"HD Radio - two years later"

[PocketRadio]

Anyway, I, too, was at Best Buy with my son recently. He asked the salesguy to see an HD radio. Before we were shown the unit, he warned us there was only a slim chance we would be able to listen to any station in digital. Sure enough.....nothing. How many people will buy something they can't test out first?

"THAT HD RADIO THING"

"But sales of HD radios have been slow, and there continue to be anecdotal reports from folks shopping in the large electronic stores who say that even the clerks don't know what HD radio is. So there's still no guarantee that HD radio will last any longer than AM stereo."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=625146

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I'm sure Pocket own's several radios, just not the HD radios you are here to promote.

I doubt RF is here to promote HD radios. Again your bias leaks through. He speaks of experience and you speak of Dogma.

Again YOUR bias leaks through, and your dogma regarding RF Burns experiance as the only acceptable experiance. Since RF Burns' posts here clearly promote HD radio technology, reception, and radios, and his over zelous endorsement of the system and equipment, with total disregard to HD radio's false claims and deficiencies, it is reasonable to assume RF is here to promote his (and possibly his employer's) agenda.

Why should Pocket or anyone buy HD radios when HD radio buyers are unhappy, reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products, and even dealers can't get them to work satisfactorily.

You claim
No, very many claim, not only me.

reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products,

How about a reality check. Every positive link here is labeled a "Shill Piece" or has an agenda unless YOU agree with it. I do NOT believe "reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products". You only reach this decision when you dismiss all positive information (Including the FCC rules) as a "Carne Shill".

Your "Universal Pan" is just a false claim.

And if you don't like HD and don't want to buy an HD radio then DON'T...

But if you never owned one, Don't understand one and just repeat crap from sources like the East Bay Express you are... just opinionated.. Nothing more.

Clouseau

When a "review" is just a regurgitation of an HD cartel press release or a rewrite from the "HD radio Playbook" it should be clearly "labeled a 'Shill Piece' or has an agenda". There is your "reality check"

Fortunately most people have the capacity to learn from others negative experiences with HD radio, and can be educated and wise enough to avoid buying into this defective HD radio technology and equipment. Most people have wisdom enough to know that they don't have to buy a Yugo (or HD radio) to know either is an inferior, deficient product.

 

[clouseau]

Again YOUR bias leaks through, and your dogma regarding RF Burns experiance as the only acceptable experiance.

I don't think his experience is the only "acceptable" experience. However I do think his experience is valid. Apparently YOU DON'T. There are multitudes of experience with the product now. Some Bad, Some good. I know there are a lot of of people who enjoy their HD radio. They post here in the HD radio "Jaws of Hell" about their experiences. Mike reports 60+ miles on FM with a rooftop antenna. I am little under 20 with the wire off the back of the Accurian. Steve in NOLA posted about 60 Miles +... 80 on AM. There's some bad ones also. Deaf Receptors. Isoloated instances of no signal in areas where towers are close by. Stations with Analog and digital not properly time aligned or HD-2's & 3's throwing off massive Dead air. The bad reports on AM include everything up to 3rd adjacent splatter, lack of sensitivity and elimination of DX.

I tend to look at things a little more analytically. Like WHY is there a particular problem. Like dead Receptors. Answer - Build the radios correctly. Bad reception nearby - HD on? Metal Building? Don't know. Bad Digital/Analog synch? Align it properly. On AM I see very limited places where 2nd adjacents cause issues. There have been NUMEROUS cases posted here and virtually all of them involve very long distances relative to coverage area. Lack of sensitivity. Improve the radio and have a reasonable expectation for AM radio performance in 2007. And DX. Well I love to DX, but they DID deny the renewal on that 750 KW Transmitter. The elimination of DX has been coming for a while.

My point here is I accept there are issues and I believe they can be corrected or mitigated. I also see the system as it sits right now works very well for a hefty percentage of the population. That is... If I want it, I buy it. If I buy it and I like it, I'll keep it. If I don't want it I don't care about it.

You don't seem to acknowledge that even here on this board, the Pros and cons run about even. Just how many "Carny Shills" do you think there are? And how do you explain these folks that like the product? Do you accept THEIR opinion?

Since RF Burns' posts here clearly promote HD radio technology, reception, and radios, and his over zelous endorsement of the system and equipment, with total disregard to HD radio's false claims and deficiencies, it is reasonable to assume RF is here to promote his (and possibly his employer's) agenda.

Are you saying that because someone owns the technology (A radio) and likes it and says "It's great, you ought to try it" makes him an "Overzealous endorser?" Or is it because they work in the business?

You claim
No, very many claim, not only me.

reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products,

...
When a "review" is just a regurgitation of an HD cartel press release or a rewrite from the "HD radio Playbook" it should be clearly "labeled a 'Shill Piece' or has an agenda".

Ok let me see if I get this.

1)The radio business has a product to sell.

2)The Radio Business put together a list of the positives of their product.

