Has 92.3 K-Rock fired Rover?

[Rusty Muck]

Maybe its just me but the potential idea of WMMS being all talk would be sad in my eyes. I understand its a business and if whats on now isn't working they need a reboot, but think about it this is supposed to be "The Rock Capitol of the World", and 'MMS was a huge part of making it that way..

Similar to WMMS' ancient sister station, WNEW. They too went all-talk ten years ago, but the "102.7 WNEW" branding remained. But for listeners, it wasn't the same after that. WMMS really needed to be rebooted back in 1998. Jacor aborted "100.7 KISS FM" at the last minute, but Greg Aschum was right on back then.

To paraphrase Greg, the call letters were tarnished, the heritage - and NextGen - personalities had all left, the reputation was burnt, there was nothing left. They tried to find a pulse... it wasn't there.

-nate81 aka Myron-

 

[kentuckymedia]

ALSO you must remember that Clear Channel Cleveland has lost millions in revenue in the last couple of years. I dont mean a couple million...I mean MILLIONS!

Where did you come up with this information? CC is a publicly traded company and earnings figures are readily available (and there are huge criminal and civil penalties if they falsify them). Their 2007 net income was $938.5 Million... just a few mil short of a BILLION dollars. Not bad for a company you think is circling the drain!

If you don't beleive me, go here for their complete financials http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx?PressReleaseID=2133

I just want to say that this information is from their overall corporate portfolio. Meaning the entire country and the some odd 900 radio stations that produced that number.

The loss at Oak Tree is substantial in the fact that Cleveland's revenue share was up but CC Cleveland was down. Radio One was up, CBS was up..hell, even Rubber City was up. But CC Cleveland (the company with the biggest stations) was down!

 

[VODood]

Re: Bob & Tom. All contracts can be cancelled. There could be a penalty, but no contract is air tight.

But since B&T are a Premiere product, and Premiere is part of CC.. I doubt they'll be prematurely cancelled.


The alleged lineup

5-10 - Rover
10-3 - B&T
3-7 - Maxwell

Could work. And you can "localize" B&T with music. Especially on a delay. So WMMess could still be a "music station", just not 10 songs an hour.

Nights? No need to take nights talk. One, Sales doesn't even care about 7p-12m. 6a-7p is all that matters, regardless of night ratings.

So, nights could still be music intensive.

 

[jessejames44]

One question, for anyone keeping track...I tuned into WMMS tonight, and it seems the "no WMMS call letter" edict is gone. Have they started using the calls again?

-OA/OMW

My ol' friends also tell me that, yes, the call letters are back in the game.

As for Rover having a 31 share? I never paid attention to numbers much...but I was told that while I did mornings, I beat Rover a couple books in our demo. I don't think I had a 32 share...

 

[VODood]

One question, for anyone keeping track...I tuned into WMMS tonight, and it seems the "no WMMS call letter" edict is gone. Have they started using the calls again?

-OA/OMW

My ol' friends also tell me that, yes, the call letters are back in the game.

As for Rover having a 31 share? I never paid attention to numbers much...but I was told that while I did mornings, I beat Rover a couple books in our demo. I don't think I had a 32 share...

WMMS IS Cleveland. Those calls should always be used as long as WMMess is some sort of rock station.

In many cities call letters don't mean much, frequency is written down in diaries most often. Especially in the south.

But WMMS is different. EVERYONE knows those call letters.

 

[DToTheJ]

AA reported that the fine folks in the basement of Reserve Square, the one and only 19 Action News, did a story on this today...like your Mighty Blog(tm), they're reporting an April start date for Rover on 'MMS.

Here's video of the report:
http://www.woio.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?vendor=wss&qu=rover
(click the video titled, "Red Rover, Red Rover Send WMMS Right Over")

 

[DToTheJ]

Similar to WMMS' ancient sister station, WNEW. They too went all-talk ten years ago, but the "102.7 WNEW" branding remained. But for listeners, it wasn't the same after that.

Not to split hairs, but when WNEW dropped their rock format on September 13, 1999, they adopted the new moniker "FM Talk @ 102.7". They quickly reverted to using the "102.7 WNEW" positioner around New Year's Day 2000.

