There were those in the 50s who felt George Jones was crap. When you put songs like White Lightnin' and Why Baby Why next to the more traditional songs of that era like Roy Acuff, Eddy Arnold, and Tennessee Ernie Ford, Jones sounds like a rock act. Every generation creates its own music, and pushes the boundaries a little further. Jones was one who did that himself, and when the next generation came along, he was a lot less diplomatic about it than Acuff.
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George Jones passing
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A lot of people use the generations change as an excuse for the Country Music's change and direction it as taken but I will tell you this and this is something I don't get into much. I was born in Signal Mountain, Tenn. I am no expert in Country Music althou I have studied music some, I have grown up in and with it all around me. I sing and play guitar, write music, and have played in different groups through the years, recorded in Nashville among other places, helped edit music in Nashville, been on the stage of The Grand Ole Opry and The Opry House, who am I, I am a nobody but when it comes to Country Music I don't just listen to it I feel it. Now I don't expect a lot of people to understand what I mean by that but never the less it's the truth, it's who I am and where I come from. I liked most of the Country Music from Jimmy Rogers right on thru most of the 90's (so much for generations). I like some of the new Country Music but not a lot of it. It has very little feeling in a lot of cases and a lot of it just doesn't sound good. There is a lot of flash in the pan music in country today, bang and it's gone. That's not real Country Music. Sorry to get off subject.
Gatekeeper007 said:A lot of people use the generations change as an excuse for the Country Music's change
Sorry, but it's not an excuse. It's the cold hard truth. You just don't accept it.
TheBigA said:carolinaradio said:I pretty much never listen to WESC, but they used to play (even a couple of years ago) a lot of stuff from the 70s and 80s, so I can see the relevance it would have with a lot of their listeners.
Jones stopped getting radio play in the early 90s, and he complained about it a lot. If current stations were playing older music, it was usually by artists still having current hits, like Strait or Reba. The arrival of Garth Brooks & Alan Jackson in 1989 pretty much ended the radio careers of Jones, Haggard, and others from the previous generation.
Actually that is what WESC is supposed to play, the legends. When the personalty's talk parts were put in the day before when George Jones was still alive you can't expect them to act like he died.
Gatekeeper007 said:Big A you are right on one hand but George was right about another the 90's is when things started to go in a different direction that has left us with the mixed up crap that Nashville among other places passes off as Country Music today. Some of the new Country Music isn't bad but a lot of it is just plain crap pure and simple.
It's ok, you can say it--------- MANURE! :-\
BigA it's not a matter of accepting the new country music it's a matter of how new country music sounds or should I say how it doesn't sound and it doesn't sound or feel like country music anymore but some how I still don't think you understand what I mean. If you want to talk about this lets start a new thread.
Gatekeeper007 said:BigA it's not a matter of accepting the new country music it's a matter of how new country music sounds or should I say how it doesn't sound and it doesn't sound or feel like country music anymore but some how I still don't think you understand what I mean.
You're basing that opinion on your frame of reference, which is different from people who are growing up today.
There are kids growing up today for whom Garth Brooks is old country. They don't care if it "sounds like" or "feels like country." Their frame of reference is very different. All genre classifications are subjective anyway. Musicolologically, the single word "country" format really didn't exist 30 years ago. It was hillbilly, folk, country & western, and lots of other classifications. But the one thing I've learned is one generation can't impose its style of music on another. It simply doesn't work. I'm not saying you have to accept new country, but you have to accept that each generation creates its own music from it's own frame of reference. Because it simply is the way the world turns. Nothing stays the same. Nothing.
I was upset with Mr. Jones for doing something that sounded like rock at the 1992 CMA awards (he was inducted into the Hall of Fame on that show), a show where most of the music to me didn't sound like country. Something tells me I would have liked whatever he did just fine today.TheBigA said:There were those in the 50s who felt George Jones was crap. When you put songs like White Lightnin' and Why Baby Why next to the more traditional songs of that era like Roy Acuff, Eddy Arnold, and Tennessee Ernie Ford, Jones sounds like a rock act. Every generation creates its own music, and pushes the boundaries a little further. Jones was one who did that himself, and when the next generation came along, he was a lot less diplomatic about it than Acuff.
vchimpanzee said:I was upset with Mr. Jones for doing something that sounded like rock at the 1992 CMA awards (he was inducted into the Hall of Fame on that show), a show where most of the music to me didn't sound like country. Something tells me I would have liked whatever he did just fine today.
If you listen to his music in the 50s, it WAS rock & roll. He even did records under the name of Thumper Jones at one time.
Nobody says that each generation doesn't change music to some degree but let's get real Country Music has changed more in the last twenty years than since it first started, so much so that it's roots and origin are almost gone. Putting a few country words in a song with loud rock guitiar, pop music or rap mix and an odd rhythm doesn't make it country no matter how you mix it, it's not real Country Music. I am not saying that there aren't any good new Country Songs they are just very few and far in between the rest of the crap. I am not going to get into a bunch of examples but a while back there was a thread about Country Music and somebody named which songs they liked best by Sugarland and which songs they didn't really care for. I decided to take this list and just kind of find out from different people (of all ages yes from young to older) which ones they liked the best. With just a few exceptions in about every case the pick for best was just about the same more or less and was about the same as this person on the older thread picked, the difference, they leaned more toward traditional country but for the most part the people who picked them didn't really know what the difference was they just liked them better. Yes there are some young people that don't like the traditional sound mixed into our format at the station for example but yet when I talk to some of those same young people now 12 years later they listen to us and tell us how much they like a lot of the same songs they wouldn't listen to before, yes things do change. All my life I have never been a person for the current In Thing unless it was good weather it's music or other things. If it is good or grows on you then great but if it isn't so good then nothing going to make it any better and the current brand of country music isn't getting any better it's just kinda hanging there.
