This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside the UK.
http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
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Goodbye London - UK Streamers to halt external service?
- Thread starter DJKraze
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> This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
Can you say GREED?
So far only Finland and the UAE have some stations that offer their streams only within their country.
Notice in the article that this will NOT affect the BBC radio stations (such as BBC Radio 1, which can also be heard via Sirius Satellite Radio).
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
Can you say GREED?
So far only Finland and the UAE have some stations that offer their streams only within their country.
Notice in the article that this will NOT affect the BBC radio stations (such as BBC Radio 1, which can also be heard via Sirius Satellite Radio).
> Can you say GREED?
Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German copyright agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the near future.
They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless it's actually pay per track - locked to a single device using DRM.
PPL have also drafted a licence which would legally require any DJ playing music from a computer in a club to have all their sound recordings on the DRM system. To which 99.9% of club DJs will stick up two fingers. I hope.
Hey, you'll still get the pirates, who collectively broadcast more dance music in an hour than the entire legal radio industry does in a week, so it's not quite "Goodbye London"...
Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German copyright agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the near future.
They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless it's actually pay per track - locked to a single device using DRM.
PPL have also drafted a licence which would legally require any DJ playing music from a computer in a club to have all their sound recordings on the DRM system. To which 99.9% of club DJs will stick up two fingers. I hope.
Hey, you'll still get the pirates, who collectively broadcast more dance music in an hour than the entire legal radio industry does in a week, so it's not quite "Goodbye London"...
> This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
Ugh!!! This is horrendous news! I hope that some agreement can be worked out to stave off this development - or that we can find a way to bypass this.
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
Ugh!!! This is horrendous news! I hope that some agreement can be worked out to stave off this development - or that we can find a way to bypass this.
O
ojmurphy
Guest
> > Can you say GREED?
>
> Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright
> agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German copyright
> agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the near
> future.
>
> They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been
> for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless it's
> actually pay per track - locked to a single device using
> DRM.
Disgrace. I sincerely hope our world class stations, the likes of Virgin and Classic FM, stand up for themselves, otherwise the reputation of British radio is on the line.
This 'Kill Internet Radio' campaign these organisations are running must be fought. The whole world is coming together through technology, and with it so is the music industry, and they have to embrace this fact sometime or later. Lets hope Internet Radio rebounds from this, just like it has other set backs.<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
>
> Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright
> agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German copyright
> agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the near
> future.
>
> They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been
> for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless it's
> actually pay per track - locked to a single device using
> DRM.
Disgrace. I sincerely hope our world class stations, the likes of Virgin and Classic FM, stand up for themselves, otherwise the reputation of British radio is on the line.
This 'Kill Internet Radio' campaign these organisations are running must be fought. The whole world is coming together through technology, and with it so is the music industry, and they have to embrace this fact sometime or later. Lets hope Internet Radio rebounds from this, just like it has other set backs.<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
> This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
They're talking about "geo-locking" the sites to only allow streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one get around that?
You know, whenever you enjoy something, it seems like there is always someone out there who wants to spoil it for you.
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
They're talking about "geo-locking" the sites to only allow streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one get around that?
You know, whenever you enjoy something, it seems like there is always someone out there who wants to spoil it for you.
Re: Goodbye London - Capital FM confirmed to close international streaming
I notice GCap, owners of Capital FM, BRMB, XFM, Choice FM and many other UK radio stations have confirmed publicly that their streams will close to international listeners from 1st April 06. I would expect the other major owners to follow suit very quickly.
This won't affect the Republic of Ireland, so streams from there should remain legal for now.
> They're talking about "geo-locking" the sites to only allow
> streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one
> get around that?
The system in use by some US broadcasters can be circumvented with the help of a techie living in the country in question, who may be able to get a direct link to the stream, rather than going through the official 'player'. I don't know if the system used by UK broadcasters will be the same, however.
I notice GCap, owners of Capital FM, BRMB, XFM, Choice FM and many other UK radio stations have confirmed publicly that their streams will close to international listeners from 1st April 06. I would expect the other major owners to follow suit very quickly.
