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fred flintstone said:
Radio news people don't have time for much else, radio doesn't have time to air much else and the audience is not interested in getting more from radio than: (1) Tell me the weather so I know what to wear, (2) Tell me about the traffic jam in time to avoid it or - failing that - explain it to me so I know why I'm stuck and (3) Reassure me that the world didn't blow up while I was asleep. Beyond that, radio news is irrelevant except to people who work in it.

Perhaps in major market, it's not as relevant as it used to be. In this small market, our objective is to stay ahead of the local paper and any other form of competition we might have. We do it very well, and it's important to our listeners. I like to think I 'raise the bar' compared to others.
 
I usually don't agree with you, Fred, but in this case you're right. That's why so many of us USED to work in radio. It was fun but we needed a job that paid enough so we could pay the bills.

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The only ways to stay in radio full time are to:
  • Live with your parents.
  • Or have a working spouse. Their's is always the better job. I notice teachers are a popular choice for radio spouses.

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Anonymous Fred has left the building.

Ken,

APPLAUSE
APPLAUSE
APPLAUSE

Solid, NON-BORING, local news content is -- now-more-than-ever -- the silver bullet against iPod, satellite radio, and Clear Channel-type mail-it-in-voicetracking radio.

Your work product is A FRANCHISE.
Conspicuous to the listener, of value to the advertiser.
 
Re: Anonymous Fred has left the building.

Holland Cooke said:
Ken, APPLAUSE APPLAUSE APPLAUSE Solid, NON-BORING, local news content is -- now-more-than-ever -- the silver bullet against iPod, satellite radio, and Clear Channel-type mail-it-in-voicetracking radio. Your work product is A FRANCHISE. Conspicuous to the listener, of value to the advertiser.

That's the goal, Holland. I love it when I hear people in the community who say "I listen to your news all the time" or "Hey, about that story you had this morning...". Though I'm not the PD, GSM, or GM, it's those elements that attract advertisers, and that's who ultimately pay me in the end. The check just happens to have the name of our licensee on it, but it's our clients that we ultimately work for.
 
Re: Anonymous Fred has left the building.

kenhawk1160 said:
That's the goal, Holland. I love it when I hear people in the community who say "I listen to your news all the time" or "Hey, about that story you had this morning...". Though I'm not the PD, GSM, or GM, it's those elements that attract advertisers, and that's who ultimately pay me in the end. The check just happens to have the name of our licensee on it, but it's our clients that we ultimately work for.

Those elements attract mom and pop advertisers - local merchants. They buy what they like on the assumption that what they like is what everybody likes. That's why small markets still have Oldies and Standards stations. Ad agency media buyers deal in numbers.

And if you haven't p___ed off anybody lately, you should be worried. Then again, "radio news" news is not about journalism. It's PSAs passed off as news stories, sound bites to go with press releases and puff pieces for advertisers and those your boss wants to impress. For stations in a company town or near a military base, local stations function as a branch of their "information" or "public relations" offices.
 
"And if you haven't p___ed off anybody lately, you should be worried. "

Anonymous Fred,

By THAT yardstick, you must be sleeping-like-a-baby...
 
Re: Anonymous Fred has left the building.

fred flintstone said:
Those elements attract mom and pop advertisers - local merchants. They buy what they like on the assumption that what they like is what everybody likes. That's why small markets still have Oldies and Standards stations. Ad agency media buyers deal in numbers. And if you haven't p___ed off anybody lately, you should be worried. Then again, "radio news" news is not about journalism. It's PSAs passed off as news stories, sound bites to go with press releases and puff pieces for advertisers and those your boss wants to impress. For stations in a company town or near a military base, local stations function as a branch of their "information" or "public relations" offices.

And as you're well aware, small market radio depends on local revenue, not agency money. As for the last two sentences in your quote, aren't those duties you mentioned the obligations of your license? To serve the public interest as a public trustee? PSA's, though not all, are still news items, depending on their profile in the community. The United Way's annual fund drive, Make-A-Wish Christmas radiothon, and the county's human services agency food drive are all relevant matters of interest. We personally don't air 'company' news or information unless it has an impact on jobs or their earnings. Making phone calls, gathering other augmenting information to create an objective report, and collecting sound are all aspects of journalism. We don't do anything much different than what the networks offer. But, opinions are like...well, you know. Everybody has one.
 
