HD4

[davideduardo]

I think this HD4 might be using a higher bitrate than WXNY's HD3, but I don't know if there's a way to get any of my HD radios to display the actual bitrate..

All 3 of the WXNY HD sub-channels (2 to 4) are around 24 kbs. Two are 24.7, one is 24.5.

 

[davideduardo]

Nash 94.7 is odd, because they have long had the HD4, but no HD2 or HD3. They briefly added a simulcast of WABC, but for some reason could not get its audio to sound decent.

I've noticed that HD3's and HD4's are often more difficult to receive than HD1 or HD2. Sometimes at my location only the latter will be received on certain stations. Perhaps this HD reception issue is leading some to believe that their receivers are not designed to pick up the higher channel(s).

The receiver picks up the data stream, which is divided into parts at the station's discretion. It is pretty much the same "pipe". However, empirical evidence shows that the HD4, which requires the extended hybrid mode, may be less robust than HD 2 or HD2 and HD3 only.

Here is a table of possible allocation examples.

HD-1 (MPS) HD-2 (SPS1) HD-3 (SPS2) HD-4 (SPS3) Mode
48 48 Hybrid – 96 kbps
64 32 Hybrid – 96 kbps
48 24 24 Hybrid – 96 kbps
48 48 24 Extended Hybrid – 120 kbps
64 32 24 Extended Hybrid – 120 kbps
48 24 24 24 Extended Hybrid – 120 kbps
32 32 32 24 Extended Hybrid – 120 kbps

(Source: iBiquity)

Keep in mind that the Listener Experience data occupies bandwidth, too.

 

[eyeconic]

so between wprb hd3 and wxny hd4 we are talking coverage to 5 of the most populated states (de/pa/nj/ny/ct) in the country, probably reaching 50 million listeners, not too shabby, more stations should do this bringing in hole formats to certain large areas woweeee that is a great tool. Would love to see WMID pull this off...

 

[kevtronics]

so between wprb hd3 and wxny hd4 we are talking coverage to 5 of the most populated states (de/pa/nj/ny/ct) in the country, probably reaching 50 million listeners, not too shabby, more stations should do this bringing in hole formats to certain large areas woweeee that is a great tool. Would love to see WMID pull this off...

But of those 50 million listeners, how many have an HD Radio, and know how to tune in the HD sub-channels? And are willing to put up with the constant dropouts in less than perfect reception areas?

 

[MarcB]

Here in Connecticut there are two HD4 stations. Waterbury licensed WMRQ 104.1 HD4 is Bomba-FM a Spanish CHR formatted radio station that originates on WMRQ HD2. Their sister station Pawcatuck licensed WBMW 106.5 HD4 also runs Bomba-FM and is fed to a 104.5 translastor in New London. Bomba-FM is on other translators throughout the state.

104.1 HD1 Modern Rock
104.1 HD2 Bomba-FM
104.1 HD3 Portuguese//WFAR 93.3 Danbury
104.1 HD4 Bomba-FM

106.5 HD1 Adult Contemporary
106.5 HD2 Country (Fed to a translator on 99.5)
106.5 HD3 Oldies Kool Radio//WSKP 1180/104.3 (Westerly)
106.5 HD4 Bomba-FM (Fed to a translator on 104.5)

 

[lawman]

Are they still on the HD4, the voice guy just mentioned Philly to NYC on 103.3 plus the two main signals but no mention of WXNY??

 

[Theater of My Mind]

Yes. I'm pretty sure WXNY-HD4 is mentioned in WOLD-LP's legal TOH ID but you're right, other than that I've only heard them promote their 103.3 HD simulcast.

 

[Barry]

Perhaps the fact that the station only mentions the HD4 once an hour is an indication that they are only on there temporarily. It appears virtually all of their advertising is from businesses in NJ. So what would a small station such as this gain from leasing a frequency in NYC?
My guess is that WXNY 96.3 is carrying them on HD4 at no charge, just so they can have something on the new channel, at no cost to them either.
The station does seem to have a wide variety of oldies, and lively dj's.

