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Savage said:
You know. That kind of thing. The same role radio has played in natural disasters for about 80 years now.

This is one of radio's great strengths but it seems like more and more it's being pissed away by both giant corporate radio AND small mom-n-pop shoestring operations. A hurricane at least has plenty of warning so even the most sloth-like of operators can get something on the air ahead of time. Right now we're dealing with the outer bands of T.S. Lee and it's really affecting coastal Mississippi and Louisiana right now. I just checked the NWS page and there's a tornado warning for Harrison and Jackson Counties and the box overlaps both Ocean Springs and Biloxi a little. It seems like this would be the kind of thing a radio station might want to break into programming to alert listeners to, or at least a news and talk station. I checked some streams - nada. None of the CC stations on iheartradio are doing any kind of break-in. It's regular Saturday programming on the talk station. I doubt anyone is even there. The locally owned stuff like WPMO is off the bird too apparently. The rest either had expired web pages or don't stream or are too weak to hear out of state, so I can't say NONE of them are doing coverage, but I am 99% sure no one cares, not even the main TV station there (WLOX).
 
Zach, most stations streaming do not break into the stream with their EAS alerts. That feed goes over the air. One the other hand, if the stations are not covering local weather...tis a shame.
 
My experience through a number of very large and destructive hurricanes is that the LAST thing I was worried about before, during or after was a radio.

Before, I found myself getting prepared with things like water, fuel, food, a generator, etc.

During, I was hunkered down waiting for the storm to pass.

After, I was on the business end of a chainsaw to get out of my home and into the surrounding area, followed by several days of additional cleanup of the other assorted damage. By the time it was all said and done, the power was restored and I was finished working through the storm, so I then turned on the TV and watched the armchair version of the events.
 
noncomradio I guess you'd not be the person to ask then, but here goes… during the worst of hurricanes, do any of the radio or TV stations even manage to stay on air at all? I know that listening would be the last thing on some people's minds, but being the super nerd I am I can't help but think I'd be logging which stations were still on automation while the eye goes over, lol.

I live on the coast but this is my first year and first hurricane season. A while back I seem to recall several towers here in Alabama collapsed due to Hurricane Ivan, taking out most of the Mobile and Pensacola markets' radio and TV signals.
 
Zach said:
during the worst of hurricanes, do any of the radio or TV stations even manage to stay on air at all? I know that listening would be the last thing on some people's minds, but being the super nerd I am I can't help but think I'd be logging which stations were still on automation while the eye goes over, lol.

The finest example of not only staying on the air during one of the worst hurricanes ever was given by WWL in New Orleans. Knowing that the city lies below sea level, WWL stayed on and informed people about the dangers of the storm and flooding. Their transmitter site is hardened, with above-flood-level generators and transmitter buildings, ample stores of fuel and a tower rated for 180+ MPH winds. WWL ended up feeding a number of other stations that also stayed on the air and provided service even to New Orleans residents who had evacuated far from the city.

I've been through a number of Category 2 and 3 storms, including one that went right over my house. Like my neighbors, I had a radio on tuned to one of the news stations at all times.

Knowing that the prime destructive force of a hurricane is water, not wind, helps stations to provide information to keep people off bridges, flooded areas with dangerous currents, and advises them how to sanitize water, how long food remains safe and how areas where friends and family live may be doing in the storm. Most of the danger, if evacuation from unsafe areas is done, comes after the storm... and radio is really important in those cases.

Of course, when you have quite regularly 3 or 4 hurricanes or tropical storms approaching hurricane strength, a "hurricane preparedness kit" consists of a couple of cases of beer and plenty of unhealthy fried snacks.
 
Savage said:
What can radio stations say during a hurricane other than "stay indoors??"

Well, let's see. We could tell them about where the eye is and where it's headed.

I said "during the storm" which means while hurricane strength winds are over the location. Since any really dangerous storm is many score miles wide, a minor deviation in wind strength or course has no real impact. Unless you were stupid and did not heed an evacuation alert if one applied to your location, there is just about nothing you can do during a storm except pray the windows hold and the roof stays on... but once the winds go over 90 or 100 miles an hour, you can't evacuate, you can't do any further reinforcement or boarding up of buildings, and you can't go out to help others unless you want to be impaled by shards of what used to be the Exxon sign a half-mile away.

