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Frankie Blue

Anyone know what happened to Frankie Blue. Most recently,he was PD at Mix 102.7 until a supposed drunken tirade on air with Yvonne Velazquez and him calling the station KTU. What's he up to these days?
 
Wherever and whatever my man is doing he will always be top with me...simply because he knows his music and the demo AND the balls to give the listeners what they want to hear..unlike most PD's who really know nothing about real programming the #1 market, they show what great puppets they truly are.

This is why radio today sucks...
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
Wherever and whatever my man is doing he will always be top with me...simply because he knows his music and the demo AND the balls to give the listeners what they want to hear..unlike most PD's who really know nothing about real programming the #1 market, they show what great puppets they truly are.

This is why radio today sucks...

Include me as a passenger of this wagon! I couldn't agree more... RIGHT ON!
 
Tony, first off, welcome to the board! :)

Maybe it's because I was a listener of 'KTU during the disco days along with Hot 103 and 97, that my view regarding Frankie Blue is slightly skewed when he was on the rebirth of 'KTU. So to that I tread carefully here because honestly, I had NOTHING against the guy. He knew his stuff...agreed, but I actually liked him best when he was running Jammin' 105. To that sense, for someone with the background of classic dance, Frankie Blue is DA MAN. However, as much as I've tried and tried, I could never "embrace" 'KTU in the same fashion that I am embracing Pulse 87 now.

I do realize that many of the decisions regarding the current 'KTU came from corporate. (Evergreen/AM-FM/Chancellor and Clear Channel). But the reality is, while Frankie Blue did a great job with the programming....I think he did TOO good of a job. I say that because a lot of that classic dance mentality is still stuck on people very hardcore (e.g.: freestyle), which made it extremely hard for fans to try to open up to something new.

When we did the first run of the Metro New York Dance Radio Coalition in 1993, we had wanted a current based station (similar to what Hot 97 was and from my many visits to Toronto upon hearing a groundbreaking dance station at that time...CING / Energy 108) If recurrents were to be a part of such a station, it would be done on a minimal scale. So when 'KTU launched and upon hearing that Frankie Blue (who ran the old 'KTU) was a part of it I was very hopeful. However, instead of a station that was an 80/20 with the main lean on currents, it was an 80/20 lean with the main lean on classics. And yes, that was the station that 'KTU was meant to be....and people were chewing me out back then, wondering what MY problem was, that for all of the fighting that I did back then, I wasn't into 'KTU. That (and I've heard this MANY MANY times) "it's better than nothing."

Yet upon the 25,205th repeat of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" followed by Corina's "Temptation" just waiting it out to see if SOMETHING current would come, it became VERY frustrating for me as well as those dance music fans that wanted the currents versus the disco/freestyle. And that's where we felt that 'KTU "sucked". Luckily for those out in the island, Party 105 happened not too long after and THAT was current. Unfortunately the signal didn't carry far outside of Suffolk/So. Connecticut for anyone in NYC to take notice. And back then, Internet streaming really was at its infancy (just the terrestrial stations putting their signal out via RealAudio) nor did satellite radio exist yet....which added to the frustration.

My point was this...if 'KTU came out in a different market outside of New York, that it would have been a killer station. But being "New York", and perhaps this is the part where I say forgive me for giving the dance music fan too much credit, we KNEW better and knew that there was a LOT more material out there that could have been spun on 'KTU that wasn't. The only bit of hope dance fans such as myself had was when Vic Latino came on to the station...and his show was about the closest that 'KTU ever had with "today".

I guess this is the part where I question "the balls". Perhaps Frankie did have the "balls" to get on the few currents that DID appear on 'KTU. I had only wished there was more, instead of this "playing it safe" mentality and admittedly back then, I blamed him for not doing more....to which now knowing what I know, I could only offer my deep apologies for that (there..I've said it). And yeah, 'KTU was number 1 for a while with the way the format was.

Though, knowing the type of station Mix 102.7 was, I never had any qualms with Frankie Blue being there...if anything, it made sense! The bigger problem though was the fact that two stations doing a similar format, with Mix 102.7 never cracking past a 1.4, things were going to kill each other off. And in effect it did. Mix 102.7 is now Fresh and 'KTU dropped the few edgier dance material for "totally safe".

And yes, when you do look at the corporate landscape, radio does suck! Especially on how mainstay formats were dumped for something even more cookie-cutter (CBS oldies for "Jack", CD101.9 for 'RXP) and "soul less". Which is why I want SOOOOO MUCH for Pulse 87 to succeed because with Joel Salkowitz there, the station is indeed a "throwback" to how things were before corporations ruined things. It's a station that has 80/20 with the lean on currents.