This won't affect the Republic of Ireland, so streams from there should remain legal for now.
> They're talking about "geo-locking" the sites to only allow
> streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one
> get around that?
The system in use by some US broadcasters can be circumvented with the help of a techie living in the country in question, who may be able to get a direct link to the stream, rather than going through the official 'player'. I don't know if the system used by UK broadcasters will be the same, however.
M
midwestclubber
Guest
> > > Can you say GREED?
> >
> > Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright
> > agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German
> copyright
> > agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the
> near
> > future.
> >
> > They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been
>
> > for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless
> it's
> > actually pay per track - locked to a single device using
> > DRM.
>
> Disgrace. I sincerely hope our world class stations, the
> likes of Virgin and Classic FM, stand up for themselves,
> otherwise the reputation of British radio is on the line.
>
> This 'Kill Internet Radio' campaign these organisations are
> running must be fought. The whole world is coming together
> through technology, and with it so is the music industry,
> and they have to embrace this fact sometime or later. Lets
> hope Internet Radio rebounds from this, just like it has
> other set backs.
>
This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t, and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming international broacasters, or else. What do they have to gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to, I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take my national streamers away.
> >
> > Well, the PPL certainly can. So can the US copyright
> > agencies, and Dutch copyright agencies, and German
> copyright
> > agencies... and so on, and so on... you may find in the
> near
> > future.
> >
> > They are hell-bent on killing internet radio and have been
>
> > for some time. For them, online music = piracy, unless
> it's
> > actually pay per track - locked to a single device using
> > DRM.
>
> Disgrace. I sincerely hope our world class stations, the
> likes of Virgin and Classic FM, stand up for themselves,
> otherwise the reputation of British radio is on the line.
>
> This 'Kill Internet Radio' campaign these organisations are
> running must be fought. The whole world is coming together
> through technology, and with it so is the music industry,
> and they have to embrace this fact sometime or later. Lets
> hope Internet Radio rebounds from this, just like it has
> other set backs.
>
This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t, and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming international broacasters, or else. What do they have to gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to, I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take my national streamers away.
> This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting
> your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t,
> and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
> this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of
> how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me
> so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to,
> I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I
> am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take
> my national streamers away.
>
Don't worry clubber, there's always www.dxtuners.com, and I'm sure some stations will illegally be relayed via Shoutcast.
I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
> your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t,
> and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
> this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of
> how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me
> so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to,
> I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I
> am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take
> my national streamers away.
>
Don't worry clubber, there's always www.dxtuners.com, and I'm sure some stations will illegally be relayed via Shoutcast.
I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
> This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting
> your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t,
> and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
> this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of
> how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me
> so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to,
> I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I
> am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take
> my national streamers away.
>
Well said! All we can hope is that this can be bypassed. I have read elsewhere that the stations may be able to get away with just asking for your postcode. If so, well....
> your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats Bullsh.t,
> and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
> this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track of
> how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes me
> so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write to,
> I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad, I
> am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not take
> my national streamers away.
>
Well said! All we can hope is that this can be bypassed. I have read elsewhere that the stations may be able to get away with just asking for your postcode. If so, well....
O
ojmurphy
Guest
> > This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting
> > your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats
> Bullsh.t,
> > and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
>
> > this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> > international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> > gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track
> of
> > how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes
> me
> > so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write
> to,
> > I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad,
> I
> > am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not
> take
> > my national streamers away.
> >
> Well said! All we can hope is that this can be bypassed. I
> have read elsewhere that the stations may be able to get
> away with just asking for your postcode. If so, well...
If that is the case, I'll publish a great long list of postcodes, without reservation, for you guys to use. I'm appalled and saddened by this situation. If anyone does want to write and complain, PPL is the organisation behind this, and a quick google search should bring up some details.