That's kinda important to know. We can remind them about safe hurricane behavior - staying away from windows and close to load-bearing walls, as examples.

Yeah, that takes about 30 seconds to say. What else?

We could take live calls on the air from listeners with eyewitness accounts - people are comforted hearing from those in like circumstances.

In every one of many hurricanes I have been through, we were asked by the authorities and the phone company to try to caution people not to overburden the phone system. Much of even solidly redundant systems is in peril in hurricanes due to water damage. Your advice is good for an earthquake but genuinely bad for a hurricane. People inside houses have no ability to judge a storm and no criteria to relate their experience to. It's, in fact, a dangerous idea and could spread panic.

Anyway, most hurricanes move in off the ocean, and diminish rapidly as they lose the fuel of warm ocean waters. Reports are not going to come from places where the storm has been until such time as the storm is already on top of most areas and when anything but staying put is a pretty bad idea.

We could get interviews from meteorologists including storm stats.

The meteorologists might just have better things to do. And the ones who know anything are in the Miami center, not in Pascagula or South Padre or Manatí.

We could inform people about emergency shelter locations if their homes are seriously flooded or damaged. We could update the status of the water supply and other utilities. I could go on...

And, pray tell, how would anyone get to a shelter during the storm? I'm reminded of the story told me by a well known gulf coast engineer about an insurance loss he was contracted to verify. The incident was the collapse of a tall tower during Camille (200 mph winds). His finding was that a cow had hit the tower above the 100 foot level and, combined with harmonic vibration from the storm, unusual vertical stress and such, the tower failed and went horizontal.

So you want people to look for shelters while the cows are flying at 200 feet. The shelter would be wise not to open its doors, as a change in pressure could pop its roof.

And after storms, in urban areas the broken glass and debris is such that you can't get very far on normal tires without puncturing them all... but that is the point where radio is most critical... during the recovery... because most people will have no water, little food and prone to taking risks that result in food poisoning, disease and death.

You know. That kind of thing. The same role radio has played in natural disasters for about 80 years now.

The things you suggest are anything but what you should do as a broadcaster during a storm. Of course, I guess you don't get many Hurricanes off Lake Ontario.
 
In case you missed it, David, Upstate New York was devastated last week by Irene. 43 dead and $6 billion in property damage. Our afternoon talk host's family is from Saranac Lake in the Adirondacks, and he relates that Albany and Catskills radio stations did excellent work (for the most part) with precisely the kind of broadcasts you deride here.
 
I have been in Florida while huuricanes are coming in. The radio (even those that do a TV simulcast) do an excelleent job with storm surge predictions, evacuations, evacuation routes, shelters. emergency preparations, etc.

After the storm, it is the recovery information.

During the storm...

I have also been at an EOC answering the phone. It seems that most of the calls were of the 'can you tell me what the status is of....'. And I didn't always know, but I would try my best to find out and give re-assurance.

So a radio station, during the storm, just really needs to be there. Hey, we are live human beings, and we are watching the weather/EOC/public information for you, and we are here for you. That is the important job of radio during the storm. May not be important what you say, just be there.
 
Zach said:
noncomradio I guess you'd not be the person to ask then, but here goes… during the worst of hurricanes, do any of the radio or TV stations even manage to stay on air at all? I know that listening would be the last thing on some people's minds, but being the super nerd I am I can't help but think I'd be logging which stations were still on automation while the eye goes over, lol.

I live on the coast but this is my first year and first hurricane season. A while back I seem to recall several towers here in Alabama collapsed due to Hurricane Ivan, taking out most of the Mobile and Pensacola markets' radio and TV signals.

The few times I have had the radio on, or someone else has nearby, then local stations stayed on air unless something took them out. A couple of our locals are automated, so they just kept playing their usual music rotation. No useful info.

Never watched TV during a storm.
 
