.

He might also lose an audience when he goes back to 11:35.
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Why is it when presenting an opinion on one subject someone responds on an entirely different subject?

The subject wasn't Leno. It was Conan heading off to Fox. And the question was why would Fox suits consider putting a person with a failing track record into a new program gamble?

Care to position your response to the question?
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Leno has had his failures as well. I'm not a Conan fan, but he has a 17 year track record on NBC that should not be overlooked. I think FOX would be making a huge mistake by passing on Conan and his already established audience. I think if the show turns a good profit margin FOX will be happy. Dollars & cents matter more nowadays than ratings points. Letterman's show is a good example of that. His show constantly came in second & third place to Leno's... yet CBS has kept it alive because it brings in good revenue. The days of The Tonight Show being the only late night show to survive ended a loooooooong time ago.
 
KentBrockman said:
landtuna said:
Conan sucked on NBC and there is nothing to indicate he wouldn't be the same on Fox.

Certainly in this big, wide world there has to be many other potential hosts with talent enough to draw an audience? Conan has proved only that he can lose one.
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Jay also lost an audience at 10pm.

Jay also lost an audience when he first took over The Tonight Show.

He might also lose an audience when he goes back to 11:35.
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The big winners in this fiasco have been David Letterman and Jimmy Kimmel. Here's my prediction: Jay will get big ratings on his return to The Tonight Show (curiosity) then sink to #2 in the ratings, behind Letterman, with Kimmel a close third - mostly because Jimmy's show doesn't start until midnight. Leno certainly hasn't come out unscathed by this entire fiasco, and I'm guessing his reign as the number 1 late night host is over.

If I'm wrong by mid-summer, you Leno fans can quote me, and make me eat crow.
 
I also have to disagree with Conan's assertion that The Tonight Show is an American institution. Johnny Carson was an institution.... not The Tonight Show. Carson's show and Leno's show are two very different animals. The days of when three free networks ruled the roost have been over for a long time. Media is now majorly fractured into many different segments with the Internet, DVDs, DVR, iPods, video games, etc. People have many more choices now on how they can spend their free time instead of being limited to watching a talk show at 11:35 at night. I'm not sure if we'll ever see someone the likes of Carson ever again. Network TV does not have the broad exposure like it did 25-30 years ago.
 
If I read this correctly, Conan's exit contract says he cannot host a show until Sept 1, or the other network will have to reimburse NBC the remaining money of his 30 million. Sept 1 is a Wednesday, btw. So start a show in August and pay NBC a prorated amount. Everyone would be expecting a show in September, but maybe FOX can outfox 'em and get an early launch!!!
 
1069_KIFR said:
If I read this correctly, Conan's exit contract says he cannot host a show until Sept 1, or the other network will have to reimburse NBC the remaining money of his 30 million. Sept 1 is a Wednesday, btw. So start a show in August and pay NBC a prorated amount. Everyone would be expecting a show in September, but maybe FOX can outfox 'em and get an early launch!!!
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I don't think NBC is going to allow anyone to prorate anything. You give NBC way to much credit for being nice. I think it's safe to say you won't see Conan until at least September.. and that is if he's lucky enough to get another job right away. We might not see Conan again for another 5 years for all anyone knows.
 
I would think NBC woudn't be stupid enough to sign anything whereas they pay Conan to compete with him.

Lawyers aren't stupid, and NBC could've tied Conan up for years in legal manuevering.

It not to Conan's advantage to come out too soon. He needs to sit back and develop a winning project, if he went to FOX and failed, he'd be tough to ever get back any credit. The longer he stays off TV, the better it will be when he comes back.

FOX would be idiotic to sign Conan before Jay comes back to NBC. FOX has to figure out an offer and if Jay returns to ratings like he had before, there's no reason to assume Conan would skim any of that audience.

If Leno fails, then Conan's worth goes back up.
 
The best way to get Conan back on the air is to not watch Leno when he comes back to host the Tonight Show. I personally plan on letting 7 months go by before I even tune in Jay. Let's see what NBC does when they look at their ratings and realize that bringing Jay back didn't fix their problems.
 
My feeling (since I like both) Conan will share more audience with Letterman than old big Jaw Leno.
 
1069_KIFR said:
If I read this correctly, Conan's exit contract says he cannot host a show until Sept 1, or the other network will have to reimburse NBC the remaining money of his 30 million. Sept 1 is a Wednesday, btw. So start a show in August and pay NBC a prorated amount. Everyone would be expecting a show in September, but maybe FOX can outfox 'em and get an early launch!!!
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On the last Tonight Show, they joked that they'd get around that September 1st date by having "The Andy Richter Show, featuring Conan O'Brien" (but on Animal Planet).

Not that Fox would...but they could (?)
 
Speaking of Andy when he was first on with Conan I didn't care much for him. On the Tonight show I thought they worked very well together and Andy adds a lot to the show. Conan came up with a line and Andy topped it but it wasn't a competition they just shared it. Ed McMann could never do that with Johnny Carson. Johnny didn't like Ed getting a better laugh than he did. Conan and Andy have both come a long way. So those who didn't like them before, have an open mind and take another look (oh Hulu as long as they have the videos up).
 
Conan could be exactly what Fox needs to finally make them truly competitive in late night.....

So what if Joan and Chevy didn't have what it took.....Joan was cursed by a bad production and the stigma of her banishment from the Carson Tonight universe because of this.....Chevy Chase didn't seem like talk show host material.

Then again, Conan wasn't a perfect host in the beginning....but he built himself up after a couple of years and he has 17 years of experience behind him....that's what matters.

Jeff Zucker probably doesn't even realize the damage that has occurred because of this whole mess....and he won't realize it until Conan is kicking Leno's rear in the ratings if he goes to Fox.
 
stdjsb25 said:
So what if Joan and Chevy didn't have what it took.....Joan was cursed by a bad production and the stigma of her banishment from the Carson Tonight universe because of this.....Chevy Chase didn't seem like talk show host material.
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You know what they say, third times a charm... And compared to Rivers and Chase, Conan has more experience in late night, and thus would make him extremely qualified.
 
Let's clear up a couple of points here about Conan and Fox.
1. Conan was a success for the vast majority of the time he was at NBC. They would not have made the Tonight Show deal 5 years ago if that wasn't the case.
2. The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien fell behind Letterman because Leno's prime time show hurt the ratings of NBC affiliate's late local news. That makes it impossible to make an accurate comparison of Conan and Leno's performances on The Tonight Show.
3. Fox is not the same network that put on Joan Rivers, lost Arsenio Hall and tried one final time with Chevy Chase. Since then Fox has gained the NFL, greatly improved its affiliate lineup and established itself as a top competitor in prime time with shows like American Idol.
If Conan goes to Fox, his show will have enough resources backing it to be competitive and successful. That doesn't mean it will succeed, just that it won't be a failure due to a lack of network resources.
 
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