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Get Ready for AM 1520

Andrew Skotdal said:
Gee, where's the LOVE people? I know the market is dying for Acid Polske. Sadly, we will disappoint again.

There are other programming opportunities
Yoko Ono's greatest hits may soon be appearing on KGA, but I can assure you they won't be on the air at 1520, Snohomish.

Andy, Music or no, 1520 should be a real grass-roots community station. High School kids on the weekend doing Saturday morning news, high school football, little league, pop warner, soccer play by play, swap n shop on-air. The mayor and council members should be regulars. You'll never win with the PPM but screw Arbitron. The merchants will buy you because you'll draw a crowd to their big sale with free hot dogs and 1520 contest both and money cube. Old school can still work if you're smart and back it up with new tech. Twitter and Face Book can be powerful tools for radio. Bless you for keeping AM a viable medium.
 
Great post from TowerLamp....EXCELLENT.......IF Andy chooses music....I have discovered some great tunes----I am thoroughly enjoying the on-line stream of Hit Parade Radio....www.hitparaderadio.com

Even if the choice is to be live and local...the music on the new hit parade radio is imho excellent. It's like a hip and happening KIXI...songs that people that listen to AM radio love, enjoy and remember....best of the 50's, 60's and 70's with a small smattering of 80's songs. I just heard "Nights On Broadway" by the Bee Gees, Crystal Gayle "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue," Hall & Oates "She's Gone," Malo "Suavacito," Bill Withers "Use Me," Patsy Cline "Crazy," "Suspicious Minds" Elvis, "Daydream Believer" the Monkees, "Cast Your Fate To The Wind," by Sounds Orchestral," and so many more...lots of "Oh Wows!!!!!"....great tunes to hear once again.

......no one is playing anything like this on the radio in the N.W. Much more listenable than KIXI, not as edgy as KJR-FM or KJAQ obviously, much much more fun than KWRM. Larry Lujack and Wink Martindale will be two of the personalities on there....

I remember when I programmed KWYZ/Radio 123 in 1985-86...we were live and local and kicked butt in Everett...did live broadcasts of my morning show at Lake Stevens High School when they went for the state title in football that year....did lots of community events...and in Snohomish County we did VERY GOOD in the ratings.....not bad for a little 1kw AM signal.....

Best wishes to Andy and 1520!! Kick some radio booty!!! I'd personally love to help out with the new station...new stations are fun and a challenge!! LOVE THAT!!!
 
I'll admit, I'm VERY pessimistic (and skeptical) of any new station on the air, But dammit, we want something REALLY good on the radio. FM (and ESPECIALLY AM.) I want LIFE. And COLOR to radio. Radio needs that now more than EVER.

I don't care if it's AM or FM (and to be honest a LOT of people outside the Arbitron PPMs don't either), just something BEYOND the chronically recycled ordinary. There's STILL great LOCAL radio to be made yet STILL.

I do agree a strong web presence is not only critical, but VITAL to an AM station's survival in this age of wi-fi and other distortions. But it goes far beyond what even Twitter and Facebook can accomplish. It's a "home" connection to people abroad as well as those locally. Syndicated crap does not much more than fill airtime. You gotta look at the broader picture. People don't want to have to call an 800/877/866 number for requests. People want a LOCAL number to make LOCAL requests. Played by LOCAL DJs. By a station that is truly LOCAL.

A tall order maybe, but you just ain't gonna get much with the alternative.

Mr. Skotdal, I KNOW you can rise to the challenge. It takes money to MAKE money. You ain't Onassis I know. I personally know millionaires that shop at Grocery Outlet these days. But dude, seriously, that's what it TAKES to REALLY launch an AM station today. Just (BLIP!) You're on the air, tell your friends. isn't ENOUGH anymore.

Hasn't been...for a LONG time.

You have to offer something BEYOND the average AM radio drivel. And LOTS more of it

I congratulate you for being a daredevil in this particular age of radio (especially AM), but I also hope you know the risk you are taking. Right now is a PERFECT time to not recycle, but REINVENT AM radio. Yes, I got smug a few posts ago because I figured all hope was lost. But you actually seem extremely determined (you spent how much on all THIS?) and if my $2.00 on this post is any worth, well, keep it. It's worth it's weight in gold at least.

Best of all possible luck to you and AM 1520
 
I don't know that playing local requests will get it done, but how about a Northwest or Snohomish Idol show. Tie in with local casino's and Karaoke bars and night clubs and record and play local singers sponsored by those clubs and casino's. the station could do live remotes again with sponsors and there could even be a entry fee with recordings possibly played back on the air. How about the pet corner, with a Vet sponsored show with local lost animals, a trading post, the possiblities are endless. The key in my opinion is local and sponsored, because you gotta pay the bills!
 