 

[Rusty Muck]

Re: Bob & Tom. All contracts can be cancelled. There could be a penalty, but no contract is air tight.

But since B&T are a Premiere product, and Premiere is part of CC.. I doubt they'll be prematurely cancelled.


The alleged lineup

5-10 - Rover
10-3 - B&T
3-7 - Maxwell

Could work. And you can "localize" B&T with music. Especially on a delay. So WMMess could still be a "music station", just not 10 songs an hour.

Nights? No need to take nights talk. One, Sales doesn't even care about 7p-12m. 6a-7p is all that matters, regardless of night ratings.

So, nights could still be music intensive.

I would agree on that. Tracking B&T into the midday shift wouldn't be that hard to do. Chances are they can just insertit will be just two or three songs per hours then- not as much commercial load in middays as opposed to mornings, so that's doable. And unless music is never played on Maxwell's show ever again, that's probably going to be the programming pattern for now, at least.

For now, the station is still referred to as "100.7" on the website. Just checked it out...

-nate81 aka Myron-

 

[Rusty Muck]

Similar to WMMS' ancient sister station, WNEW. They too went all-talk ten years ago, but the "102.7 WNEW" branding remained. But for listeners, it wasn't the same after that.

Not to split hairs, but when WNEW dropped their rock format on September 13, 1999, they adopted the new moniker "FM Talk @ 102.7". They quickly reverted to using the "102.7 WNEW" positioner around New Year's Day 2000.

No problem

-nate81 aka Myron-

 

[DToTheJ]

But since B&T are a Premiere product, and Premiere is part of CC.. I doubt they'll be prematurely cancelled.

And you can "localize" B&T with music. Especially on a delay. So WMMess could still be a "music station", just not 10 songs an hour.

Nights? No need to take nights talk. One, Sales doesn't even care about 7p-12m. 6a-7p is all that matters, regardless of night ratings.

The 6a-7p "talk that rocks" model is similar to that used by WYSP in Philadelphia during their "Free-FM" days - most of them, anyway...

And is there any possibility CC could actually put Bob & Tom on in evenings on delay tape?

 

[DToTheJ]

As for Rover having a 31 share? I never paid attention to numbers much...but I was told that while I did mornings, I beat Rover a couple books in our demo. I don't think I had a 32 share...

The only time I've seen a 30+ share was for the country station in Chattanooga.

 

[Rusty Muck]

For a station that's been through roughly 300 morning drive shows since "Brian and Joe" scooted over to 106.5, that's probably not hard to do.

Brian and Joe were in afternoon drive (albeit, still handling it like a morning show) for over 18 months before moving to WMVX. They had been scooted down there for the disaterous Liz Wilde experiment. The fact that B&J didn't move back to AMD, but the Danny Czekalinski/Darla Jaye/Cory Lingus team DID (the other WMMS morning show under NCI ownership) really said a lot...

-nate81 aka Myron-

 

[Rusty Muck]

But since B&T are a Premiere product, and Premiere is part of CC.. I doubt they'll be prematurely cancelled.

And you can "localize" B&T with music. Especially on a delay. So WMMess could still be a "music station", just not 10 songs an hour.

Nights? No need to take nights talk. One, Sales doesn't even care about 7p-12m. 6a-7p is all that matters, regardless of night ratings.

The 6a-7p "talk that rocks" model is similar to that used by WYSP in Philadelphia during their "Free-FM" days - most of them, anyway...

And is there any possibility CC could actually put Bob & Tom on in evenings on delay tape?

WWWE (now WTAM) did just that back around 1995, usually airing B&T from 8p-11p against Indians games.

-nate81 aka Myron-

 

[lingerlinger]

AA reported that the fine folks in the basement of Reserve Square, the one and only 19 Action News, did a story on this today...like your Mighty Blog(tm), they're reporting an April start date for Rover on 'MMS.