 

[Barry]

The rebroadcast of WOLD FM was replaced today by a station playing continuous music in a language I cannot identify. Can anyone determine which one it is?

 

[AlNYRadio]

The rebroadcast of WOLD FM was replaced today by a station playing continuous music in a language I cannot identify. Can anyone determine which one it is?

It's Russian.

 

[AlNYRadio]

It's Russian.

5PM TOH: W284BW 104.7 and 96.3 WXNY HD4 New York.

But, 104.7 is airing from 93.1 HD2, and is the Radio Visión Cristiana format. Umm?

 

[Barry]

93.1 HD2 has been silent for months. The Radio Vision Cristiana website no longer mentions the FM frequency.
A Russian station on this translator may make sense, given the primary signal area.
There are now 3 Russian stations on HD subchannels, plus 620 AM.

 

[AlNYRadio]

93.1 HD2 has been silent for months. The Radio Vision Cristiana website no longer mentions the FM frequency.
A Russian station on this translator may make sense, given the primary signal area.
There are now 3 Russian stations on HD subchannels, plus 620 AM.

104.7 is still simulcasting the Radio Vision Cristiana format as of this post...but yeah, a Russian on terrestrial FM is big. Especially for the area it covers, neighborhoods in BK and Staten Island in particular.

 

[AlNYRadio]

As I'm writing this, and ABBA's "Thank You For the Music" is playing, the audio quality sucks. Aside from the fact that its basically mono and an HD4, their EQ is off. Not only with the ABBA song, but the Arabesque, Depeche Mode, Celentano, Antonov and CC Catch tracks before this have some weird EQ to them.

For the average Russian adult, this is the perfect mix of music that is (assuming) automated right now, with no name, except the legal ID. All the great 'Shanson' songs, as well as some English hits and Italo Disco. Hoping if they do go on 104.7, they fix the audio distortion/EQ stuff.

 

[AlNYRadio]

*NEW* TOH used at 6pm, with a well-known Russian V/O (who I believe used to V/O 87.7 Radio Vsyo back in the day). It's "Radio Freedom FM" 104.7/96.3 HD4. I wonder if they're soft-launching/testing now on HD4 before putting it on the main 104.7 signal. No mention except the TOH.

 

[Barry]

Soft/launch/testing seems to be a reasonable guess. When a new signal starts being carried on a translator, this often takes place at the beginning of a month. So perhaps the operators of this new station are giving themselves a week to get everything right, before beginning to lease the translator.
It's interesting that one of the two other Russian music stations, which have been on HD subchannels for quite some time, did not arrange to be carried on the translator. Perhaps they don't have the financial resources.

 

[AlNYRadio]

6:27PM: 96.3 HD4 went silent, scrolled to 104.7, and they were playing the same John Lennon song. Now at 6:28, both are silent. Bunch of testing it seems.

(Edit) 6:40 PM: Both are running. Still some heavy distortion, but the EQ on 104.7 better, especially without mono/HD4 limitations.

 

[Joylovepulse967]

6:27PM: 96.3 HD4 went silent, scrolled to 104.7, and they were playing the same John Lennon song. Now at 6:28, both are silent. Bunch of testing it seems.

(Edit) 6:40 PM: Both are running. Still some heavy distortion, but the EQ on 104.7 better, especially without mono/HD4 limitations.

do you have more update

 

[nd2023]

I wonder if the engineer of WXNY is friends with the owner of WOLD. That seems to be the only explanation why it was on there, buried on the HD4 of a Spanish station in which HD 1-3 are all Spanish

 

[Radi0411]

I wonder if the engineer of WXNY is friends with the owner of WOLD. That seems to be the only explanation why it was on there, buried on the HD4 of a Spanish station in which HD 1-3 are all Spanish

There's no such thing as a free lunch OR a free ride on an HD channel in the largest radio market... I'm sure there is more involved than any of us know or can speculate. I guess this is an opportunity to fill another niche in the NYC metro with its own target audience that is otherwise relegated to a super-directional AM. Someone/Some group with REALLY deep pockets I'm guessing for the combo!