I'll add my best wishes for providing the kind of radio that people in your primary coverage area will find compelling. (I live nearby, so I'll count myself among the potential audience.) That, of course, means doing something different then the mostly-irrelevant programming on the AM dial. Adult personality-based programming gives you a lot of leeway without resorting to time brokered "Tenement" hours.

Of course, it all comes down to how well your signal comes thru on cheaply-built receivers today, how it shouts over the buzz from unsheilded power lines, and gets heard clearly over the powerful skip signal from the Oregon station. Then again, you'll probably also develop your own nighttime skip (I'm guessing to the San Juans, Vancouver Island, or maybe for the handful of folks on the Queen Charlotte Islands??). There's something interesting about how the few high powered directional nighttime AM signals at this end of the dial really do travel well at night - but with the tradeoff of poor coverage in their standard fringe area. (see earlier discussions about KGA -- which used to come in like gangbusters in San Francisco at night -- and on the Cincinnati board about how WCKY 1530 w/ 50kw barely covers the northern suburbs at night, but blasts across most of the rest of Eastern time zone with little fading.)

We're eager to hear your test signals.

GL
 
GL,

Do you mean an A/C music format? I don't think it would fly on AM. Maybe an
old school Country format, but the best bet would be a combo of sports,
finacial, info for you life in Snohomish County. Maybe a partnership with
the Everett Herald? I don't see a music station, unless a low power FM
simulcast is added, working. Lets give Andy some money making idea's!!
Be specific on this roundtable.
 
If this is going to be an interesting, compelling and dynamic AM station that will stand out, does Mr. Skotdal have to pick a musical format? If music is going to be primary, then I would say yes. If it will just be thrown in the mix for variety and giving the DJs a pee break, don't pick a type of music. Play 2-3 songs an hour depending on the show or programming slot. But play country, AC, polka, 80's, disco.... whatever... Mix it up.

As I said, if music is going to be the focus, this type of presentation wouldn't fly, but if music is just decoration, play with it!
 
Timmy said:
If this is going to be an interesting, compelling and dynamic AM station that will stand out, does Mr. Skotdal have to pick a musical format? If music is going to be primary, then I would say yes.

Interesting, compelling dynamic AM station? That's a double negative- actually I guess that would be a triple negative.

Timmy said:
If it will just be thrown in the mix for variety and giving the DJs a pee break, don't pick a type of music. Play 2-3 songs an hour depending on the show or programming slot. But play country, AC, polka, 80's, disco.... whatever... Mix it up.

As I said, if music is going to be the focus, this type of presentation wouldn't fly, but if music is just decoration, play with it!

Polka, 80's disco and AC?? Dude, you really don't understand how radio works do you? It's a business, in this case a business located in Everett, Washington. That being said, if you are independently wealthy and willing to buy block programming on the station 24/7, I'm sure the station owner would be happy to allow you to program whatever garbage you choose, especially in economic times like these. Conversely, if indeed you're not independently wealthy, I suggest you don't hold your breath for anyone with half a brain to program a Polka, disco, AC, 80's station. You may want to save up some tip money and buy yourself an IPod for that.

But thanks for the good laugh anyway!
 
Goo-hoo always has to rain on any parade for the imagination with the ABCs of bidniz. Guess it's a compulsion. Didn't some folks once think the imagination was supposed to be what compelling radio inspires? Better pictures than on TV, too. Start there, and make sure you will have a workeable signal, and the money and audience will follow, as long as they know you're there and have something offer. Otherwise, why be in radio?

Perhaps he's never actually heard a "full service" or eclectic-formatted station (not block programming - but a wide mix, usually selected by air talent to accentuate what they're doing on the air, and to bring a spot of joy and good taste in between all of the crass commercialism he'd likely recommend as the easy way to fill airtime, regardless of whether or not it connects with actual human listeners, just brings in a few $$ for awhile until it's someone else's headache.
Maybe some programming not unlike was KOMO, KIRO, and KING-AM once were could anchor the schedule. Any one think there might still be room to do the kind of radio people used to rely on for companionship and for local information?

Maybe the big guys don't want to try this kind of radio anymore because it requires compelling air personalities who can tell stories, provide all sorts of useful, relevant information, and keep the divisive opinionizing to a minimum - at least on the air. (If you want to put more syndicated hacks who tout the GOP party line for their bosses, you'll just continue to make AM radio irrelevant to most of the population--especially in W. Wash.) I think there's plenty of people who have an interest in a lot of things and want to know more about the world around them.

Personality radio for a suburban market also requires sales people who can sell the station's audience to prospects without relying solely on Arbitron as the only case they can make to sell some ads. There used to be plenty of successful such stations serving major market suburbs. I don't think it has to be a thing of the past, and, frankly, it really can't be if terrestrial radio is going to have a localized future. If it won't, then why not turn over the transmitters to non profits and just stick the same old formats on a national satellite radio? Sure would be efficient.