Yeah, they have a crappy signal and they're aware of it...but musically and programming wise, I have had NO complaints about it! If anything, I LOVE this station to death!!! And it seems as if they ARE listening and are doing more to really get to the heart of all the dance music fans in New York..perhaps a deep house/lounge mix specialty show along the way??? ;)

Back to Frankie Blue and I do want to be fair about this. I'd LOVE for him tackle a current based dance format somewhere. He did it when Disco 92/'KTU was current. Maybe with the cycle favoring current dance again, it would be wise for some corporation in this country to pick him up as their PD and give him that "free reign" with dance. I've been fighting for Philadelphia to get a station like this.....perhaps he should hit up that market! :) Or Los Angeles. Hey...why not Miami for that matter! :)

To that, I can only wish Frankie the best of luck in his future endeavors. It stunk the way that he went "down".
 
Tony Santiago said:
Tony, first off, welcome to the board! :)

Maybe it's because I was a listener of 'KTU during the disco days along with Hot 103 and 97, that my view regarding Frankie Blue is slightly skewed when he was on the rebirth of 'KTU. So to that I tread carefully here because honestly, I had NOTHING against the guy. He knew his stuff...agreed, but I actually liked him best when he was running Jammin' 105. To that sense, for someone with the background of classic dance, Frankie Blue is DA MAN. However, as much as I've tried and tried, I could never "embrace" 'KTU in the same fashion that I am embracing Pulse 87 now.

I do realize that many of the decisions regarding the current 'KTU came from corporate. (Evergreen/AM-FM/Chancellor and Clear Channel). But the reality is, while Frankie Blue did a great job with the programming....I think he did TOO good of a job. I say that because a lot of that classic dance mentality is still stuck on people very hardcore (e.g.: freestyle), which made it extremely hard for fans to try to open up to something new.

When we did the first run of the Metro New York Dance Radio Coalition in 1993, we had wanted a current based station (similar to what Hot 97 was and from my many visits to Toronto upon hearing a groundbreaking dance station at that time...CING / Energy 108) If recurrents were to be a part of such a station, it would be done on a minimal scale. So when 'KTU launched and upon hearing that Frankie Blue (who ran the old 'KTU) was a part of it I was very hopeful. However, instead of a station that was an 80/20 with the main lean on currents, it was an 80/20 lean with the main lean on classics. And yes, that was the station that 'KTU was meant to be....and people were chewing me out back then, wondering what MY problem was, that for all of the fighting that I did back then, I wasn't into 'KTU. That (and I've heard this MANY MANY times) "it's better than nothing."

Yet upon the 25,205th repeat of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" followed by Corina's "Temptation" just waiting it out to see if SOMETHING current would come, it became VERY frustrating for me as well as those dance music fans that wanted the currents versus the disco/freestyle. And that's where we felt that 'KTU "sucked". Luckily for those out in the island, Party 105 happened not too long after and THAT was current. Unfortunately the signal didn't carry far outside of Suffolk/So. Connecticut for anyone in NYC to take notice. And back then, Internet streaming really was at its infancy (just the terrestrial stations putting their signal out via RealAudio) nor did satellite radio exist yet....which added to the frustration.

My point was this...if 'KTU came out in a different market outside of New York, that it would have been a killer station. But being "New York", and perhaps this is the part where I say forgive me for giving the dance music fan too much credit, we KNEW better and knew that there was a LOT more material out there that could have been spun on 'KTU that wasn't. The only bit of hope dance fans such as myself had was when Vic Latino came on to the station...and his show was about the closest that 'KTU ever had with "today".

I guess this is the part where I question "the balls". Perhaps Frankie did have the "balls" to get on the few currents that DID appear on 'KTU. I had only wished there was more, instead of this "playing it safe" mentality and admittedly back then, I blamed him for not doing more....to which now knowing what I know, I could only offer my deep apologies for that (there..I've said it). And yeah, 'KTU was number 1 for a while with the way the format was.

Though, knowing the type of station Mix 102.7 was, I never had any qualms with Frankie Blue being there...if anything, it made sense! The bigger problem though was the fact that two stations doing a similar format, with Mix 102.7 never cracking past a 1.4, things were going to kill each other off. And in effect it did. Mix 102.7 is now Fresh and 'KTU dropped the few edgier dance material for "totally safe".

And yes, when you do look at the corporate landscape, radio does suck! Especially on how mainstay formats were dumped for something even more cookie-cutter (CBS oldies for "Jack", CD101.9 for 'RXP) and "soul less". Which is why I want SOOOOO MUCH for Pulse 87 to succeed because with Joel Salkowitz there, the station is indeed a "throwback" to how things were before corporations ruined things. It's a station that has 80/20 with the lean on currents.

