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Have John and Ken gone too far?

nmoore6676 said:
From the LA times: "Groups want 'John and Ken' show off the air"

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-adv-john-and-ken-20110930,0,6290281.story

I think that in giving out a cell phone number they want too far. Office numbers and e-mail is one thing but personal phone numbers are quite another.
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I may not agree with their viewpoint, but I think they have every right to say it. Regardless, they crossed a line, and there should be action taken here to prevent this from happening again, but I don't think they should lose their jobs over this. I hope that reasonable listeners realize they crossed a line and maybe they lose some listeners over this, but I feel like this sort of 'extremist' talk radio seeks the lowest common denominator- people who act first, then think.
 
A cell phone is not necessarily a personal phone. Could very well be - and likely is - paid for by the organization Mr. Carbrera represents. Giving out a phone number or email address is hardly a new tactic and in fact is one that's been used thousands of times before for all kinds of issues from all sorts of points of view.... It may even be possible that the group complaining about John and Ken have used the tactic once or twice before...

Take a deep breath everybody. This is a democracy. Oh wait, this is California...probably not.
 
Convenient that the L.A. Times neglected to report that the phone number John & Ken gave out was on Mr. Carbrera's very own public press release.
 
Robnoxious said:
Convenient that the L.A. Times neglected to report that the phone number John & Ken gave out was on Mr. Carbrera's very own public press release.
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Actually, press releases aren't public hence the term "press" release. The contact info part of the release is typically not intended for public dissemination for exactly the reason demonstrated by the unnecessary release by KFI. Releasing info for a publicist, company press officer, agency, etc. is not considered normal and in this case, completely irresponsible. Then again, "responsible" is not a word that springs to mind when discussing John and Ken.
 
J&K did say that the contact info did not specify that the one of the contact numbers was a personal cell phone number and once Cabrera brought that to KFI's attention they did scrub the podcast archive of the number and Cabrera's own organization has subsequently made changes in their contact information and what numbers they release to the press.

That notwithstanding, the question of responsibility in releasing the number is a valid one. The LA Times however, did slant the piece in such a way as to imply J&K just simply blasted the phone numbers over the air for purely nefarious means which is also far from responsible journalism as well. But that's why the LA Times isn't even worth wrapping fish in.
 
Hopefully, people will stand up against these A-holes and pull them off the air. I'm sick and tired of people pulling the "illegals" card to hide their racist agenda. America has never or never will be a white America. Get over it, whitey.
 
>>and pull them off the air

"If a conservative doesn't like a show he changes the channel. If a liberal doesn't he demands it be pulled
off the air. "(Well, not always, but...) I'm against criminaliens --terrorists, drunk drivers (one killed the director of A Christmas Story and his son), etc. It's not a matter of color or ethnicity--illegals are ILLEGAL
(to begin with, and it makes it worse when they're criminals) and John & Ken and other hosts are expressing their opinions about it.

Liberal tolerance: at a rally, Michael Moore gave out the home number of Lars Larson and invited the
people at the rally to harrass Larson and his wife--and they did, to an extreme (threatened his wife with murder). (So maybe they did kinda go far, you may say). This was reported in the book Censorship: The Threat to Silence Talk
Radio by Brian Jennings, who worked with Larson.
 
raccoonradio said:
>>and pull them off the air

"If a conservative doesn't like a show he changes the channel. If a liberal doesn't he demands it be pulled
off the air. "(Well, not always, but...) I'm against criminaliens --terrorists, drunk drivers (one killed the director of A Christmas Story and his son), etc. It's not a matter of color or ethnicity--illegals are ILLEGAL
(to begin with, and it makes it worse when they're criminals) and John & Ken and other hosts are expressing their opinions about it.

Liberal tolerance: at a rally, Michael Moore gave out the home number of Lars Larson and invited the
people at the rally to harrass Larson and his wife--and they did, to an extreme (threatened his wife with murder). (So maybe they did kinda go far, you may say). This was reported in the book Censorship: The Threat to Silence Talk
Radio by Brian Jennings, who worked with Larson.
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Considering the Michael Moore has had his life threatened by hundreds more than Lars Larson ever has then I don't think you have much to complain about in this case.
 
radio1015a said:
Actually, press releases aren't public hence the term "press" release. The contact info part of the release is typically not intended for public dissemination for exactly the reason demonstrated by the unnecessary release by KFI.
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That's just an inaccurate and disingenuous statement today. Press releases are almost always put on the originating organization's website, as well as the PR company site, if one exists. One can subscribe to releases of companies and entities they follow, or have google notifications sent.