Corporate broadcasting doesn't want radio & TV to be part of any kind of emergency information system. They'd be responsible for staffing, emergency power, etc. - all expenses, not assets. Emergency programming is usually commercial-free - once again, an expense.

If people identify with a personality, they're likely to be unhappy if that personality is cut from the station. So, even that becomes a liability.

Even if they haven't been successful cutting the words "public interest, convenience, and necessity" from broadcast law, they've certainly done their best to dilute them to the point where they're meaningless.

Fortunately, there are broadcasters out there who strive to provide information and comfort during weather (and other) emergencies. I've watched TV, and gone to battery-powered radio when power failed, during weather emergencies - floods, snowstorms, windstorms, and other major events. Anybody who wouldn't do that must have an appalling lack of curiousity about what areas are hardest hit, what damage is being done, what areas have services, and when services might be back on.
 
Savage said:
In case you missed it, David, Upstate New York was devastated last week by Irene. 43 dead and $6 billion in property damage. Our afternoon talk host's family is from Saranac Lake in the Adirondacks, and he relates that Albany and Catskills radio stations did excellent work (for the most part) with precisely the kind of broadcasts you deride here.

Irene was not a hurricane even when it approached New York City from the south.

What devastated Vermont and parts of New York state was rain. The rain and flooding in the aftermath of a storm has very different conditions than a hurricane. A rainstorm has no center, no eye, no steering currents (because a hurricane, once on land, loses its power source, the ocean waters warmed by spring and summer). One can get to higher ground in most cases, and travel is relatively safe since there are no projectiles traveling at 100 to 200 miles an hour.

It's really clear that you have not witnessed a hurricane, nor seen, over and over, how listeners need and deserve to be served by radio before, during and after one.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Corporate broadcasting doesn't want radio & TV to be part of any kind of emergency information system. They'd be responsible for staffing, emergency power, etc. - all expenses, not assets. Emergency programming is usually commercial-free - once again, an expense.

Tell that to WWL and see if they believe your point of view. Or ask CBS if the efforts during the storm were not warranted. Stations that have a news position will derive great benefit from enhanced storm and disaster coverage, while stations that have no business covering news shouldn't do it if they don't ally with "news experts" at a TV station or newspaper or news-focused station in the same cluster.
 
There were many tornado warnings during Irene and other hurricanes. If people have no power and no weather radio, how else are they going to find out about the tornado warnings?

During and after a hurricane, pretty much anyone with half a brain could do a good job covering the storm. If you can understand a weather radar, read the EAS printouts, know where to find information from the NHC, you can be valuable to the listeners. Most of the reports will come in via phone calls from the listeners, and all you need to do is air them. If listeners know you're reliable when there's a hurricane, they'll tune in when it snows in winter, etc.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Fortunately, there are broadcasters out there who strive to provide information and comfort during weather (and other) emergencies. I've watched TV, and gone to battery-powered radio when power failed, during weather emergencies - floods, snowstorms, windstorms, and other major events. Anybody who wouldn't do that must have an appalling lack of curiousity about what areas are hardest hit, what damage is being done, what areas have services, and when services might be back on.

Add "and help people out in the aftermath". One of radio's strengths during weather events where power and TV might be off is the ability to take calls and direct people to help where it's needed. I'll never forget the calls that came in to WERC in Birmingham after the great blizzard of '93 when the entire city was shutdown by several inches of snow (OK stop laughing you Yankees, we don't have plows!) It was call after call of "I have extra firewood I can give out" or "we've got [natural gas] here if neighbors need to take a shower."
 
Floridians were laughing at us for this small hurricane, Californians were laughing at us for the small earthquake, and we're laughing at the southerners for a small snowstorm.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Zach said:
during the worst of hurricanes, do any of the radio or TV stations even manage to stay on air at all? I know that listening would be the last thing on some people's minds, but being the super nerd I am I can't help but think I'd be logging which stations were still on automation while the eye goes over, lol.