Yeah, they have a crappy signal and they're aware of it...but musically and programming wise, I have had NO complaints about it! If anything, I LOVE this station to death!!! And it seems as if they ARE listening and are doing more to really get to the heart of all the dance music fans in New York..perhaps a deep house/lounge mix specialty show along the way??? ;)

Back to Frankie Blue and I do want to be fair about this. I'd LOVE for him tackle a current based dance format somewhere. He did it when Disco 92/'KTU was current. Maybe with the cycle favoring current dance again, it would be wise for some corporation in this country to pick him up as their PD and give him that "free reign" with dance. I've been fighting for Philadelphia to get a station like this.....perhaps he should hit up that market! :) Or Los Angeles. Hey...why not Miami for that matter! :)

To that, I can only wish Frankie the best of luck in his future endeavors. It stunk the way that he went "down".


How it went down for Frankie was not right..for reasons I won't discuss here, but I will say that he is my friend and will always be.. However with regards to Pulse, IMO it will ultimately fail for a number of reasons mainly due to my examination of their books and my 23 years of financial Wall Street experience telling me not to play. The playlist is nothing really special and the mix shows are the same lame nonsense that is catered to a moronic audience because you have to be one to listen. Sounds harsh but that is what I feel, and who is to blame???? the dj or management????

I take my personal mixing to a much much higher standard, that is why people listen to my shows, the current mix crew as I said is just uninteresting and the shows have no New York soul in them...that is why they are just bland or plain vanilla, and I don't listen to that type of presentation. Many may agree or disagree..that's kool.

There is nothing that draws me to Pulse, a draw like a 5pm Friday Frankie Crocker is what should be happening, I don't see it. It will always come down to the bottom line and I don't see the numbers in the financials.

Somewhat good idea but wrong vehicle to drive in...I honestly expected much more Horsepower based on the hype.
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
How it went down for Frankie was not right..for reasons I won't discuss here, but I will say that he is my friend and will always be.. However with regards to Pulse, IMO it will ultimately fail for a number of reasons mainly due to my examination of their books and my 23 years of financial Wall Street experience telling me not to play. The playlist is nothing really special and the mix shows are the same lame nonsense that is catered to a moronic audience because you have to be one to listen. Sounds harsh but that is what I feel, and who is to blame???? the dj or management????

I take my personal mixing to a much much higher standard, that is why people listen to my shows, the current mix crew as I said is just uninteresting and the shows have no New York soul in them...that is why they are just bland or plain vanilla, and I don't listen to that type of presentation. Many may agree or disagree..that's kool.

There is nothing that draws me to Pulse, a draw like a 5pm Friday Frankie Crocker is what should be happening, I don't see it. It will always come down to the bottom line and I don't see the numbers in the financials.

Somewhat good idea but wrong vehicle to drive in...I honestly expected much more Horsepower based on the hype.

Hold on there.....I don't want to say the wrong thing or misread this, but in that sense I have this obligation to look out for the bigger picture, and not just on Pulse. I thought about it and decided not to go there with the "moronic" comment (thus the edit). Perhaps this is you talking as an artist and just recently there was a big mess in the dance music forum regarding a DJ/producer in Canada to which I say....if there is any sort of infighting within, it has to stop for the sake of the music.

Granted, I LOVE the deep underground aspect of dance music, the deep house material, stuff out of the UK and Europe, drum and bass, minimalist, electronica, etc. A station like that would be a dream come true for me, but based on a commercial front....can NEVER happen in the US. As much as I also love Sirius' Area 33, that could never be a working station on the terrestrial dial. So you have this small station in Brooklyn that is playing some sort of rhythmic dance music...current music. Maybe the playlist isn't this "OMG!" but compared to what we've had in the past couple of years, it certainly is a breath of fresh air.

Whatever you may feel about the mixshow DJ's there is your opinion and I'm certainly not going to get into the middle of whatever "politics" may be happening out there if there is personal static going on. So to that, I ask you...what would you do different than what is being presented out there? I'm not asking this to start "trouble"...heck I just wanna know because if there is something that can be learned and enhanced and you have what may be the "solution", then bring it out for us because yes...I don't know it all and I want to get at an answer somehow!

Give a challenge to us! It's like I've said, I'm trying to think along the "big picture" here for the improvement of the exposure regarding dance music in this country and whatever can be done to push things forward, then I am all for it...for the music!

If you don't want to discuss it in here...e-mail me at [email protected] . I need as much feedback as I can out of everyone involved with dance music, on a professional level, as possible.
 