Ken, you raise several interesting and relevant points:

First of all, what is the "public interest?" I know to some the question is like Pilate asking, "What is the truth?" Radio has long taken it to mean free promotion for various non-commercial interests and government agencies. At the same time, radio has long tended to serve the public interest at times when few are listening and the station can't sell the time. This suggests to me that the public really isn't all that interested and radio people know it. Public interest programming (including PSAs when you have unsold avails) is the radio equivalent of eating your vegetables: You don't really like it. You have some idea that you should. And your mother makes you. IMHO: Ratings are the best barometers of serving the public interest. If people are listening, they must - to some extent - be interested in whatever it is the station is doing. How can a station serve the "public interest" if the public is not interested in the programming? If you play music and people enjoy it, that's serving the public interest (even if music programming is dessert rather than vegetables). There is sort of a Puritan ethic underlying radio saying don't have too much fun.

Are people all that interested in charity drives? I doubt it. In addition, charities are not necessarily beyond reproach. I think puff pieces are not journalism's highest purpose. I think reporters should be looking into (and telling people) how much of their dollar goes actually to help people (and how much to overhead)? What do the executives make? How much did that new building cost (and where did the money come from)? Does the local director drive around on weekends in an agency car to go to the supermarket with the charity buying his gas? Now if you do such stories, they won't shake your hand when they see you or send you a little plaque. But each of us has to decide for himself what his purpose at work is.

I also include in PSAs passed off as news all the don't-be-stupid stories (drive safely, don't go out in a thunderstorm...). If this is serving the "public interest" it is the lowest level of service and the easy (and cheap) way out for broadcasters.

And contrary to what most people think, I say collecting sound has almost destroyed radio news. Sound has some to replace good reporting, good editing, good writing and good story-telling. Sound mostly does not add information. Sound bites mostly are not the best way to say something. The use of sound is related to the dumbing down of news and the debasement of the English language. I saw a PBS documentary on Murrow a couple of weeks ago and was struck by how Murrow and his "boys" used the English language to explain, to clarify, to arouse, to capture the essence of events. The most successful news broadcast in radio for almost 60 years - Paul Harvey News and Comment - uses no sound, just words. I am also impressed with WTWP in Washington, which is all interviews and debriefings of newspaper writers. Again, well chosen words which capture events, thoughts and ideas. Sound bites and nat sound are no substitute - and generally waste time (the information could be conveyed clearly and more quickly without the use of sound).
 
fred flintstone said:
Ken, you raise several interesting and relevant points:

First of all, what is the "public interest?" I know to some the question is like Pilate asking, "What is the truth?" Radio has long taken it to mean free promotion for various non-commercial interests and government agencies. At the same time, radio has long tended to serve the public interest at times when few are listening and the station can't sell the time. This suggests to me that the public really isn't all that interested and radio people know it. Public interest programming (including PSAs when you have unsold avails) is the radio equivalent of eating your vegetables: You don't really like it. You have some idea that you should. And your mother makes you. IMHO: Ratings are the best barometers of serving the public interest. If people are listening, they must - to some extent - be interested in whatever it is the station is doing. How can a station serve the "public interest" if the public is not interested in the programming? If you play music and people enjoy it, that's serving the public interest (even if music programming is dessert rather than vegetables). There is sort of a Puritan ethic underlying radio saying don't have too much fun.

Are people all that interested in charity drives? I doubt it. In addition, charities are not necessarily beyond reproach. I think puff pieces are not journalism's highest purpose. I think reporters should be looking into (and telling people) how much of their dollar goes actually to help people (and how much to overhead)? What do the executives make? How much did that new building cost (and where did the money come from)? Does the local director drive around on weekends in an agency car to go to the supermarket with the charity buying his gas? Now if you do such stories, they won't shake your hand when they see you or send you a little plaque. But each of us has to decide for himself what his purpose at work is.

I also include in PSAs passed off as news all the don't-be-stupid stories (drive safely, don't go out in a thunderstorm...). If this is serving the "public interest" it is the lowest level of service and the easy (and cheap) way out for broadcasters.