3)Anyone using any of those positives in any writing is "rewriting the playbook" and therefore their work is a "shill piece".

You know, YOUR RIGHT. If we label everything written which includes anything listed in the HD playbook (Whether the author read it or not) and label the article a "Shill Piece" and not worthy of being classified a review.....

HD radio "IS" universally panned.

Shocking. IF you remove the positive reviews, HD radio is universally panned.

And remember, those that like it don't count. Who's really got the agenda here?

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I'm sure Pocket own's several radios, just not the HD radios you are here to promote.

I doubt RF is here to promote HD radios. Again your bias leaks through. He speaks of experience and you speak of Dogma.
I refer to, document and post about HD radio experiances, and the gross misrepresentation (ultra-hype) that HD cartel uses to promote their problematic HD system and equipment. Not dogma.

Why should Pocket or anyone buy HD radios when HD radio buyers are unhappy, reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products, and even dealers can't get them to work satisfactorily.

You claim

reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products,

How about a reality check. Every positive link here is labeled a "Shill Piece" or has an agenda unless YOU agree with it. I do NOT believe "reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products". You only reach this decision when you dismiss all positive information (Including the FCC rules) as a "Carne Shill".

Your "Universal Pan" is just a false claim.
No, your statement above "is just a false claim."
Read what I actually said again, not your incomplete, out of context mis-quote. Try checking your own reality.

And if you don't like HD and don't want to buy an HD radio then DON'T...
Thanks for your permission not to buy an HD radio. I'll take you up on your offer, and won't buy one.

But if you never owned one, Don't understand one and just repeat crap from sources like the East Bay Express you are... just opinionated.. Nothing more.

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I'm sure Pocket own's several radios, just not the HD radios you are here to promote.

I doubt RF is here to promote HD radios. Again your bias leaks through. He speaks of experience and you speak of Dogma.
I refer to, document and post about HD radio experiances, and the gross misrepresentation (ultra-hype) that HD cartel uses to promote their problematic HD system and equipment. Not dogma.

Why should Pocket or anyone buy HD radios when HD radio buyers are unhappy, reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products, and even dealers can't get them to work satisfactorily.

You claim

reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products,

How about a reality check. Every positive link here is labeled a "Shill Piece" or has an agenda unless YOU agree with it. I do NOT believe "reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products". You only reach this decision when you dismiss all positive information (Including the FCC rules) as a "Carne Shill".

Your "Universal Pan" is just a false claim.
No, your statement above "is just a false claim."
Read what I actually said again, not your incomplete, out of context mis-quote. Try checking your own reality.

And if you don't like HD and don't want to buy an HD radio then DON'T...
Thanks for your permission not to buy an HD radio. I'll take you up on your offer, and won't buy one.

But if you never owned one, Don't understand one and just repeat crap from sources like the East Bay Express you are... just opinionated.. Nothing more.

Clouseau

Since I no longer can modify, here is "the rest of the story":

I'm sure Pocket own's several radios, just not the HD radios you are here to promote.

I doubt RF is here to promote HD radios. Again your bias leaks through. He speaks of experience and you speak of Dogma.
I refer to, document and post about HD radio experiences, and the gross misrepresentation (ultra-hype) that HD cartel uses to promote their problematic HD system and equipment. Not dogma.

Why should Pocket or anyone buy HD radios when HD radio buyers are unhappy, reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products, and even dealers can't get them to work satisfactorily.

You claim

reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products,

How about a reality check. Every positive link here is labeled a "Shill Piece" or has an agenda unless YOU agree with it. I do NOT believe "reviewers almost universally pan the HD technology and the HD products". You only reach this decision when you dismiss all positive information (Including the FCC rules) as a "Carne Shill".

A rewrite of promoter's promotional literature or their press release, misrepresented as an unbiased review, could certainly be defined as a "shill piece".
What positive information or FCC rules are you claiming I dismiss?
Your "information" has to be factual to be information, HD promotional hype does not pass the "smell test".

Your "Universal Pan" is just a false claim.
No, your statement above "is just a false claim."
Read what I actually said again, not your incomplete, out of context mis-quote. Try checking your own reality.

And if you don't like HD and don't want to buy an HD radio then DON'T...
Thanks for your permission and generous offer not to buy an HD radio. I'll take you up on your offer, and won't buy one.

But if you never owned one, Don't understand one and just repeat crap from sources like the East Bay Express you are... just opinionated.. Nothing more.
The fact that you make the unsupported claim that anything negative about HD radio must be "repeat crap" demonstrates you are the one who is "opinionated", not me.

Clouseau

 

[SUPERCASTER]

cleauseau said:

Are you saying that because someone owns the technology (A radio) and likes it and says "It's great, you ought to try it" makes him an "Overzealous endorser?" Or is it because they work in the business?

How do you know exactly which posters on this site "work in the business"?
You assume only HD radio promoters are allowed to "work in the business"?
Obviously, you don't know anything.

 

[dbdigital]

Before all of our posts get thrown into the "Take it Outside" bin, I wanted to comment on an article in R&R entitled: Industry Experts Have Mixed Review On HD Radio.

