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FOX News signs Palin

Mark_Giardina said:
No big surprise!

No - no big surprise. But this is her chance to show that she's not ignorant. She'll have to get educated fast if she's going to offer any real news analysis, rather than empty political platitudes. Whether you like Carl Rove and Dick Morris or not, you have to admit that they're smart, and they both have a lot of political knowledge to impart.
 
Well but if she wants to keep popularity in Red States she has to compete against Beck and Hannity in Talk Radio. Palin will not sell here in California.
 
Compete against Beck and Hannity, you say?

You know what they say... If you can't (or don't have plans to) beat 'em, join 'em!
 
recto101 said:
Well but if she wants to keep popularity in Red States she has to compete against Beck and Hannity in Talk Radio. Palin will not sell here in California.

Not true. Palin won't be "competing" with Hannity and Beck. She will no doubt be a regular guest on Hannity's Fox News show; and Sean will be happy to have her...like it or not, she has star power.

There is absolutely NO reason she has to have a radio show. There are not many successful politicians who started out with talk radio shows...though many retired politicians host talk shows after leaving office. To have a successful talk show, you have to be controversial to get people excited. And then the statements you make on the radio can be thrown back in your face if you later run for office. Rush Limbaugh is the most popular radio talk host in history, but I doubt he could win elective office on a state or national level.

As for California - it's a liberal Democrat state - Palin will not "sell" in California unless she does a 180 and becomes a liberal democrat. Not likely, I'd say.
 
Lkeller said:
As for California - it's a liberal Democrat state - Palin will not "sell" in California unless she does a 180 and becomes a liberal democrat. Not likely, I'd say.

While true about Cali's political lean, liberal talk radio isn't exactly burning up the rating charts anywhere around here.
 
Lkeller said:
As for California - it's a liberal Democrat state - Palin will not "sell" in California unless she does a 180 and becomes a liberal democrat. Not likely, I'd say.

Nonsense (about her not selling). Fox News has far more viewers in California than in any other state. There are more conservative Republicans in California than in any other state. Yes, they're usually outnumbered on election day (statewide), but there are some pretty large population centers in the state that lean red, including San Diego County, the Central Valley, the Inland Empire and Orange County (though not as much as in the past). Lots of FNC viewers in those places. Don't confuse California with Vermont or Massachusetts - it generally votes 45% Republican (way down from years past, by the way) and that 45% is pretty rabid.

Remember, this isn't an election - it's about TV. In that regard, this move will probably be a win for Fox News because Palin is the flavor of the year on the right.
 
BRNout said:
Lkeller said:
As for California - it's a liberal Democrat state - Palin will not "sell" in California unless she does a 180 and becomes a liberal democrat. Not likely, I'd say.

Nonsense (about her not selling). Fox News has far more viewers in California than in any other state. There are more conservative Republicans in California than in any other state. Yes, they're usually outnumbered on election day (statewide), but there are some pretty large population centers in the state that lean red, including San Diego County, the Central Valley, the Inland Empire and Orange County (though not as much as in the past). Lots of FNC viewers in those places. Don't confuse California with Vermont or Massachusetts - it generally votes 45% Republican (way down from years past, by the way) and that 45% is pretty rabid.

Remember, this isn't an election - it's about TV. In that regard, this move will probably be a win for Fox News because Palin is the flavor of the year on the right.

I didn't mean Palin wouldn't "sell" to TV viewers in California, I was saying that she couldn't win an election here.

And I didn't say there weren't conservative voters in California, and . Of course there are. I spend time in the north state, and I know how white, Republican, and conservative people are there. And again - of course, Sarah Palin will "sell" to those TV viewers. How painfully obvious.

But in elections, it's all about numbers. The vast majority of the state lives along the coast in urban areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles - and they are increasingly liberal and Democrat. San Diego and southern Orange counties are obvious exceptions. California has become a much more liberal state since the days of Reagan. Look at northern Orange County. It's no longer conservative, due largely to immigration.

As for talk radio - there are lots of theories as to why conservative talk radio does so well, while liberal talk radio generally fails. I don't know...maybe its because liberals are listening to NPR. But don't make the mistake of equating talk radio listening with voting. Not the same thing.
 
Lkeller said:
BRNout said:
Lkeller said:
As for California - it's a liberal Democrat state - Palin will not "sell" in California unless she does a 180 and becomes a liberal democrat. Not likely, I'd say.

Nonsense (about her not selling). Fox News has far more viewers in California than in any other state. There are more conservative Republicans in California than in any other state. Yes, they're usually outnumbered on election day (statewide), but there are some pretty large population centers in the state that lean red, including San Diego County, the Central Valley, the Inland Empire and Orange County (though not as much as in the past). Lots of FNC viewers in those places. Don't confuse California with Vermont or Massachusetts - it generally votes 45% Republican (way down from years past, by the way) and that 45% is pretty rabid.

Remember, this isn't an election - it's about TV. In that regard, this move will probably be a win for Fox News because Palin is the flavor of the year on the right.

I didn't mean Palin wouldn't "sell" to TV viewers in California, I was saying that she couldn't win an election here.