OK, now I'm gonna get in on this one -- this is EXACTLY some of the kinds of arguments that we in the oldies community had after the 6/3/05 situation....and it didn't help us - and it's not gonna help here...

As Tony S said, the BEST thing for BOTH of you to do is to make these kinds of exchanges via email - and I believe I speak for many - negative press and using language such as "moronic audience" doesn't get victory for anybody....
 
What I meant by "moronic" is that WE as a audience put up with it.

For example you buy a car and it is a lemon...you say something about it..right? I am not into politics, I am a bad politician, however I KNOW good music, and yes TS the example that you said would not work I do not agree with you on that. Granted drum an bass is not really popular here in NYC but some has its place.

You see people seem to forget that we are talking NYC radio and NYC has a feel to it that ONLY people who grew up in the trenches of the early scene only understand like myself, Frankie Blue, etc... I think you TS understand it as well...a lot of others who try and program here in NYC DO NOT have that "vibe" in their soul to allow it to be disseminated from them via the media of the airwaves.

As far a a format, my company has one and when implemented here in NYC..you all are going to love it and it's as simple as that.

Until then you will have stations here in NYC who really DO NOT do what is really needed to provide the sort of leading of what dance music in NYC was...these stations will just be followers of the same corporate bottom line which really runs the show...if you did not know that....wake up people.

Anybody who understands truly finance and marketing sees the picture with Pulse, it is a lame duck like running your car on E85 and not premium. You are the end user are not getting the whole pie, just the illusion of one. If that is OK for you great, but I answer to higher standards and to me it is unacceptable and to many others as well.

The best part is that I am not afraid to say it like many others are in this industry...
 
One other thing about Pulse is that many people that I personally asked what they thought of the station said the same thing...it is like pirate radio, and that usually has a typical lifespan which usually ends suddenly when the FCC is knocking on your door one day.

The dance radio market here in NYC has not been tapped properly by ANY station, Pulse included.

Sometimes guys it's just that simple...
 
Actually, it's not as simple as it may appear; regarding the signal issue.

You probably know this TR, but since Pulse 87 is actually an LPTV on Channel 6, it has to follow the television broadcast guidelines for low power stations. As such, they cannot transmit a certain length as opposed to a traditional FM station. The problem is especially bad for Central NJ and points south since you have television station WPVI, an ABC affiliate in Philadelphia, transmitting on 87.75 as well. The only good thing about this is the fact that they aren't affected by the digital transition rule come February 17, 2009. But everyone's hope is that they could "buy up" an available frequency should that happen. Of course that takes MAJOR money..like the $50 million Univision spent a few years ago to get 92.7 (and outside of Long Island, 92.7's frequency isn't all that strong)....so Mega Media would probably have to spend at LEAST $100 million to expand their coverage.

Regarding your format.....do you have a sample of it somewhere?? E-mail me if you don't want to release it out to anyone....I'll keep it confidential.
 
TS...I know exactly how much it would cost to start a new station here in the city...

Right after MIX flipped, I was upset about the fact that "ok, another dance station lost" here in NYC....so I decided to do something about it. Put together a plan, format and brought my company into starting a new station. Had the 100 Million ready to go...problem was that there was no freq that was available that we wanted.

So, this is what I mentioned to you, the format that we put together will be implemented..but on a existing station here. Will work on that project soon.

Not many know what I just mentioned, but at this point is is good marketing to shed a little light on hope for dance music...since it IS the original music since the first cavemen hit each other over the head with a t-rex bone to make some sound.
 
I had fun working for Frankie Blue. He gave me my big break in New York radio back in 1996 8)
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
the format that we put together will be implemented..but on a existing station here. Will work on that project soon.

Not many know what I just mentioned, but at this point is is good marketing to shed a little light on hope for dance music...since it IS the original music since the first cavemen hit each other over the head with a t-rex bone to make some sound.

ok so I have to once again jump in on this topic which has totally digressed but in any event... In 15+ yrs I've never ever heard of anyone who is seriously about to make such a move, let a cat out of the bag on something like this! THASSALL . ::)
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
TS...I know exactly how much it would cost to start a new station here in the city...

Right after MIX flipped, I was upset about the fact that "ok, another dance station lost" here in NYC....so I decided to do something about it. Put together a plan, format and brought my company into starting a new station. Had the 100 Million ready to go...problem was that there was no freq that was available that we wanted.

So, this is what I mentioned to you, the format that we put together will be implemented..but on a existing station here. Will work on that project soon.

Not many know what I just mentioned, but at this point is is good marketing to shed a little light on hope for dance music...since it IS the original music since the first cavemen hit each other over the head with a t-rex bone to make some sound.