If an entity does not want the general public to get certain information, they should never put it in a press release.
 
Not to mention that CC pulled the number from the KFI site too - I don't think that they had any reason to believe that the number in question wasn't public in the first place, very few press releases include private phone numbers: I bet the show's producers didn't bother looking up phone numbers for the on-air piece because they had them right in front of them already.
 
Some of these organizations are a P O BOX, a prepaid cell phone, and a press release. I have an toll free number going into my cellphone, so even if someone tries to block the caller ID, it still comes across on the phone. The LA Times and J & K have always had a conflict, they both feed off the controversy. After Glen Beck left FOX and Lee Rodgers in SF KSFO left under strained circumstances, groups think that the radio personalities are in a weak state. Advertisers are hard to come by, with the net offering a good alternative. People know about J K but they still go on the show. Bill Handel said once about J & K: "I don't know how they get people to go on the show." Good producers? They probably will get more listners out of this. The station can help get the guy another cellphone number and that will be it.
 
Of course the big winners in all of this are of course John and Ken.

As usual they played everyone like a fiddle, got good pub and made their target look like fools (again!) by turning their own gameplan against them while following the rules the whole time. Ashlock totally went to bat for them.

This stunt should put them in line for a quarterly bonus.

And the poster who said phone numbers on press releases are private and shouldn't be aired gets my vote for most ill-informed post ever. It is a PRESS release. you give information to the PRESS for the explicit purpose of having them disseminate it to the general public. The most basic of common sense tells you if you don't want the public to know it, don't put it in the press release.
 
Besides the LA Times, J & K seem to have a beef with Hugh Hewitt and Michael Reagan, or visa versa. Those people like the situation because they have or had no ratings and even a slight reference to them helps boost their relevance. Savage used to call J & K "frick and frack" when they were on in the Bay Area. Oh and let's not forget John Zigler (although many would like too) and his sour grapes John and Ken kick he went on a few years go.

A flea on the rear end of an elephant can be relevant.

While not being an attorney, the damages for a private phone line being swamped with angry calls is probably not much anyway, maybe $1000 if even that.
 
radio1015a said:
Robnoxious said:
Convenient that the L.A. Times neglected to report that the phone number John & Ken gave out was on Mr. Carbrera's very own public press release.
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Actually, press releases aren't public hence the term "press" release. The contact info part of the release is typically not intended for public dissemination for exactly the reason demonstrated by the unnecessary release by KFI. Releasing info for a publicist, company press officer, agency, etc. is not considered normal and in this case, completely irresponsible. Then again, "responsible" is not a word that springs to mind when discussing John and Ken.
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You are wrong and don't know what the hell you're talking about. Unless a phone number is marked "private." it is fair game to be given out. A press release is a glorified newspaper article.

And if it was so bad he could have changed the phone number.
 
Actually Raccoon, and I know you from the Boston board an your nonstop defense of right wing talkers like Gerry Callahan at WEEI, you have it wrong well actually Mr. Jennings & Mr. Larson have it wrong.
Moore did NOT give out Larson's phone number but rather he was given the phone number of Larson, he made a call to it, when an answering machine came on he informed the crowd that they received the machine and put the phone on speaker at which time the outgoing message of Mr. Larsons gave out the number as is customary on MANY people's answering machines.
That Jennings, who you even admitted "worked with Larson" distorted the facts to get the reaction he wanted is not shocking at all but really why let the truth & facts get in the way of a good story eh?


raccoonradio said:
>>and pull them off the air

"If a conservative doesn't like a show he changes the channel. If a liberal doesn't he demands it be pulled
off the air. "(Well, not always, but...) I'm against criminaliens --terrorists, drunk drivers (one killed the director of A Christmas Story and his son), etc. It's not a matter of color or ethnicity--illegals are ILLEGAL
(to begin with, and it makes it worse when they're criminals) and John & Ken and other hosts are expressing their opinions about it.

Liberal tolerance: at a rally, Michael Moore gave out the home number of Lars Larson and invited the
people at the rally to harrass Larson and his wife--and they did, to an extreme (threatened his wife with murder). (So maybe they did kinda go far, you may say). This was reported in the book Censorship: The Threat to Silence Talk
Radio by Brian Jennings, who worked with Larson.
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J & K's marketing is the "indignant everyman" - so people are talking about them, as posters point out, they are winning. I like the way Hugh Hewitt, who thinks his highly educated "smart guys" show, with fly speck ratings, always knocks the "low-brow" J & K show. The damages of a swamped personal phone are nothing compared to all this free advertising.
 
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