Hartford Councilwoman wants WPHH and WZMX to monitor Lyrics

[DJKraze]

> > Most stations, especially the ones
> > run by the big commercial stations, play nothing but the
> > "extra clean" mixes of tracks.


A corection to what I said ... Ok, maybe not "nothing but the extra clean mixes" but for the most part as clean as they can get it, and if not clean enough, I have heard them edit tracks even further than the so-called "clean release" the labels send out.


> Ummm....how do you clean up the Violence that is glamorized?
> I've never heard an "extra clean" version that took all the
> violence, and womanizing out. That would be like changing
> Ice T's Cop Killer, to "Cop Liker"...
>
> Just so you understand, it's not about Lyrical Content (or
> swearing)...it's about the content itself.
>

That's exactly what they do. There's been a bunch of tracks that have had more than one "clean version", for whatever reason they made a standard radio mix which mainly takes out the language, then there's the so called "extra clean version" that takes out all references to drugs (as many clean versions do already) or violence or anything they think anyone would be offended by, either by removing the words in the track leaving gaping holes where only the music is heard or by changing the lyrics to something less offensive.

I don't think they ever did that with Cop Killer, but that was nearly 20 years ago when the standards in Rap & Hip-Hop were far different than they are today. Back then you almost didn't have clean versions of records, I think it was Easy-E & NWA that started doing that (of course they were really the first to take foul and suggestive language into overkill) they were followed by the 2-Live Crew with the same LP released as "As dirty as they wanna be" & "As clean as they wanna be".

Most rap didn't bother with this as commercial airplay was lacking in those days and of course with the pressure put on the labels due to the desire to get airplay, controversey caused by the groups just mentioned with politics trying to get warning labels put on music, things changed toward the end of the 80's and into the early 90's and pretty much most of the rap & hip-hop heard on the radio today has more than one edit.

I'm not saying all the tracks are available in an "extra clean" mix, but most of the stuff you're hearing on those two stations is chopped and hacked to bits, especially in this day and age of extra heavy FCC scrutiny. Yes, they do try to slip things in or maybe something slips in by accident (like in a live mix set where the DJ has the wrong side of the record on the turntable and yes I've heard that happen on one of the two stations mentioned), but I'd say morning shows get away with much more than most of the music on those two stations.

 

[cabradio]

> Happy Cab


LOL...As I mentioned above, (WCW you may not have read my reply to Hacker), I think you two are trying to arrive at the same place but taking different roads. I don't know how old you two are (wait Hacker said something about being 23? Right) But there seems to be a generational thing here. I might be somewhere in the middle. There's room for all of us here. It's time to agree to disagree, but differing views don't make anyone a bad person.






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[cabradio]

> but I'd say
> morning shows get away with much more than most of the music
> on those two stations.

You are right! And what's sad is the listeners don't realize what level of entertainment they are getting! It's so jouvanile.

These stations don't want mature adults listening, they want immature adults.

There is a time and a place for a little immaturity, but alas I've exercised my right to choose, and I choose to NOT listen. Advertisers DON'T want to hear that!



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[SCRHack]

> There is a time and a place for a little immaturity, but
> alas I've exercised my right to choose, and I choose to NOT
> listen. Advertisers DON'T want to hear that!


Cab I dont know about that, if you like at urban influenced ad campaigns they're pretty huge. When 50 Cent is peddling stuff, it MAY be what advertisers wanna hear. The Hip Hop/Urban market is huge, suburban kids wanting to be hard and what not.

And have you SEEN these Sprite commercials?

 

[SmashTim]

Oh Come on, Vioklence has much more to do with the times & poverty than it does lyircal content. Other than NEW in the late 80's, for the most part the violent Gangsta type rap started in the early 90's. Throughout the 90's the crime & violence in this country dropped dramatically despite more & more violent content in music, tv & the movies, as we were in a time of economic prosperity & while poverty in this country was still a problem it dramatically improved. Crime & violence although still low has inched up a bit during the past couple years which have been a bit toucher economically & povertywise. To say that violence in music & media i general is a cause of violence in our society is laughable when you look at the facts. That the time period where violence on tv & musical content grew at a pretty rapid pace (during much of the 90's) the crime & violence rate in the country was declining rapidly.