<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
> > your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats
> Bullsh.t,
> > and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
>
> > this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> > international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> > gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track
> of
> > how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes
> me
> > so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write
> to,
> > I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad,
> I
> > am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not
> take
> > my national streamers away.
> >
> Well said! All we can hope is that this can be bypassed. I
> have read elsewhere that the stations may be able to get
> away with just asking for your postcode. If so, well...
If that is the case, I'll publish a great long list of postcodes, without reservation, for you guys to use. I'm appalled and saddened by this situation. If anyone does want to write and complain, PPL is the organisation behind this, and a quick google search should bring up some details.
<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
S
SirNigel
Guest
> They're talking about "geo-locking" the sites to only allow
> streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one
> get around that?
UK proxy servers might help.
Sure this is annoying news, but so far the BBC and London pirates don't seem to be going away anytime soon.
Also as mentioned on another post dxtuners.com let's you hear real radio from around the world.
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здравствулте!</P>
> streaming to IP addresses that are UK-based. How could one
> get around that?
UK proxy servers might help.
Sure this is annoying news, but so far the BBC and London pirates don't seem to be going away anytime soon.
Also as mentioned on another post dxtuners.com let's you hear real radio from around the world.
<P ID="signature">______________здравствулте!</P>
> > This is sooooooo Stupid, and should be illegal. Limiting
> > your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats
> Bullsh.t,
> > and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
>
> > this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> > international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> > gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track
> of
> > how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes
> me
> > so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write
> to,
> > I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad,
> I
> > am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not
> take
> > my national streamers away.
> >
> Don't worry clubber, there's always www.dxtuners.com, and
> I'm sure some stations will illegally be relayed via
> Shoutcast.
> I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already
> past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
>
A good amount of those stations who stopped streaming have either resumed or are in the works, along with many many new stations, every day there's dozens of new US stations coming online.
> > your net broadcasts only to your country,,, Thats
> Bullsh.t,
> > and to top that off, more countrys will follow suite after
>
> > this. This better not ruin my hobby of streaming
> > international broacasters, or else. What do they have to
> > gain by doing this, and how are we suposed to keep track
> of
> > how radio sounds in other parts of the world? This makes
> me
> > so Damm mad, you wouldnt even beleive. Who can I write
> to,
> > I want to complain about this sh.t to someone. I am Mad,
> I
> > am P.ssed, and its only the beginning, they better not
> take
> > my national streamers away.
> >
> Don't worry clubber, there's always www.dxtuners.com, and
> I'm sure some stations will illegally be relayed via
> Shoutcast.
> I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already
> past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
>
A good amount of those stations who stopped streaming have either resumed or are in the works, along with many many new stations, every day there's dozens of new US stations coming online.
> Sure this is annoying news, but so far the BBC and London
> pirates don't seem to be going away anytime soon.
Given the nature of the London pirates, I'm certain they won't in reality be affected by this law. They already face much more severe penalties for illegal FM broadcasting. Anyone caught even tangentially involved in any aspect of FM piracy in London faces unlimited fines and (in theory) up to two years in jail.
> pirates don't seem to be going away anytime soon.
Given the nature of the London pirates, I'm certain they won't in reality be affected by this law. They already face much more severe penalties for illegal FM broadcasting. Anyone caught even tangentially involved in any aspect of FM piracy in London faces unlimited fines and (in theory) up to two years in jail.
N
Neal123
Guest
WPLJ
> I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already
> past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
Well actually it HAS already happened in the US. Try accesing the WPLJ stream from overseas...You get a "Sorry you must be in the United States to listen" message.
> I don't see this happening in America, as the US is already
> past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
Well actually it HAS already happened in the US. Try accesing the WPLJ stream from overseas...You get a "Sorry you must be in the United States to listen" message.
Re: Goodbye to Some Today
> This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
As of this afternoon, the Chrysalis stations are using Geo-coding to deny non-UK IP addresses access to streaming. Gcap stations were working earlier today, not sure about now.