On another note, driving around Edmonds today at 10am and again at 3:30pm I found the Oregon station on 1520 came in pretty lound and clear, with minimal fading, apart from some power line interference. That's well beyond critical hours skip. So I'm guessing the new licensee will have some serious signal issues by being crowded in on top of such a strong signal, with a loud uptempo Tex-Mex format, which happens to skip something fierce into his primary service area.

If I were in his shoes, I'd get it on the air, and then find a new pattern combination to see if the license can be reassigned to AM1500, which is a much cleaner frequency, what with that is-it-still-unresolved assignment down in Burbank and not much of a night signal from San Jose. Just have to null toward Bremerton, and see if the Canadians intend to do something on 1500. I'm guessing you'll have to do something other than crank up the watts in order to be heard OK more than 10 miles away. - Despite webstreaming, a good signal that listeners can get anywhere, anytime is still, in my opinion, paramount.
 
Your Oregon station is KGDD Oregon City.

-crainbebo
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
Goo-hoo always has to rain on any parade for the imagination with the ABCs of bidniz. Guess it's a compulsion. Didn't some folks once think the imagination was supposed to be what compelling radio inspires? Better pictures than on TV, too. Start there, and make sure you will have a workeable signal, and the money and audience will follow, as long as they know you're there and have something offer. Otherwise, why be in radio?

Perhaps he's never actually heard a "full service" or eclectic-formatted station (not block programming - but a wide mix, usually selected by air talent to accentuate what they're doing on the air, and to bring a spot of joy and good taste in between all of the crass commercialism he'd likely recommend as the easy way to fill airtime, regardless of whether or not it connects with actual human listeners, just brings in a few $$ for awhile until it's someone else's headache.
Maybe some programming not unlike was KOMO, KIRO, and KING-AM once were could anchor the schedule. Any one think there might still be room to do the kind of radio people used to rely on for companionship and for local information?

Okay Goldi, tell you what; name one or even two currently profitable "full service" AM stations in the United States. This includes stations either with a larger group parent, or mom-and-pop owner. Better yet, name one profitable AM station that plays polka, disco, AC, and whatever else. We're waiting.. And yes, this is a loaded question.

Small market community AM or FM stations are closing up shop weekly in the U.S. Most could barely meet meager payroll with basic sales and other support while running syndicated barter programming, let alone paying multiple shifts minimum wage to spin polka, disco, Elvis, or whatever. In small towns all over Washington State and middle America, stations are struggling or going silent because their advertisers are going out of business, sticking the station with the ad bill and a lot of unfilled inventory. Stations can't even afford to pay the rent and utilities because their revenue stream has dried up. The problem is that once these advertiser businesses close, it may take two years or more after the economy turns around for new advertisers to come back into the area. So what does an independent owner do in the meantime? Many have used up any cash reserves and banks won't let them borrow money unless they're either willing to put all their personal property on the line, or live with crazy interest rates and penalties. So do they risk losing the roof over their heads to keep some radio station on the air? My point is to the layperson, one can say "gee, if they only played the kind of music I like, then the money will come flowing in the door!" The truth is the situation has nothing to do with formats, it's the cash flow for small stations with advertisers that have closed their doors that has gone negative. Don't believe me? Get in your Toyota Prius, and drive to Eastern Washington. Find a couple mom-and-pop owned stations and buy the owners lunch or even a cup of coffee. They will tell you all about how easy it is to just change format with live jocks, just move an AM directional signal around, or more than likely; barely make ends meet every week.
 
Wowser - GooRoo really reverts to the same discussion to everything everybody posts - without really hearing what a lot of people are saying about having a vision and trying something. Man, with that consistently-formatted negative tone (which I guess also describes KTTH, KVI, KKOL, and probably even 820, 630, 1590!), he seems to be implying that radio is a dying business, and no one should be allowed to use it except for a handful of corporate honchos -- who often happen to be the principle characters behind making the medium so irrelevant to what's now become an entire generation.

And he assumes the rest of us are novices and don't understand his fool-proof business model, the only one that can ever work.

I'm not denying the economic realities of what the government -- the "business-friendly leadership" that a lot of these same characters alluded to two paragraphs back have had a big hand in making happen, thanks to suckling up for 8 very mean years to Bush-Cheney and Co. And that the prospective station this thread is about isn't also challenged by signal issues and a big electricity bill for the change to put out some real signal - at least in one direction.

If you're crazy enough to try to start something new on AM for a local area that has a not-quite-robust population base -- then I think you're going to just have to think outside the mold that's infected much of the broadcasting industry today. And try.

But I digress.

