HD in NYC wheres the rock? and no Hd am?

[Ozman]

I just got my HD radio tuner and here in sounthern fairfield county I get many nyc station some like WPLJ with HD 3... Cool! one problem with all these HD-2 & now Hd-3 channels wheres the rock? I get two country stations but no rock. I got the whole HD radio tuner so I could get 92.3 Hd-2 free fm isn't even transmitting in HD anyone know why that is???
another thing I noticed Is I could not get one station in HD am... I thought WCBS-am was in HD
I use the sangean HD-1 tuner
thoughts comments?
thanks
-OZ

 

[Walter Graff]

HD is dead. Get Sirius. Over a dozen rock channels, some playing great rock you'd never hear on terrestrial radio and all the great DJs that made NY a great rock town when radio mattered.

 

[LinoNYC]

When are you listening for the AM stations? They sign-off IBOC at sunset although they may be getting 24hr authorization soon....maybe.

Both AM and FM IBOC transmissions have been sporatic, stations seem to be treating this as an experiment. For instance, two weeks ago WNYC-am had iboc on for the first time in a year, for some reason WABC turned theirs off that week. WADO was iboc untill early this year. Two smaller AMs; WPAT and WZRC seem to have discontinued iboc service over a year ago. WCBS-am had theirs off for several months, only WOR, and WFAN have been consistant.

The FMs are no better, I listen to WNYC-fm's HD3 for a simulcast of their AM fare, but it and all digital are sometimes off, it's not a reception issue.

I guess that these stations figure that with probably only a few hundred iboc radios in their service area, it is not a high priority.

Lino

 

[Ozman]

I do have sirius and I am sorry, from my perspective Hd radio blows my mind on how much better it sounds.
Sirirus allthough very good music wise I can't stand the sound quality or the fact that its repetitve on what they play in rotation sometimes or the signal cutting out

well theres my opinion
~OZ

HD is dead. Get Sirius. Over a dozen rock channels, some playing great rock you'd never hear on terrestrial radio and all the great DJs that made NY a great rock town when radio mattered.

 

[pbf1]

Re: HD in NYC wheres the rock?

104.3

 

[Ozman]

When are you listening for the AM stations? They sign-off IBOC at sunset although they may be getting 24hr authorization soon....maybe.

yeah it works works during the day with 880 sounds almost like regular am radio tho...
thanks

 

[Ozman]

Re: HD in NYC wheres the rock?

104.3

their signal kicks ass in HD here in CT unfortunately, its all classic rock.

 

[TowerBuzz]

I cant believe you bought one of those things, "Oz" HD radio is about as big a phenomenon as the mini disc.

 

[calguy]

I cant believe you bought one of those things, "Oz" HD radio is about as big a phenomenon as the mini disc.

HD can still work. If the receivers get cheap enough or even better, radios that get all the bands become common it can succeed.
However, if everyone thinks that it's dead already, it will be. Stations are saturated with spots for HD, so hopefully it can grow enough
to actually make a difference. Personally I don't mind paying a little more for a receiver if the programming is free. The problem is that most companies are treating their 2nd and 3rd HD channels the way companies treated FM in the 50's & 60's, like some piece of automation run out of a closet. I think that if enough HD Radios are sold it will force programmers to devote more quality time and programming to their channels, and then, just maybe, it could work...

 

[Walter Graff]

I do have sirius and I am sorry, from my perspective Hd radio blows my mind on how much better it sounds.
Sirirus allthough very good music wise I can't stand the sound quality or the fact that its repetitve on what they play in rotation sometimes or the signal cutting out

well theres my opinion
~OZ

Problem is more the FM transmitter in your receiver, than the source. I found that with many of the receivers using the RCA cables gives you a far better sound than the narrow band FM transmitter they use. Give it a try. Loosing the signal? Have you a first generation receiver. Hey now buffer quite a bit so loosing a signal is less likely to happen. I know I can now listen all the way through the Lincoln tunnel. As for song rotation, many of the rock channels are pretty well rotated. Some of the niche channels like 70's seem to repeat if you listen long enough. But for my tastes satellite has killed terrestrial. I know my friends at clear channel are trying real hard to combat it but with the choice and selection it's a tough sell for me to want to listen to old style radio anymore. I'm not alone.

 

[rapking]

Hip Hop is the new Rock !

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

HD can still work. If the receivers get cheap enough or even better, radios that get all the bands become common it can succeed.
However, if everyone thinks that it's dead already, it will be. Stations are saturated with spots for HD, so hopefully it can grow enough
to actually make a difference. Personally I don't mind paying a little more for a receiver if the programming is free. The problem is that most companies are treating their 2nd and 3rd HD channels the way companies treated FM in the 50's & 60's, like some piece of automation run out of a closet. I think that if enough HD Radios are sold it will force programmers to devote more quality time and programming to their channels, and then, just maybe, it could work...