And contrary to what most people think, I say collecting sound has almost destroyed radio news. Sound has some to replace good reporting, good editing, good writing and good story-telling. Sound mostly does not add information. Sound bites mostly are not the best way to say something. The use of sound is related to the dumbing down of news and the debasement of the English language. I saw a PBS documentary on Murrow a couple of weeks ago and was struck by how Murrow and his "boys" used the English language to explain, to clarify, to arouse, to capture the essence of events. The most successful news broadcast in radio for almost 60 years - Paul Harvey News and Comment - uses no sound, just words. I am also impressed with WTWP in Washington, which is all interviews and debriefings of newspaper writers. Again, well chosen words which capture events, thoughts and ideas. Sound bites and nat sound are no substitute - and generally waste time (the information could be conveyed clearly and more quickly without the use of sound).

OK, Flintstone, Mr. Slate here's gonna break it down for you...

PUBLIC INTEREST: These are not intended to be all-inclusive, but just a few examples. When a flash flood is about to hit your town or one nearby, you're gathering information on precipitation levels on the rainfall and writing a relevant news story. You're on the phone with the EMA coordinator to see if any emergency action needs to be taken by residents or if a state of emergency is going to be declared.

Your community's governing body is about to enact a gun control ordinance. You're down there at Government Center at the council meeting to get both sides' reaction to such an ordinance. You're questioning the constitutionality of such an enactment with the town's solicitor.

The county commissioners have signed up for a prescription drug discount plan to help those who don't have prescription drug coverage. Any county resident who doesn't have such coverage can get the discount by picking up a card and presenting it to their druggist when they order their prescriptions. One of the places you can get the card is at the radio station.

There's a water conservation order on due to the drought. In a newspaper, this might be a couple of columns and might not even get read. We include it during every newscast.

Airing full newscasts in drive periods, whether they're sponsored or not. Airing 60-minute local news headlines in non-drive periods.

Lose a pet? We say we'll air it during our "Pet Patrol"...a pre-recorded 60-second blurb that's sponsored by the local Humane Society at a discount rate.

Just because someone is a non-profit does not guarantee them free airtime. Most stations offer a discounted rate sheet especially for public service. If they still want free ads, they're guaranteed nothing other than 'at-random', as in where we have the space is where it's going.

What you cited as examples of PSA's being used as news stories (drive safely, etc.,), that's agreeable. That's not news to me. Those are actually opportunities to make money. I know of stations that have in-house telemarketers that sell ads like these to smaller businesses. Projects like these are farmed out to outside firms at a huge markup. I say do it in-house and keep all that money for yourself.

NATURAL SOUND: Destroyed radio news? Where did you come up with an incredible idea like that? That's like saying that your average viewer who watches the CBS Evening News shouldn't have to see video footage of the news that Katie Couric is reporting. Is the viewer simply to take her at her word? Of course not! You know why? Because of the same reason I defend it...it adds credibility to the story. It says "this happened...here's proof of it".

Lest you accuse me of tearing your comment down completely, there are limits as to how long a soundbite should be. 20 seconds is more than enough. Small market listeners do appreciate soundbytes and so do all-news stations.

As for Paul Harvey, do you really call that news? Yes, he reads stories that made the news for the day, but does he break in to his broadcast and say "this just in" or anything like that? Not the last time I listened to him!

CHARITY DRIVES: I say there's an interest in it, but again, this is small market we're talking about. Provided that the money is staying in the community and it's a legitimate cause (the pediatrics unit of the local hospital is a good example), there's a lot of generosity. When September 11th happened, we joined forces with the local newspaper and the United Way to raise money for the families of the victims. All of our staff members took milk jugs and went into high traffic intersections to collect money. We raised almost half a million dollars through this effort.

In the bigger cities, the interest is substantially less.

Small market situation again: We don't do exposes like follow the charity director around to see if he's using gas his employer is paying for on personal time, because frankly, we just don't have the time or resources to do that. Now if we get a lead from someone telling us that there is some impropriety, we'll do a little digging to confirm that. And then it has to be handled tactfully. We're not in the business of character assassination.
 
How about a breakthrough?

Ken:
APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE:
a.) What you describe is textbook differentiating-from-iPod/Sirius/XM/etc.
b.) May I quote some-of-what-you've-spelled-out in my newsletter? You "get it."