Here's video of the report:
http://www.woio.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?vendor=wss&qu=rover
(click the video titled, "Red Rover, Red Rover Send WMMS Right Over")

Well it is no surprise that 19 Action News are the one's reporting this story. Rover has ties to them as he used to do Browns pregame commentary from the parking lot of the stadium. I also suspect (this is just my speculation) that he obtained the photos of attempted murderer Asa Coon from someone there that were posted to his website. NOW: Onto the fun. So if Rover is going to WMMS this is going to be golden! First of all I have to admit I listened to every second of his show for the first year after Howard Stern quit CBS. Rover has bashed every DJ over at WMMS his entire career here in Cleveland. I will be interested in what he will have to say about Maxwell once they are both employed by the same company. The same goes for WTAM's Mike Trivasano. Also WMMS is located in Independance, Ohio (ok I am sure you all know that), but I want to see him have some guy take a sledge hammer to a car there or drop his pants and sit on a bucket of lit fireworks. Better yet I will give him credit if he can get away with someone driving through Independence on I77S doing 72MPH. Or possibly drive past the police station there not wearing a seatbelt and talking on a cell phone. Independence police are no joke, they have nothing better to do than write tickets and almost rival Linndale. So if the doggy is going to the Oak Tree Building he's in for some neutering. Also I have two words for Clear Channel: Free FM. It's been tried. Possibly if Rover's ratings numbers are what he claims they are he might be able to carry the station on his back. Then again for a half a million dollars I would volunteer to be locked in a jail cell with my ex wife, so I guess anything is possible. . .

 

[YEKIMI]

Independence police are tricycle riding, Depends wearing thumb suckers compared to Broadview Heights police on I-77. I don't know why they just don't move their police building to the middle median at the bottom of the dip before you head up the grade torwards Cleveland, I have driven through there several times and only twice have I never seen a Broadview Heights cruiser sitting there. If I was a Broadview resident, I'd be pretty damned p***ed off that they're sitting on the Interstate writing tickets instead of patrolling my neighborhood. as far as Rover goes; my hope would be that he gets pulled over for doing 2 MPH over the speed limit and Broadview Tasers him to death because he offered them a glazed donut that were missing the sprinkles on top.

 

[74WIXYGrad]

I-77 is one long speed trap between Independence and Richfield. But then again until you get to Pleasant Valley going north, it's only two lanes on each side and you have plenty of drivers who think they are driving the pace car, that's a non factor.

I would dare Dieter to give an accurate traffic report. Nah that would be asking too much from Clear Channel.

For Moose and Moose, serious shisters for frivilous lawsuits, I'm 74WIXYgrad.

 

[KING OF MITIWANGA!!!]

APRIL FOOLS DAY ROVER WILL BEGIN AT WMMS, RULING OUT 96.5 MOVING THERE. WITH LANIGAN'S CONTRACT RUNNING OUT CC WOULD BE SMART TO MOVE TRIV TO MORNINGS ON MAJIC & BRIAN & JOE TO PM DRIVE ON WTAM SINCE KISS WILL BE MOVING TO 1065. WHY WOULD CC WORRY ABOUT COMPETITION BETWEEN MMS & MJI? THEY OWN BOTH. 92.3 SHOULD GO FM TALK OR A WELL ROUNDED HOTSWING FORMAT.

 

[ilikecake]

Independence police are no joke, they have nothing better to do than write tickets and almost rival Linndale. So if the doggy is going to the Oak Tree Building he's in for some neutering.

When did radio become attached to which city its studios are located in? They can DRIVE to Cleveland (which is just a few minutes away) and do their stuff. Who says it has to be done in Independence? Actually they can do whatever anywhere in the country! And the listener doesn't have to know!

That's the beauty of radio!

 

[VODood]

AA reported that the fine folks in the basement of Reserve Square, the one and only 19 Action News, did a story on this today...like your Mighty Blog(tm), they're reporting an April start date for Rover on 'MMS.