And I didn't say there weren't conservative voters in California, and . Of course there are. I spend time in the north state, and I know how white, Republican, and conservative people are there. And again - of course, Sarah Palin will "sell" to those TV viewers. How painfully obvious.

But in elections, it's all about numbers. The vast majority of the state lives along the coast in urban areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles - and they are increasingly liberal and Democrat. San Diego and southern Orange counties are obvious exceptions. California has become a much more liberal state since the days of Reagan. Look at northern Orange County. It's no longer conservative, due largely to immigration.

As for talk radio - there are lots of theories as to why conservative talk radio does so well, while liberal talk radio generally fails. I don't know...maybe its because liberals are listening to NPR. But don't make the mistake of equating talk radio listening with voting. Not the same thing.
I live in California. I live in Sacramento which is basically a Democrat city. It's amazing in California that there are more Conservative radio shows on air than liberal. We used to have two liberal stations but one of them switched to ESPN radio, and the other went to gospel. Palin fits well with FOX because like most of the other junkies, she has no brain. Her and Beckel, and maybe Rivera and Juan 'half fake" Williams, will go at each other.
 
btone1035 said:
I live in California. I live in Sacramento which is basically a Democrat city. It's amazing in California that there are more Conservative radio shows on air than liberal. We used to have two liberal stations but one of them switched to ESPN radio, and the other went to gospel. Palin fits well with FOX because like most of the other junkies, she has no brain. Her and Beckel, and maybe Rivera and Juan 'half fake" Williams, will go at each other.

Although I think that your cheap political comments were quite unnecessary (and I don't agree with your characterizations), you correctly point out that there is a very strong niche for conservative programming in California. Let's not forget that Rush Limbaugh's first big talk gig was at KFBK. Also, though you correctly point out that Sacramento County is pretty heavily democratic; the fast-growing counties to your north and east are predominantly republican (particularly Placer County, where Auburn is). Good illustration of how you have very liberal cities yet very conservative suburbs.

In other words, California is a great state for the likes of Fox News and conservative talk radio.
 
I started all this talk about California politics, and after re-reading the responses, I have to apologize. When Recto said Palin wouldn't "sell" in California, my mind jumped to her political future and the 2012 election. She could never win a Presidential election in California, so that's what I was going on about. BRNout assumed that "sell" was referring to whether or not she'd be popular with TV viewers in California...and he's right.

Sarah is a "star," and will no doubt attract conservative viewers everywhere, and as BRNout states, there are tons of them in CA. My bad.
 
The very idea of her NOT having her own show is a clue that she most likely WILL run for President in 2012...
 
Yeziknoradio said:
The very idea of her NOT having her own show is a clue that she most likely WILL run for President in 2012...

While SP may or may not run in 2012 (or later) I think the main reasons she isn't doing her own show today are:

1. She doesn't have the background or ability to be a successful host.

2. Being available for guest appearances on many shows allows her to reach a wider audience than hosting her own (and means she can repeat her message du jour endlessly and doesn't have to spend time becoming educated on a varied quantity of topics).
 
It's a good move by FOX. Like her or hate her politics, Palin is quite likeable on a personal level. She brings in viewers and that is what counts. Can you remember anytime any losing vice presidental candidate had this kind of popularity, a year after losing?

This is a lady who's smart enough to "make hay while the sun shines."
 
Mark said:
It's a good move by FOX. Like her or hate her politics, Palin is quite likeable on a personal level. She brings in viewers and that is what counts. Can you remember anytime any losing vice presidental candidate had this kind of popularity, a year after losing?

This is a lady who's smart enough to "make hay while the sun shines."

It's true and one point I have tried to make is that she's very telegenic. This is an excellent showcase for her, no matter what her future plans are.
 
landtuna said:
Yeziknoradio said:
The very idea of her NOT having her own show is a clue that she most likely WILL run for President in 2012...

While SP may or may not run in 2012 (or later) I think the main reasons she isn't doing her own show today are:

1. She doesn't have the background or ability to be a successful host.

2. Being available for guest appearances on many shows allows her to reach a wider audience than hosting her own (and means she can repeat her message du jour endlessly and doesn't have to spend time becoming educated on a varied quantity of topics).

Right! I don't think she has enough depth of knowledge to carry her own show. Even expecting Palin to fill those 5 minute guest appearances as a pundit on Hannity and O'Reilly will require her to do some studying.

And why would having your own show prevent you from running for office? You just stop doing the show when you announce your candidacy. Look at Mike Huckabee - he has his own show on Fox News, and I have no doubt he's considering a run in 2012...or at least he was until all the bad publicity surrounding his commutation a few years ago of that prisoner who recently killed the police officers in Washington state.
 
Mark said:
It's a good move by FOX. Like her or hate her politics, Palin is quite likeable on a personal level. She brings in viewers and that is what counts. Can you remember anytime any losing vice presidental candidate had this kind of popularity, a year after losing?

You're right -- it is a good move. While Sarah Palin is a somewhat polarizing figure (to say the least), she is enormously popular with the Fox News core audience.
 
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