Anonymous Fred:
OLIVE BRANCH.
If you'll stop being such a grouch, Ken and I will embrace you.
A virtual group hug.
I'll even call-off the Fred Tribute web page!
Whattya say?

The-level-of-detail Ken offers above, is what this board CAN be, a useful exchange of ideas and technique.

C'mon people now, smile on your brother. Everybody get together and love one another right now.

Your move Groucho.
 
Ken, the examples you cited a legitimate hard news stories. Not argument there, although I do lack sympathy for people who live in a flood plain. How long does it take them to figure out what happens every time the river rises? Then radio and TV play the great enabler of stupid behavior. And make them out to be somehow heroic by coming back and rebuilding (often at public expense) just in time for next year's flood.

The equivalent of radio "sound" in TV is not pictures - it's "Live." ENG (electronic news gathering) is the worst thing that ever happened to TV news; an abuse and overuse of what could have been useful technology. Something happens. A crew goes and takes pictures, with a blow-dried Ken or Barbie in tow. The story is over but the crew and their talking head stay. Hours pass and it's 6:00 and the truck and crew are still there so Ken/Barbie can smile (or frown) depending on the script and say "Absolutely (Insert name of news reader here). I'm reporting live at ____________ where nothing is happening now but three hours ago somebody who wanted publicity and free air time staged a photo op." And guess what? They are still there at 11 pm. And somebody else is back there at 5 am in the next morning.

Paul Harvey doesn't do bulletins: So what? Most of the time it's used, "this just in" is hype. Radio news is filled with hype. Like "exclusive report" (the other station has the same story but not the same person doing the wrap). Or "as you heard first" (you it heard it here first if you were listening to us; if you were listening to them, you heard it there first). ABC used to make a big deal out of "firsts," which they had by virtue of doing news at five minutes before the hour.

Radio and TV don't cover news. Even if they wanted to, as you say, they don't have the time and resources to do real reporting - and they don't hire real reporters. It's all about the appearance of covering news. And the use of "Live" on TV or "sound" on radio is only - ONLY - to enhance the appearance of covering news, whether or not it adds to the story, whether or not it tells the story better. Most of the time it doesn't.

_________________________________________________

Some of the exchanges have gotten heated and personal and for my part in that, I do apologize.
I don't think wanting to discuss these kinds of issues - and holding a different, even skeptical, viewpoint - qualifies as "grouchy." Although Groucho is one of my heroes.
 
I'll take it!

fred flintstone said:
Some of the exchanges have gotten heated and personal and for my part in that, I do apologize.

OK wiseguy,

If that's as close as you'll come to mea culpa, I'll take it.

Going forward, I know that others here will appreciate a more collegial tone.
That "JAP" crack has no place here.

SHALL we move on?
 
Re: How about a breakthrough?

Holland Cooke said:
Ken:
APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE:
a.) What you describe is textbook differentiating-from-iPod/Sirius/XM/etc.
b.) May I quote some-of-what-you've-spelled-out in my newsletter? You "get it."

Anonymous Fred:
OLIVE BRANCH.
If you'll stop being such a grouch, Ken and I will embrace you.
A virtual group hug.
I'll even call-off the Fred Tribute web page!
Whattya say?

The-level-of-detail Ken offers above, is what this board CAN be, a useful exchange of ideas and technique.

C'mon people now, smile on your brother. Everybody get together and love one another right now.

Your move Groucho.

I'm not a fighter, Holland...I'm a lover :). Yes, you can use some of my comments in your newsletter. I'm quite flattered at the request. I fancy myself more of a radio person, rather than a PD, GM, ND, GSM, or any other abbreviation. So I try to be impartial on all fronts.
 
Re: I'll take it!

Holland Cooke said:
OK wiseguy,

If that's as close as you'll come to mea culpa, I'll take it.

Going forward, I know that others here will appreciate a more collegial tone.
That "JAP" crack has no place here.

SHALL we move on?

This sounds more like going back.

I don't what Katie's religious practices are but her mother was a Jew; that makes her a Jew under the Torah (their rules, not mine). She can commit a crime, flea to Israel and avoid extradition and prosecution under the "law of return."