Here's video of the report:
http://www.woio.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?vendor=wss&qu=rover
(click the video titled, "Red Rover, Red Rover Send WMMS Right Over")

Well it is no surprise that 19 Action News are the one's reporting this story. Rover has ties to them as he used to do Browns pregame commentary from the parking lot of the stadium. I also suspect (this is just my speculation) that he obtained the photos of attempted murderer Asa Coon from someone there that were posted to his website. NOW: Onto the fun. So if Rover is going to WMMS this is going to be golden! First of all I have to admit I listened to every second of his show for the first year after Howard Stern quit CBS. Rover has bashed every DJ over at WMMS his entire career here in Cleveland. I will be interested in what he will have to say about Maxwell once they are both employed by the same company. The same goes for WTAM's Mike Trivasano. Also WMMS is located in Independance, Ohio (ok I am sure you all know that), but I want to see him have some guy take a sledge hammer to a car there or drop his pants and sit on a bucket of lit fireworks. Better yet I will give him credit if he can get away with someone driving through Independence on I77S doing 72MPH. Or possibly drive past the police station there not wearing a seatbelt and talking on a cell phone. Independence police are no joke, they have nothing better to do than write tickets and almost rival Linndale. So if the doggy is going to the Oak Tree Building he's in for some neutering. Also I have two words for Clear Channel: Free FM. It's been tried. Possibly if Rover's ratings numbers are what he claims they are he might be able to carry the station on his back. Then again for a half a million dollars I would volunteer to be locked in a jail cell with my ex wife, so I guess anything is possible. . .

CBS tried FREE-FM. It failed. All of those stations are done.

FM Talk CAN work. CBS just didn't do it right.

$500k??? Where is that written?? I can't believe Shane (I refuse to call him "Rover") is getting "Lanigan money".

 

[Rusty Muck]

AA reported that the fine folks in the basement of Reserve Square, the one and only 19 Action News, did a story on this today...like your Mighty Blog(tm), they're reporting an April start date for Rover on 'MMS.

Here's video of the report:
http://www.woio.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?vendor=wss&qu=rover
(click the video titled, "Red Rover, Red Rover Send WMMS Right Over")

Well it is no surprise that 19 Action News are the one's reporting this story. Rover has ties to them as he used to do Browns pregame commentary from the parking lot of the stadium. I also suspect (this is just my speculation) that he obtained the photos of attempted murderer Asa Coon from someone there that were posted to his website. NOW: Onto the fun. So if Rover is going to WMMS this is going to be golden! First of all I have to admit I listened to every second of his show for the first year after Howard Stern quit CBS. Rover has bashed every DJ over at WMMS his entire career here in Cleveland. I will be interested in what he will have to say about Maxwell once they are both employed by the same company. The same goes for WTAM's Mike Trivasano. Also WMMS is located in Independance, Ohio (ok I am sure you all know that), but I want to see him have some guy take a sledge hammer to a car there or drop his pants and sit on a bucket of lit fireworks. Better yet I will give him credit if he can get away with someone driving through Independence on I77S doing 72MPH. Or possibly drive past the police station there not wearing a seatbelt and talking on a cell phone. Independence police are no joke, they have nothing better to do than write tickets and almost rival Linndale. So if the doggy is going to the Oak Tree Building he's in for some neutering. Also I have two words for Clear Channel: Free FM. It's been tried. Possibly if Rover's ratings numbers are what he claims they are he might be able to carry the station on his back. Then again for a half a million dollars I would volunteer to be locked in a jail cell with my ex wife, so I guess anything is possible. . .

CBS tried FREE-FM. It failed. All of those stations are done.

FM Talk CAN work. CBS just didn't do it right.

$500k??? Where is that written?? I can't believe Shane (I refuse to call him "Rover") is getting "Lanigan money".

Free FM was a failure right from the second they announced the branding. Placing DLR as one of their morning hosts, stripping most of the stations of heritage and branding (all but KLSX in Los Angeles have reverted back), and posturing as saying they could survive Stern's departure was an exercise in ineptitue. Joel Hollander will forever be tainted with that move.

I guess in order for WMMS to save itself, it has to be programmed with a majority of talk programming. And the spoken word format CAN work - either in a "hot talk" sense, or the WPGB conservatalk sense. But CBS' botchery of the format (ex: WJFK-FM, which has had on their lineup hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Jay Severin and Bill O' Reilly - totally incompatible to a hot talk format - over the past fifteen years!) has given a sense that it can't work. Hot talk CAN. Just don't hire Joel Hollander.

-nate81 aka Myron-

P.S.: I doubt that Rover will, say, "kiss up" to Maxwell and Triv, seeing as how they are no longer competitors but collegues. If anything, those three will be trade barbs at each other on the air to fuel a "rivalry," blah blah. Stop if you've heard that before.