The finest example of not only staying on the air during one of the worst hurricanes ever was given by WWL in New Orleans. Knowing that the city lies below sea level, WWL stayed on and informed people about the dangers of the storm and flooding. Their transmitter site is hardened, with above-flood-level generators and transmitter buildings, ample stores of fuel and a tower rated for 180+ MPH winds. WWL ended up feeding a number of other stations that also stayed on the air and provided service even to New Orleans residents who had evacuated far from the city.

I was able to pick up WWL here in MA weakly during that hurricane even though they were on reduced power.
 
Call me crazy. If things were flying by my boarded-up windows at 100 MPH, I'd kind of like to know if this was the worst of it, and how much longer this was going to last. Some timely reminders - like turning off the main breakers if power was out, or not wading through a flooded basement if power's not out, might be useful as well.

In times of stress, people forget simple things. In times of stress, people need a calm voice to help them create a plan for dealing with what's going on, and what may be coming next. David would apparently like to go back to the Conelrad system so most stations wouldn't need to have people on the air during disasters. That would save most corporations big money, and the Conelrad primaries would rake in a big ratings boost - even if they weren't putting commercials on during the storm.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Call me crazy. If things were flying by my boarded-up windows at 100 MPH, I'd kind of like to know if this was the worst of it, and how much longer this was going to last.

I think you are missing the enormity of a large hurricane. In one case, "the worst of it" took a full 12 hours to go over my home, with no measurable change in the way the storm felt. A storm that is 300 miles wide will have a "worst of it" zone that takes about 10 to 15 hours to move over a location. The only relief is the eye, if that goes right over you, and then you have an hour or so to go outside and see what has happened, have a beer with the neighbors, and then go inside for another 6 to 8 hours battened down.

Way before the storm hits, you know how big it is and how long it will take to pass. And you know that if it hits land, it will have the brakes put on the winds... enough land, and it dies.

Some timely reminders - like turning off the main breakers if power was out,

I've never seen that advice given, even in the hurricane instructions in the phone book in probably the most hurricane prone metro in the US. If your breaker is outside (as in a carport or a common area utility room in condos and apartments) you don't want to go out during the storm, and you don't want to pull it early or you lose TV, refrigeration, air conditioning, etc., that are key to preserving food, keeping informed and comfortable ahead of the storm.

In times of stress, people forget simple things. In times of stress, people need a calm voice to help them create a plan for dealing with what's going on, and what may be coming next.

That is exactly what I said. During the height of a hurricane, all you can say during the storm is "stay indoors." No additional protective measures can be taken once the worst of it starts hitting. In fact, it's hard to find anything to say during those long long hours... sort of like a sloooow baseball game where the color person resorts to droning on with statistics and anecdotes about players.

David would apparently like to go back to the Conelrad system so most stations wouldn't need to have people on the air during disasters. That would save most corporations big money, and the Conelrad primaries would rake in a big ratings boost - even if they weren't putting commercials on during the storm.

Actually, CONELRAD used multiple stations going on and off at low power on both 640 and 1240, so no one station got more than a few minutes at a time at any dial position. Nobody would get any ratings during CONELRAD due to the manner of feeding audio (no PPM encoding) and using multiple transmitters for short intervals.

CONELRAD was designed for one thing, nuclear attack, and was intended to keep the Russians from homing in on specific transmitters like happened with KGU at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. CONELRAD was not intended or ever used for other kinds of disasters. And, except for tests in the late 50's, CONELRAD was never activated.
 
Nick said:
ost of the reports will come in via phone calls from the listeners, and all you need to do is air them. If listeners know you're reliable when there's a hurricane, they'll tune in when it snows in winter, etc.

As mentioned, a major hurricane can take half a day to pass over a location, with essentially no change, There is a danger in having people looking out windows or going outside, so the best advice continues to be "stay indoors." There is very little listeners can provide during the many hours of the storm peak, and in general the civil defense authorities recommend minimizing phone usage.

Ground radar, if antennae are still left (they tend to go first) will not show much of use due to the storm density, and once the storm has begun, the general NHC data is of little use unless there is some way to prepare ex post facto.

As has been mentioned and expanded on, the biggest job is in the days prior to and the time after a hurricane.
 
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