GR - why do you have to always piss on anyone's encouragement, and malign them, making incorrect assumptions about who they are, and what they're talking about. If you've never been on the air, never supervised air staff, never collaborated on live events and great interviews and stuff that makes the phones ring off the wall... then you've never tasted just a little of what radio can be besides legal documents and a computer. And if the AM or FM dial just won't connect with listeners on anything other than a "rile up the true believer partisans" level today, then it's probably got something to do with people like you who claim to have some influence with some of the corporate radio players in this market, and offer one of a preselected half dozen or so radio formats.

Specialized radio formats can and will work when the people running them know how to be a part of their community, and put something on the air they enjoy and care about - and not rely completely on agencies for sales. And when they don't have to make some corporate honcho rich just to get on the air.

Maybe the prices for radio sales/licenses have to come down even further, or maybe the FCC can finally do its job and just reassign some full powered radio licenses to newcomers who don't need to whine about not being able to make enough money on the public airwaves with all that they've been given in repeated waves of deregulation. Maybe it's time to let some non profits and people who operate on a smaller scale have a crack at some of those frequencies the corporate types are never satisfied with.

What say the rest of ye? It's not "Mutiny" when we, the public, really still do own the airwaves. There weren't no radio in feudal England, and that's not the kind of business model that works today. If so many licensees can't make their business model work this quarter, then I'm sure there's a tribe or two that would love a chance at a 100kw FM frequency that other licensees don't feel is performing "successfuly." And without having to pay some outrageous sum to the chosen few broadcasters and brokers for the priviledge of having a small slice of radio pie.

So there's a few tangents to stir up the ether...

GL
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
What say the rest of ye? It's not "Mutiny" when we, the public, really still do own the airwaves. There weren't no radio in feudal England, and that's not the kind of business model that works today. If so many licensees can't make their business model work this quarter, then I'm sure there's a tribe or two that would love a chance at a 100kw FM frequency that other licensees don't feel is performing "successfuly." And without having to pay some outrageous sum to the chosen few broadcasters and brokers for the priviledge of having a small slice of radio pie.

I'm not saying you're right, or that the Guru is right. All I know it that it's a LOT easier to talk about what a station SHOULD do when it's not YOUR name on the license and not YOUR ass on the line to pay the bills.
 
SeattleRadioPro said:
I'm not saying you're right, or that the Guru is right. All I know it that it's a LOT easier to talk about what a station SHOULD do when it's not YOUR name on the license and not YOUR ass on the line to pay the bills.

Well said.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
And he assumes the rest of us are novices and don't understand his fool-proof business model, the only one that can ever work.
Actually based on your posts I assume that you in particular are a novice and don't know what you're talking about. Nice that you can speak for other's on this board though.

Goldilocks94941 said:
Specialized radio formats can and will work when the people running them know how to be a part of their community, and put something on the air they enjoy and care about - and not rely completely on agencies for sales. And when they don't have to make some corporate honcho rich just to get on the air.

Really! Since you make such a definitive statement, you must know several successful AM stations currently running "specialized programming". In that case my challenge stands.. Tell all of us what current stations in the U.S. running specialized radio formats are profitable.

Even better, I'll throw you a bone; tell us all about some community LPFM stations that are financially viable and embraced by their communities.
 
TVradioguru said:
Even better, I'll throw you a bone; tell us all about some community LPFM stations that are financially viable and embraced by their communities.

Vashon Island is a good one. Not sure if they are still on...but I remember reading they served a function, community loved it, and they were "getting by" financially. I think it's a good example of what LPFM concept was SUPPOSED to be.
 
The challenge was made to Goldi, but your submission is noted.

According to the FCC database, the LPFM on Vashon is still an application on 101.1FM yet to be constructed. The previous pirate station that was on Vashon doesn't count as a profitable station, nor frankly would any illegal station.
 
Geeez, whatta shame that KGA has gone so far down hill., Used to hear 'em in the Willamette every night (KFBK too). That was 30 - 40 years ago when fewer stations were on the air and AM DXing was fun. Now they're turning DOWN the power? Shame.

Several posts back Andy mentioned engineer George Frese. Anyone ever work at an AM with a Frese Audio Pilot for processing. Took up half a rack (and a thousand tubes) and was a dynamite processor for years. Okay I'm going to step out of my time machine now and come back to the 21st century.
 
placebo1969 said:
The only LPFM I know of is in Bellingham at 102.3. I don't like it because it messes with KZOK big time in many places.

KMRE-LP is an AWESOME station.

It wasn't like you could get KZOK that well in Bellingham anyway. CFRO 102.7 always whipped KZOK on the dial as far as Bellingham signal strength (unless you are on Cornwall, past Bellingham High School or on the higher reaches of Alabama Hill. But elsewhere, 102.5 was hopeless before KMRE-LP.

KAVZ-LP 102.5 in Van Zandt has a shorter signal range than some perfectly legal Part 15 FM transmitters I swear, ZAP! It just comes in for a few blocks and ZAP! it's gone again.....
 
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