Frank Flores who is associated with Spanish Broadcasting System said that "he is still concerned that there are so few receivers in the hands of listeners, and that it appears that it’ll be “seven or eight years” before HD Radio receivers are commonplace in automobiles. “I’m not totally sold on it”."

Frankly, I don't think HD-Radio has that kind of luxury of time to make an impact. There are too many other attractive ways to listen to content, the iPhone being the most significant at the moment. In 7 or 8 years even that will probably be passe and replaced with something even more amazing, easy to use and convenient.

But when you couple what is happening on the CE scene with studies like the one conducted by Edison Research which put terrestrial radio in 3rd place of importance among young listeners and it becomes clear that HD-Radio is a technology that is too little, too late.

It should have been rolled out seven or eight years earlier when terrestrial radio still mattered.

db

 

[clouseau]

I wanted to comment on an article in R&R entitled: Industry Experts Have Mixed Review On HD Radio.

Frank Flores who is associated with Spanish Broadcasting System said that "he is still concerned that there are so few receivers in the hands of listeners, and that it appears that it’ll be “seven or eight years” before HD Radio receivers are commonplace in automobiles. “I’m not totally sold on it”."

Frankly, I don't think HD-Radio has that kind of luxury of time to make an impact. There are too many other attractive ways to listen to content, the iPhone being the most significant at the moment. In 7 or 8 years even that will probably be passe and replaced with something even more amazing, easy to use and convenient.

But when you couple what is happening on the CE scene with studies like the one conducted by Edison Research which put terrestrial radio in 3rd place of importance among young listeners and it becomes clear that HD-Radio is a technology that is too little, too late.

It should have been rolled out seven or eight years earlier when terrestrial radio still mattered.

db

I tend to agree with this assessment. I have never insinuated "The entire broadcast community is behind HD". I think most owners are. And there are many individuals who don't care for it. Some of those individuals work in the industry. There's some legit concern with HD. I still believe that radio will "Recover" those younger listeners as their tastes change. Talk radio had 0.0% of my listening when I was young. Now it's a whole other story. I also used to have a stereo that cost more than my car. Tastes change. I believe radio will survive.

YMMV

Clouseau

 

[PocketRadio]

Frank Flores who is associated with Spanish Broadcasting System said that "he is still concerned that there are so few receivers in the hands of listeners, and that it appears that it’ll be “seven or eight years” before HD Radio receivers are commonplace in automobiles. “I’m not totally sold on it”."

db

Well, the Big 3 have rejected HD Radio, as it would cost them $600,000,000/year to install - they are not convinced HD Radio is s viable technology. Consumers are not one-bit sold on HD Radio, and poor reception would kill in-dash HD Radio, anyway.

 

[dbdigital]

I wanted to comment on an article in R&R entitled: Industry Experts Have Mixed Review On HD Radio.

Frank Flores who is associated with Spanish Broadcasting System said that "he is still concerned that there are so few receivers in the hands of listeners, and that it appears that it’ll be “seven or eight years” before HD Radio receivers are commonplace in automobiles. “I’m not totally sold on it”."

Frankly, I don't think HD-Radio has that kind of luxury of time to make an impact. There are too many other attractive ways to listen to content, the iPhone being the most significant at the moment. In 7 or 8 years even that will probably be passe and replaced with something even more amazing, easy to use and convenient.

But when you couple what is happening on the CE scene with studies like the one conducted by Edison Research which put terrestrial radio in 3rd place of importance among young listeners and it becomes clear that HD-Radio is a technology that is too little, too late.

It should have been rolled out seven or eight years earlier when terrestrial radio still mattered.

db

I believe radio will survive.

YMMV

Clouseau

Oh, I'm convinced radio will survive. But I think it will take different forms and be delivered in very different ways than what we now experience it as.

In fact, we may be on the verge of a renaissance for radio.

db

 

[Chuck]

Oh, I'm convinced radio will survive. But I think it will take different forms and be delivered in very different ways than what we now experience it as.

In fact, we may be on the verge of a renaissance for radio.

db

I think you are right. My best guess is it involves the Internet. I just came from a Chamber of Commerce meeting in Longview, TX. The topic was the introduction of a company called "Clearwire" into the market. They have a portable wireless Internet system that does just about everything anyone would want, including VOIP, streaming audio/video, email, surfing the web, or whatever. It's cheap, about the same price as AOL dial up. The whole city is set up for it right now. Just plug their modem into your computer and you're done. It works really well. Keep in mind that Longview, Texas is not the technology center of the universe, but this will be hot.

In a few years, this system will seem as antiquated as the buggy whip. I don't know what is coming, but I suspect that most broadcasters should remember that their real job is to provide content that people want to listen to. Just filling a frequency with noise will no longer cut it. Content will win. There will simply be too many outlets for programming for everyone to prosper by doing “what we’ve always done.” HD or not HD. It really won’t make much difference.