But anyway you slice it, she's a Princess, and radio was a more congenial place to work before they showed up demanding special favors, special treatment and not carrying their own weight. And Princesses get away with it. Ironically, women who are not Princesses, who show up, work hard and do their jobs without complaint, generally get screwed over (including one very talented woman and passionate broadcaster of my acquaintance at a certain "station of the year" with which you are familiar).

Coming from Virginia also makes her a magnolia; and she was Susie Sorority. For all I know, maybe even a cheer leader. She is cute, perky, dates rich guys and has had a career handed to her. Yes, I've know some like her and I don't see qualities to respect or admire. But they do know how to play guys, and PDs and news directors are probably as easy to play as any. Sames goes for Princess Diane (America's Jr. Miss) and princess Jane. However, not for Babwa Wawa, who may not be the nicest, warmest human being on the planet but busted her hump to get where she is.

My observation is PDs (i.e., "the talent in question") who talk the most about how they help women in broadcasting are some of the biggest women-haters around. They "grease the tracks" for women and then set them up to fail. Then they get to be right about how women don't really belong and how hard it is to find good women employees. And if they do happen to find a talented, skilled, dedicated and committed woman employee, they go out of their way to sabotage her and her efforts.

So, no. I don't cheer for the "news Barbies" of this world. Now there will be a brief pause so you can call me "disgruntled" but this is the 500 pound elephant in radio that nobody is willing to talk about.

We shall see whether or not she's another Sally Quinn - who, by the way, recently wrote a column bemoaning the "glass ceiling" women face in TV news. Now that's chutzpah!

PS: Ken is clearly articulate and passionate about his work. I hope you are able to help him move up from Bedford Falls - even if he is a guy.
 
Unaccustomed-as-I-am to quoting The Gipper, "there you go again..."

I don't ask you to reply to this.
Factor-out face-saving.

I ask only that you consider how things like these make you seem:
"her mother was a Jew."

Does that belong here?

And "radio was a more congenial place to work before they showed up."
Didn't Ron Burgundy say that?

Because you're being anonymous, I don't know that Katie's resume doesn't pale compared to yours.
But I do know a little bit about that Pentagon beat, where her work for NBC News was first rate.
And I saw her do several years of SOLID reporting @ WRC-TV in the 80s, as they were overtaking WUSA.

And, on behalf of CBS-affiliated client stations, I was feelin' pretty-darn-good -- here during the Fall06 Arbitron survey -- when she did that plug for the radio simulcast before bumping-out-of A-block tonight. "IF YOU CAN'T BE HOME IN TIME TO SEE OUR SHOW, YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS" sure speaks to the time-pressed 40-somethings, the uber-consumers advertisers want to reach.

And if you're half the copy critic I am, you sure can't knock the knock-out work that CBS bench is doing. I can't hear a-word-out-of-place in ANY of those correspondents' packages. It's tight as a drum. And the REPORTING. Last night, Byron Pitts interviewed the Amish midwife who delivered most of the little girls who were shot in that horrific moment the other day. What a get.

But that's my spiel.
I meant to offer a thought about yours.
And I'm not even Jewish!

Because being here, sharing this conversation, seems as important to you as your post count suggests, I ask only that you consider how you risk seeming to folks here who might otherwise be more receptive.
 
fred flintstone said:
Ken, the examples you cited a legitimate hard news stories. Not argument there, although I do lack sympathy for people who live in a flood plain. How long does it take them to figure out what happens every time the river rises? Then radio and TV play the great enabler of stupid behavior. And make them out to be somehow heroic by coming back and rebuilding (often at public expense) just in time for next year's flood.

The equivalent of radio "sound" in TV is not pictures - it's "Live." ENG (electronic news gathering) is the worst thing that ever happened to TV news; an abuse and overuse of what could have been useful technology. Something happens. A crew goes and takes pictures, with a blow-dried Ken or Barbie in tow. The story is over but the crew and their talking head stay. Hours pass and it's 6:00 and the truck and crew are still there so Ken/Barbie can smile (or frown) depending on the script and say "Absolutely (Insert name of news reader here). I'm reporting live at ____________ where nothing is happening now but three hours ago somebody who wanted publicity and free air time staged a photo op." And guess what? They are still there at 11 pm. And somebody else is back there at 5 am in the next morning.