Gatekeeper, I totally disagree. Want change in country music? How about Marty Robbins fuzz-toned lead guitar in "Don't Worry"? Or the acceptance of many of Elvis' songs on country radio? Or how about the slick early 80's Gibb-influenced production that dominated country radio from 1980-1984?
The change from 1990 to today has NOTHING on those sea changes. Please, Conway Twitty was one of the worst offenders, with his pseudo-Barry White sing-speaking and his disco beats and production. Now he's considered one of those country legends we miss so much.
In point of fact, country music has probably changes LESS over the last 20 years than in any twenty year time frame before it. You just don't care for it, so you mount an argument that has little merit. Someone mentioned this earlier - that kids born in in 1990 are now graduated from college - and country music hasn't changed all that much over that time period. George and Reba and Alan are still here, Bryan White segued to Rascal Flatts then to Hunter Hayes; Patty Loveless to the Dixie Chicks to Miranda Lambert. From Alabama to Diamond Rio to Little Big Town. If you loved Travis Tritt, Eric Church is probably right in your wheelhouse. The threads that run from 1990 to today are clear and practically unfrayed.
Your preferences are not everyone's, nor should they be. But if you are going to tilt at the windmill that is "What is country music?", you are going to lose. There are thousands of country radio stations across America who are pretty much in agreement with what country music is, and many millions of listeners back them up.
The change from 1990 to today has NOTHING on those sea changes. Please, Conway Twitty was one of the worst offenders, with his pseudo-Barry White sing-speaking and his disco beats and production. Now he's considered one of those country legends we miss so much.
In point of fact, country music has probably changes LESS over the last 20 years than in any twenty year time frame before it. You just don't care for it, so you mount an argument that has little merit. Someone mentioned this earlier - that kids born in in 1990 are now graduated from college - and country music hasn't changed all that much over that time period. George and Reba and Alan are still here, Bryan White segued to Rascal Flatts then to Hunter Hayes; Patty Loveless to the Dixie Chicks to Miranda Lambert. From Alabama to Diamond Rio to Little Big Town. If you loved Travis Tritt, Eric Church is probably right in your wheelhouse. The threads that run from 1990 to today are clear and practically unfrayed.
Your preferences are not everyone's, nor should they be. But if you are going to tilt at the windmill that is "What is country music?", you are going to lose. There are thousands of country radio stations across America who are pretty much in agreement with what country music is, and many millions of listeners back them up.
The change your taking about that happened through the years was pretty natural and progressive. I should know I was one of the ones helping to push it. The changes over the last 15 to 20 years have been mostly about money (big and quick money) not just a natural music progression like country music has done through the years. The best way to lie, tell a half truth, the best way to cover something, mix what you want in with the natural progression of things a little, then a little more, then quite a bit until you change it and get what you want. For country music this maybe profitable right now and make them look more Hollywoodish than Nashville. But it's an In Thing not a natural progression. Young people growing up with the new country music sometimes don't know the difference unless they are given a choice, but where I grew up and come from is where country music first started in this country and for a lot of us it's not hard to tell today weather country music as progressed naturally or weather it is being pushed in the direction it has gone in, trust me it's not just me that knows or feels the difference, not by a long shot. One thing that is on the subject of George Jones by the way He Stopped Loving Her Today is now number 21 on Bill Board Country Charts and George Jones record albums and sales in general have gone up 1000% since his passing. I can see him sitting up in heaven saying well I had to die to do it but I did it back on the charts again.
The changes in country music in the past 20 years have been quite drastic. The changes in the past 10 years especially.
I've been intimately involved in country radio for the last twenty years - I don't see what you mean by the last ten years (or last twenty) bringing a "drastic change". The change occurred around 1990 or so. It's been more or less unchanging for the last twenty. The genre as a whole went sort of AC-ish in the late 90's, but once the format started nosediving and people saw the correlation, the ship righted itself.
DudeFan said:The mid to late 70's during the "Urban Cowboy" era, country music took a huge light rock/soft AC bent, as well.
Good point. And the '70s also saw no less of a Country legend than Bill Anderson hammer out a disco country song! YUK!
You're not hearing what I'm hearing. I'm hearing The Titanic.Wabbit Season said:I've been intimately involved in country radio for the last twenty years - I don't see what you mean by the last ten years (or last twenty) bringing a "drastic change". The change occurred around 1990 or so. It's been more or less unchanging for the last twenty. The genre as a whole went sort of AC-ish in the late 90's, but once the format started nosediving and people saw the correlation, the ship righted itself.
I stay about a month behind reading newspapers at the library. So I was up to April 13 the last time I went there. I'm up to April 27 now, hoping that when I return to that library May 28 I can see April 28 and that they won't use that strict limit to decide when to throw anything out--after all it takes papers a few days to get ther. It was all I could do to finish what I did.
And this means an ad was still running in one paper I saw which showed who would be playing at Harrah's Cherokee over the next few weeks.
George Jones was scheduled to play.
Sad.
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