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Good riddance 93 Rock

As an Anglo :D growing up in South Florida, WSHE and Zeta 4 (K102) were on the bottom of the list of stations listened too. Not much has changed. Rock has never done well in South Florida. Heck Stations played very little AC/DC, Def Leppard. Hell Bon Jovi wasn't in heavy rotation. Not much has changed. The stations above probably wouldn't have survived if it wasn't the fact they were owned by smaller groups at the time.
 
sflaboy said:
David,
Just one question - not intending to start anything...but have you ever programmed a radio station? If so, then in what market?

Seriously? You don't know who David is???
http://www.davidgleason.com/

If anyone on this board knows radio and how to program it, that would be David. He has also helped launch successful Rock stations...in other parts of the world!

Not saying David can't be wrong on occasion, but overall he's a true guru that just about everyone on these boards can learn from.
 
sflaboy said:
With all due respect, Kiss probably cash flows 4-5 million dollars a year. Beasley is probably pretty comfortable with those numbers.

That's the real point here. But the market is not the same as it was a couple of years ago.

The station billed about $14 million in '05 and '06, it was down to around $8 million in '09. Still, at that level it is certainly possible to have decent cash flow, but it may be lower than you estimate.

But, on the positive side, an exclusive format means less pressure to spend on promotions, advertising and marketing.
 
sflaboy said:
Just one question - not intending to start anything...but have you ever programmed a radio station?

Yes, a couple of them in fact.

If so, then in what market?

Miami is one of them...

Maybe you're a teacher,

I'd sure hope to be considered a teacher as that is one of the most important jobs for a GM, PD, GSM or consultant, IMHO.

Just wondering where all this "high theory" is coming from.

Since when is knowing the characteristics of your market "high theory?"

Your statement reminds me of all the roadkill I have seen over the years where someone says, "the reason (insert format name or music genre here) has never worked here is that nobody has understood what (repeat the name of the format or genre) listeners really want." Forget the fact that there simply may not be enough listeners for that format to make it viable, and forget the fact that the only one to know what listeners want are the listeners.

PDs are like chefs... we cook up what listeners "order" and if we satisfy and exceed expectations, the customer comes back.

One more time...Rock is a PRIMARY format.

The facts would indicate that in the Miami MSA it is not a primary format (whatever that term means to you). It's not really certain that it is even a viable format.

There is an unserved hole in Mia-Fll. Yes, it does underperform vs the US - so does Country. But, the format has succeeded in the past (Zeta & SHE).

Country is nowhere nearly as fragmented as "rock." There are varieties of rock that are repugnant or useless to partisans of other kinds of rock. There is even polarization within formats, as anyone who has ever been in an alternative rock music test can testify to.

While some country listeners may prefer a pre-90's sound, there is a lot more tolerance for more current songs than you would find between classic rock partisans and songs from the modern/active/alternative rock subsets. Essentially, we have several different rock formats...

When She and such were more successful, the demos of Miami were very different. And, as is usually the case, the majority... in this case Hispanics... will tend to influence the tastes and preferences of the market as a whole. That's basic sociology... and sociology is the only university level course in programming that is worth taking.

When those stations were at the top of their games the market was approximately 45% Hispanic and 12% black. I had no idea that the market had gone to 70 or 80% ethnic in the three years I've been in Alabama.

In 2000, Miami 12+ was 39% Hispanic, and 17% Black. WZTA was 12th and WBGG was 16th in 12+, while WEDR had, alone, a share equal to the sum of the two rockers. 103.5 had no year averaging over a 3.6 after 1985 when it averaged 5.0 (Source: Duncan's American Radio, Maximiser). Rock has had less than a 6 share for a decade... certainly not the top of anyone's game.

The Hispanic population in the MSA has grown by over a third in ten years, and the Black population by nearly 20%. That means the non-Hispanic white population has gone from around 46% to 30% in the same period, a loss of a third.
 
I don't think it's the demographics to blame, I'm sure it's the PDs not doing the rock format right. San Antonio is about 51% hispanic and "KISS-FM" (not a CHR, ironically Cox-owned) does pretty well with a 3.0. Also, in Fresno, another city with a huge Hispanic population, Clear Channel-owned KRZR did pretty well until CC killed it off for Gen X, which was a stupid move considering there's a country station in that cluster with a 1-share that's getting beat badly by Peak's "Kiss Country".
 
musicman3355 said:
I don't think it's the demographics to blame, I'm sure it's the PDs not doing the rock format right. San Antonio is about 51% hispanic and "KISS-FM" (not a CHR, ironically Cox-owned) does pretty well with a 3.0.

Fewer than 20% of San Antonio Hispanics are Spanish dominant. San Antonio de Valero Hispanics are mostly assimilated, and some can trace 8 to 10 generations in the area dating to the early 1800's... while Miami is around 60% Spanish domiant, and there is little beyond second generation as a significant presence of Hispanics there did not begin until well into the 1960's.

The degree of assimilation gives a clear indication of the potential interest in general market English language stations.

However, San Antonio is not Miami. The Riverwalk with mariachis is not SoBe with dance. The city that gave us Pitbull and Gloria Estefan is not the same as the area that gave us Emilio Navaira and La Mafia.

Quiz:

"When I think of 'let's party' I think of:"

1. Fargo
2. Erie, PA
3. San Antonio
4. Fresno
5. Miami.

Also, in Fresno, another city with a huge Hispanic population, Clear Channel-owned KRZR did pretty well until CC killed it off for Gen X,

If they killed it, it must be that it did not do well enough to be a "keeper."

Fresno is the most assimilated of the CA markets, and while more Spanish dominant than San Antonio, it has an Hispanic population that dates back to "The Grapes of Wrath" in the 30's.

Miami Hispanics are over 60% Spanish dominant. The city is run by Hispanics. It's the only mainland city where the household income of Hispanics is higher than that of non-Hispanic whites. The market's economy is significantly dependent on trade and tourism from Latin America, which perpetuates and incedntivises the use of Spanish. And there's not a mood that is conducive to the success of a rock station anymore.
 
On another note, who will be the biggest beneficiary of the fall of 93 Rock, will it be BIG 105.9, The Buzz, or maybe even Kiss Country.

The Buzz is currently touting itself as "South Florida's only Rock station".. additionally, they seem to be playing more of the 90s rock that was a staple over at 93 rock. Though the Buzz does well on the Treasure Coast, CBS might want to consider trying to relocate the Buzz to a position on the dial that reaches a little farther south.
 
The Buzz has been 90s-Gold heavy for a while. I wondered if they were considering a shift toward a Classic Alternative format.
 
ScottBurns said:
The Buzz has been 90s-Gold heavy for a while. I wondered if they were considering a shift toward a Classic Alternative format.

The Buzz was playing Guns N' Roses today.. you might be on to something.
 
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