Paul Harvey doesn't do bulletins: So what? Most of the time it's used, "this just in" is hype. Radio news is filled with hype. Like "exclusive report" (the other station has the same story but not the same person doing the wrap). Or "as you heard first" (you it heard it here first if you were listening to us; if you were listening to them, you heard it there first). ABC used to make a big deal out of "firsts," which they had by virtue of doing news at five minutes before the hour.

Radio and TV don't cover news. Even if they wanted to, as you say, they don't have the time and resources to do real reporting - and they don't hire real reporters. It's all about the appearance of covering news. And the use of "Live" on TV or "sound" on radio is only - ONLY - to enhance the appearance of covering news, whether or not it adds to the story, whether or not it tells the story better. Most of the time it doesn't.

_________________________________________________

Some of the exchanges have gotten heated and personal and for my part in that, I do apologize.
I don't think wanting to discuss these kinds of issues - and holding a different, even skeptical, viewpoint - qualifies as "grouchy." Although Groucho is one of my heroes.

I'll give you that. The ENG of TV that created the illusion of being live has been used and abused. We ourselves don't do that much anymore. The only cut-ins we do are on a "special report" basis. Like if we hear something on the scanner like a vehicle accident or a possible structure fire, we jot down the information we need to pass on to the listener, run into the studio and then cut in after the next song, play the stager and make a brief announcement along the lines of "if this is part of your commute, we ask that you allow yourself extra time or re-route your trip, and please do not go to the scene of the fire."

The only time we go out and report live from the scene is if it's a major vehicle accident (school bus, tanker truck, three or more vehicles) or a fire. We go out there and collect the sound, and because radio has that ability where you can break into normal programming with a news bulletin like this (TV won't do it...you'll get a crawl at best), we are VERY LIVE.
But by the same token, we use discretion and treat our subject matter with some degree of sensitivity...we don't sensationalize like some of the big boys.

We used to do 'firsts' when there was a competing station in town. Because we don't have that here, there's no need for it. But if we blow the lid off a major story like a plant closing that's going to put 3,000 out of work, you can bet your bottom dollar we're going to remind listeners that they heard it first on our station.

I will keep defending the use of soundbytes until I draw my last breath. It's essential in small market radio, especially among civic leaders. They have a responsibility to be accountable to those who elected them to serve. When they say something of importance, and a listener doesn't agree with it, they can tell that person "I heard what you said on the radio, and I don't agree with it..." then they have no basis to argue the matter with us. If we simply quote them, then they have leverage to deny it and maybe even go so far as to trash us in the local paper or some other medium. If its natural sound, and their voice, what grounds are there for them to say "I didn't say that." It's gospel.

I also have to comment on your statement regarding Katie Couric, and the overall place of women in the industry. Even before women were making an impact in the broadcasting business that they are now, I have found that the majority of women today who are in television were influenced not by what you see on TV today, but those who first broke ground in the business...Lesley Stahl, Barbara Walters, and Diane Sawyer. These were not blow-dried, Pepsodent twin beauty-queen clones, but women who were committed journalists, and some of them were physically attractive, but only because they knew they had to have a certain look for the camera. The point I'm making though, is that these women do their job every bit as well as their male counterparts.

As an example, when Lesley Stahl started covering the White House beat during the Reagan administration, every attempt that Larry Speakes made to beat her back, she got even closer. She wasn't afraid to call him on every B.S. attempt he made to convince her and the other correspondents of making news where there was none.

Don't get me wrong...there are SOME women (and men, let's not be sexist here) who have slept their way to the top. But you'll find that those are the minority, NOT the majority. In fact, I think that the industry is starting to move away from the beauty queen clones that I mentioned earlier. Here in Pittsburgh, we're starting to see anchors and reporters that are a little plainer than what we've been used to, but most of them are part-timers right now. One of the stations has a female anchor who is of a larger build (but still very attractive), but I've very rarely seen her flub a line and her anchoring skills are like few that I've seen.