Might be tough getting a NYC signal for 100M.
 
BACKnUSSR said:
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
TS...I know exactly how much it would cost to start a new station here in the city...

Right after MIX flipped, I was upset about the fact that "ok, another dance station lost" here in NYC....so I decided to do something about it. Put together a plan, format and brought my company into starting a new station. Had the 100 Million ready to go...problem was that there was no freq that was available that we wanted.

So, this is what I mentioned to you, the format that we put together will be implemented..but on a existing station here. Will work on that project soon.

Not many know what I just mentioned, but at this point is is good marketing to shed a little light on hope for dance music...since it IS the original music since the first cavemen hit each other over the head with a t-rex bone to make some sound.

Might be tough getting a NYC signal for 100M.

Not really..freq is key and it's dial location.
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
TS...I know exactly how much it would cost to start a new station here in the city...

Right after MIX flipped, I was upset about the fact that "ok, another dance station lost" here in NYC....so I decided to do something about it. Put together a plan, format and brought my company into starting a new station. Had the 100 Million ready to go...problem was that there was no freq that was available that we wanted.

So, this is what I mentioned to you, the format that we put together will be implemented..but on a existing station here. Will work on that project soon.

Not many know what I just mentioned, but at this point is is good marketing to shed a little light on hope for dance music...since it IS the original music since the first cavemen hit each other over the head with a t-rex bone to make some sound.

I'll check it out when it happens.

Though in comparison to a few years ago, dance music is starting to make small waves. But whatever can be done to further enhance the dance music movement and show profitability to those involved, that's what matters most of all.
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
Wherever and whatever my man is doing he will always be top with me...simply because he knows his music and the demo AND the balls to give the listeners what they want to hear..unlike most PD's who really know nothing about real programming the #1 market, they show what great puppets they truly are.

This is why radio today sucks...


He definitely had the balls to give listeners what they wanted to hear! Especially as a jock!

http://airchexx.com/markets/new-yor...e-and-their-former-station-1027-wnew-new-york

"we're going to stick our hand in the basket, pick out a winner, and we're gonna ---- the winner"

-Frankie Blue

LOLOL
 
letmethinkaboutit said:
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
Wherever and whatever my man is doing he will always be top with me...simply because he knows his music and the demo AND the balls to give the listeners what they want to hear..unlike most PD's who really know nothing about real programming the #1 market, they show what great puppets they truly are.

This is why radio today sucks...


He definitely had the balls to give listeners what they wanted to hear! Especially as a jock!

http://airchexx.com/markets/new-yor...e-and-their-former-station-1027-wnew-new-york

"we're going to stick our hand in the basket, pick out a winner, and we're gonna ---- the winner"

-Frankie Blue

LOLOL


...and you never had a bad day in your life?...c'mon now. ???

Anyhow that segment was live and nothing you can do about it, but by bringing it up again, well stop being a bad boy. ;D
 
I'll check it out when it happens.

Though in comparison to a few years ago, dance music is starting to make small waves. But whatever can be done to further enhance the dance music movement and show profitability to those involved, that's what matters most of all.
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Yeah but, Tony (and you can tell ME if I'm wrong... :) ), isn't it also partially a function of the level and quality of the music that's out there now as opposed to what was happening even a couple of years ago? Perfect case in point - "Calabria" with Enur featuring Natasja(sp?) -- I heard that last week in a Kosher discount store on Avenue M in Brooklyn - on Z100 no less!! To me, that's a GREAT dance music kind of record (I was dancing thru the aisles!) - so i'm sayin if "Calabria" can get this old gal moving on a weekday morning, well....
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
letmethinkaboutit said:
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
Wherever and whatever my man is doing he will always be top with me...simply because he knows his music and the demo AND the balls to give the listeners what they want to hear..unlike most PD's who really know nothing about real programming the #1 market, they show what great puppets they truly are.

This is why radio today sucks...


He definitely had the balls to give listeners what they wanted to hear! Especially as a jock!

http://airchexx.com/markets/new-yor...e-and-their-former-station-1027-wnew-new-york

"we're going to stick our hand in the basket, pick out a winner, and we're gonna ---- the winner"

-Frankie Blue

LOLOL


...and you never had a bad day in your life?...c'mon now. ???

Anyhow that segment was live and nothing you can do about it, but by bringing it up again, well stop being a bad boy. ;D


A bad day?!? I would listen everyday if he went on the air like that! It was gold! Especially, when he used the wrong call letters of their direct competitor, LOLOLOL That's some of the best radio I ever heard! :D
 
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