HD was DOA from the minute it was turned on. It suffers from indifference from the radio business (programming being done on the cheap with niche formats and no personalities), lack of proper promotion (the promos now running have given most listeners the impression that they already have HD without buying a new radio), an early generation of deaf receivers (they're getting better now, but first impressions are everything), the generation of interference on the AM band (which will skyrocket once AM stations start running it at night), a lack of an economic basis for multicasting on FM (doubling or tripling the number of FM stations available to listeners, without more listeners, makes no economic sense whatsoever), a lack of priority from broadcasters (HD signals are sometimes down for days, even weeks, with no attention being paid to them by station personnel) and finally the fact that young people abandoned radio long ago and HD gives them no reason to come back.

Low price points on receivers are irrelevant if there's no demand for the product.

 

[davideduardo]

When are you listening for the AM stations? They sign-off IBOC at sunset although they may be getting 24hr authorization soon....maybe.

Night AM HD was uthorized a month ago.

 

[TowerBuzz]

Hip Hop is the new Rock !

Amen King. That is as real as it gets!

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Night AM HD was authorized a month ago.

Not quite. The Report and Order permitting nighttime HD operation was issued, but so far there are no rules under which it can operate. Once the rules are written and go through the regular rule-making process, they become effective (usually) 30 days after publication in the Federal Register.

 

[Ozman]

I just wanted to hear the name k-rock again on their hd-2 channel but i guess I am not gonna get my wish. Its hard when you grow up with it through your teenage years with the name and you don't hear it anymore. i am sure a few of you had the same thing happen when WNEW went off the air.

do any of you guys know if or when 92.3 will turn on their HD?
BTW: MD player's kick ass for running a radio station with station liners id's psa announcements, promo's ETC

I cant believe you bought one of those things, "Oz" HD radio is about as big a phenomenon as the mini disc.

 

[mock3]

BTW: MD player's kick ass for running a radio station with station liners id's psa announcements, promo's ETC

we all use computers now. no need for any other audio storage/playback system.

 

[TowerBuzz]

BTW: MD player's kick ass for running a radio station with station liners id's psa announcements, promo's ETC

we all use computers now. no need for any other audio storage/playback system.

tell that to the throngs of people above the age of say 40, or Ill even give you 50!. Not everyone is a gadget savvy technofphlie as you would like to think. Many in the 25-54 demo would not even know hot to burn a CDif they ahd to.

Now back to the HD debate, it's a typical corporate radio mis-fire, as Oz is probably finding out now, a lot of the stations/companies have not even signed on/set up their HD streams yet because they have no one to program and man them. You have your PD's your MD's who are already programming internet streams for no extra money, now you tell them " You're programming our four hd channels too", aside from there not being enough hours in the day for a lot of that work, nobody is getting any extra $$$ and the unions have made it impossible for most stations to even have jocks on their internet stream stations if they differ from their main signal programming.

So that's the problem in a nutshell.

 

[Ozman]

agreed,
Us college kids in VT were broke, our college can't afford to do that!
... thats also why maybe people love us who knows....
we run our shows maily on cd's and players like itunes ipods etc..

theres my rant
-OZ

BTW: MD player's kick ass for running a radio station with station liners id's psa announcements, promo's ETC

we all use computers now. no need for any other audio storage/playback system.

tell that to the throngs of people above the age of say 40, or Ill even give you 50!. Not everyone is a gadget savvy technofphlie as you would like to think. Many in the 25-54 demo would not even know hot to burn a CDif they ahd to.

Now back to the HD debate, it's a typical corporate radio mis-fire, as Oz is probably finding out now, a lot of the stations/companies have not even signed on/set up their HD streams yet because they have no one to program and man them. You have your PD's your MD's who are already programming internet streams for no extra money, now you tell them " You're programming our four hd channels too", aside from there not being enough hours in the day for a lot of that work, nobody is getting any extra $$$ and the unions have made it impossible for most stations to even have jocks on their internet stream stations if they differ from their main signal programming.

So that's the problem in a nutshell.

 

[calstymes]

TowerBuzz proclaimed:

nobody is getting any extra $$$ and the unions have made it impossible for most stations to even have jocks on their internet stream stations if they differ from their main signal programming.

If FM radio stations could sell a separate inventory of commercials on these HD-# channels and earn some money then maybe they would commit some resources to them. Don't blame the unions for the fact that FM radio stations just don't want to spend any money on these HD-# channels yet. If they really wanted to hire personnel to broadcast "live", they would be able to... unions notwithstanding.