At another station where I had worked just a few years ago, we got this recent graduate from Westminster College who was not just attractive, but she was in the trenches doing the real thing. She did work for the NBC affiliate in Youngstown, had an excellent delivery, and required very little training. I predicted that if we had her for a year, we'd be lucky. She gave us just that before she moved on to the Twin Tiers in New York and is now in Reading. She'll go far, and her looks have little to do with it...she's one of the many people out there who are trying to get by on merit.
 
I *LOVE* radio-info.com and posting/participating/reading but I really get fed up when people like Fred can take a innocent posted by a talented person looking to find candidates for employment... and turn it into some s**t slinging fest.

Frankly, I think if a person has a job opening and posts it on the market or format board it's appropriate for, then by all means.. go ahead and do it. They have been postings looking for engineers in several states but I didn't see Fred go after those...

It shows how professional some of us when we attack others we don't like or don't agree with. Sure, I'm not perfect and I've attacked people on here in the past but I really try to be much better then that.

Holland... don't listen to Fred. Even though he'd like to think he sets the rules, he doesn't.

I sincerely hope you find qualified people to fill the position with.
 
In the context you describe, the use of sound bites makes sense. Again - like "Live" - sound bites are over-used, abused and used only for effect. There are exceptions of course, but most stories, most of the time could be better told with good writing. Part of the reason for that is we have so few (I'm being charitable here - I can't think of any off-hand) public figures who are articulate speaking informally or who are good public speakers. Actually, I can think of one (sort of): The Rev Al Sharpton. I covered him when he was running in Democratic presidential primaries. He gave a sermon at a local church (as a visiting minister, not a candidate) and it was the best speech/sermon I've ever heard (and I've heard a few speakers including John Kennedy and Billy Graham). But he never achieved that level of eloquence on a campaign platform. Apparently rhetoric is a dead art in politics and public life, and as a result we get dead sound bites.

Actually Diane Sawyer was a beauty pageant - I mean "scholarship competition" - contestant (America's Junior Miss) and started out as a "weather girl" on local TV in Louisville; this was before Barbies could take a quickie correspondence course and call themselves "meteorologists." And for those who like to talk about the left-wing media, she then went to Washington based on family political connections to work for Tricky Dick in the White House press office during Watergate and then went with His Trickiness into exile to help him write his memoirs. IMHO: That should exclude her from working in any form of journalism at any time (same for LBJ's flack Bill Moyers). This woman is a leading-edge Baby Boomer who helped sell the VietNam war and helped cover up Watergate. These were the defining events of her generation and she was on the wrong side. She should be ashamed to show her face in public.

But if anyone wants a role model for women in broadcast news, I'd recommend Pauline Frederick, who is now mostly forgotten, the first female network news correspondent. And Dorothy Killgallen, now mostly remembered as a game show panelist but a hell of a reporter in her day (may have even been killed for it).

Paul: I am not an engineer. Never have been, never wanted to be. I tried to build a Heathkit receiver in high school and the thing blew up when I plugged it in. OK, it was just a bang and some smoke, but that was enough of the technical side for me. I can read a meter; that's it. Someone suggested a new board for job postings and situations wanted on Ask Radio-Info. I think that's a good idea.
 
fred flintstone said:
Actually Diane Sawyer was a beauty pageant - I mean "scholarship competition" - contestant (America's Junior Miss) and started out as a "weather girl" on local TV in Louisville; this was before Barbies could take a quickie correspondence course and call themselves "meteorologists." And for those who like to talk about the left-wing media, she then went to Washington based on family political connections to work for Tricky Dick in the White House press office during Watergate and then went with His Trickiness into exile to help him write his memoirs. IMHO: That should exclude her from working in any form of journalism at any time (same for LBJ's flack Bill Moyers). This woman is a leading-edge Baby Boomer who helped sell the VietNam war and helped cover up Watergate. These were the defining events of her generation and she was on the wrong side. She should be ashamed to show her face in public.

"Helped" is the relative term here. She didn't plot or scheme per se. She like others, thought what they were doing was for the good of the country. How many boomers who fought the establishment back in the 60's became part of it in the 70's and 80's? About 95 percent of them. I won't even get into John Dean. We all make mistakes. Even Ted Kennedy later admitted that Gerald Ford issuing a full pardon to Richard Nixon for his wrongdoings was the right thing to do for the country at the time.
 
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