> ***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly
> when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and
> ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly sexual
> nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen to
> today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even
> among kids that are barely teenagers.
>
> There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in the
> eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some
> kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of today's
> kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by
> the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government
> sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is
> doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear words
> that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that is
> nothing more than going through the motions and will have
> little impact on the youth.
>
> Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the
> government and media has done their best to put a stop to
> parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no
> longer discipline his kid without having to worry about
> being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to
> kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents
> and that they can do essentially as they please without
> having to worry about their parents. Having both parents
> being forced to work while they dump their kids at a daycare
> center or outside certainly is not the solution to the
> problem.
>
> Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
> changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> come up with the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
> > There was this guy Byrd I think was his name he got
> > paralyzed from playing football. Christian Okoye can't
> walk
> > right that was from playing football.
> >
> > Hm on the news today I heard nothing but shootings and
> child
> > molestations doesn't make me want to do that any more or
> > less.
> >
> > People raise your children. Don't let the TV do it for
> you.
> >
> > Enough of this cruel world syndrome... that everything is
> > awful everyone is out to get you, BUT none of it is your
> > fault. Puh-leaze. People get hurt every day doing
> something
> > stupid mimicking something on TV or not. I just watched
> > Batman Begins I'm not going to become a vigilante in the
> > near future... This is utterly sad.
> >
> > You could write a small book about every incident you've
> > read about... I can name about 50 that disprove your
> theory
> > and go into great lengths why its wrong. This isn't
> anything
> > new. This has nothing to do with music, video games,
> books,
> > etc. It has everything to do with parents not wanting to
> > raise their chilren OR not being able to raise their
> > children because of the fact that the economic state of
> the
> > country is spiralling out of control.
> >
> > And if you're telling me NO ONE, not one person EVER got
> > poked in the eye because of the three stoges, you are out
> of
> > your frickin mind.
> >
> > Should Power and Hot monitor their lyrics? Probably not
> any
> > more than they already do. How bout monitoring the mind
> > numbing banter that some of thier jocks put on our ears
> that
> > teach kids ignorance is ok, that not knowing how to speak
> > properly is ok. Thats a much more dangerous weapon than
> any
> > 50 Cent song.
> >
>

 

[cabradio]

> Throughout the 90's the crime &
> violence in this country dropped dramatically despite more &
> more violent content in music, tv & the movies, as we were
> in a time of economic prosperity & while poverty in this
> country was still a problem it dramatically improved. Crime
> & violence although still low has inched up a bit during the
> past couple years which have been a bit toucher economically
> & povertywise. To say that violence in music & media i
> general is a cause of violence in our society is laughable
> when you look at the facts.

Okay. Show us the facts. Where are you getting your info from? State your source. You can't come on a mesage board, say "look at the facts", and not substantiate them. What you have posted is your opinion until you state a referencable source; that is to say, a source anyone can verify, not something like a flyer your town posted on the grocery bulletin board, or to say you heard it on your nightly news. Post a link to a magazine article or a government report with those statistics. Then you can claim "facts".<P ID="signature">______________
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[SCRHack]

If this doesn't stay on the topic of radio, I'm gonna have to lock this whole thing

Anyway, factually he's not far off base. Only slightly. But I don't have the facts to back it up. Any one that wants to argue that poverty doesn't have to do with violence is gonna have a large up hill battle to fight.

 

[SmashTim]

Facts to back up my point

> If this doesn't stay on the topic of radio, I'm gonna have
> to lock this whole thing
>
> Anyway, factually he's not far off base. Only slightly. But
> I don't have the facts to back it up. Any one that wants to
> argue that poverty doesn't have to do with violence is gonna
> have a large up hill battle to fight.
>


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Here is something that shows the various crimes & crime rate. You will see that 2000 had a murder rate of 5.5 per 100,000 the lowest since 1965, violent crime was the lowest in 2000 since 1978, property crime the lowest in 2000 since 1972, robbery the lowest in 2000 since 1968, burglary the lowest in 2000 since 66, assault the lowest in 2000 since 1986, rape the lowest in 2000 since 1978, larcenty the lowest in 2000 since 1973 veichle theft the lowest in 2000 since 1968, & the overall crime index the lowest in 2000 since 1972, all with sharp drops during the 90's from about 93 onward.

http://www.prcdc.org/summaries/poverty/poverty.html

Shows the poverty rate in the U.S. 2000 had a 22 year low for poverty rate & one of the lowest poverty rates in the 40+ years this survey covers, the poverty rate showed a rather significant decline from 93 through 2000.


A bit off topic, but this goes to show where the real impact of crime & violence come from, POVERTY, not the music or the tv or movies,considering the fact that crime rates (of all types of crimes) declinded rapidly thoughout much of the 90's, & poverty rates declined rapidly as well. Crime rates (of all types of crimes) reahed its lowest levels in decades in 2000, at a time where poverty was at its lowest level in decades. All this during a time where more & more violent content was seen through music & the movies.

 

[cabradio]

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