What a completely stupid and GREEDY idea! These guys have no idea how many CD's I've bought from artists that I never would have heard of were it not for listening to streaming stations such as Virgin, Capital, etc. Dumb!
If there's anything I can do to get around this new rule, I'm game.
> This could be the end of UK internet radio for those outside
> the UK.
>
> http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
>
As of this afternoon, the Chrysalis stations are using Geo-coding to deny non-UK IP addresses access to streaming. Gcap stations were working earlier today, not sure about now.
What a completely stupid and GREEDY idea! These guys have no idea how many CD's I've bought from artists that I never would have heard of were it not for listening to streaming stations such as Virgin, Capital, etc. Dumb!
If there's anything I can do to get around this new rule, I'm game.
Re: Goodbye to Some Today
I agree it's greedy on the part of the PPL - I wrote to Capital and they said that we should be mad at them! Oh well, they were real good humoured about it, and advised me of the postcode hack. Of course I live at my parent's address (GU6 8RU...)
Capital come streaming in OK. 96.4 The Eagle doesn't ask for a postcode yet nor does it do geographic location - yet. Its former sister station Delta however are doing geographic location, as are SRH stations (Clyde, Tay, Forth, etc.)
If anyone else has any workarounds, I'd like to know too.
Mark.
> > This could be the end of UK internet radio for those
> outside
> > the UK.
> >
> > http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
> >
> As of this afternoon, the Chrysalis stations are using
> Geo-coding to deny non-UK IP addresses access to streaming.
> Gcap stations were working earlier today, not sure about
> now.
>
> What a completely stupid and GREEDY idea! These guys have
> no idea how many CD's I've bought from artists that I never
> would have heard of were it not for listening to streaming
> stations such as Virgin, Capital, etc. Dumb!
>
> If there's anything I can do to get around this new rule,
> I'm game.
>
I agree it's greedy on the part of the PPL - I wrote to Capital and they said that we should be mad at them! Oh well, they were real good humoured about it, and advised me of the postcode hack. Of course I live at my parent's address (GU6 8RU...)
Capital come streaming in OK. 96.4 The Eagle doesn't ask for a postcode yet nor does it do geographic location - yet. Its former sister station Delta however are doing geographic location, as are SRH stations (Clyde, Tay, Forth, etc.)
If anyone else has any workarounds, I'd like to know too.
Mark.
> > This could be the end of UK internet radio for those
> outside
> > the UK.
> >
> > http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/031706/index.asp
> >
> As of this afternoon, the Chrysalis stations are using
> Geo-coding to deny non-UK IP addresses access to streaming.
> Gcap stations were working earlier today, not sure about
> now.
>
> What a completely stupid and GREEDY idea! These guys have
> no idea how many CD's I've bought from artists that I never
> would have heard of were it not for listening to streaming
> stations such as Virgin, Capital, etc. Dumb!
>
> If there's anything I can do to get around this new rule,
> I'm game.
>
O
ojmurphy
Guest
Re: WPLJ
> > I don't see this happening in America, as the US is
> already
> > past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
>
>
> Well actually it HAS already happened in the US. Try
> accesing the WPLJ stream from overseas...You get a "Sorry
> you must be in the United States to listen" message.
Correct. But there is a stream out there that you can listen to worldwide
<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
> > I don't see this happening in America, as the US is
> already
> > past that stage where a lot of stations stopped streaming.
>
>
> Well actually it HAS already happened in the US. Try
> accesing the WPLJ stream from overseas...You get a "Sorry
> you must be in the United States to listen" message.
Correct. But there is a stream out there that you can listen to worldwide
<P ID="signature">______________
Owen</P>
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AZwerebear
Guest
Find a UK based Proxy Server and then in your browsers options Set that up and it will look like your surfing from the UK.
I tried this tonight with Classic gold radio and it worked fine.
I tried this tonight with Classic gold radio and it worked fine.
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AZwerebear
Guest
Was funny to see ads geared towards a UK websurfer as well,
you can essentially look like your from any country on the globe)
you can essentially look like your from any country on the globe
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