Hendrie's on the air, and guess what?

[phxberger]

More than Entertainment

I listen to radio to be informed as well as to be entertained. I quit reading the newspaper when the opinions started outweighing the news. I get some news from TV, but I found radio not only gave me the details I wanted, radio, through calls from listeners, also gave me an indication of the pulse of the community. It was better than reading the letters to the editors!

To do that, it had to be local talk shows with local hosts and local callers. Sam Steiger comes to mind, as well as David Leibowitz. I don't get that from listening to Tony Snow, John Hannity, Bill Bennett or Tom Lykis. To me, content is more important than the experience or polish of the host.

I think local stations, by moving to syndicated shows, are forgetting that their listeners are local. Soon there will be no need to tune to a local station, and listeners will drift to satellite radio.

When I used to listen to Bob Boze Bell and David K Jones, they would have a TV near them, and if something hot, such as a fire or a car chase was going on, they would comment about it and you didn't feel left out.

Most syndicated shows are delayed (if you did hear them live you would never know it), and they will never interrupt for breaking news......propbably because more than half of their audience will be hearing the show hours later.

I feel that radio should be serving the local community.....through local shows and local news. I enjoy visiting small towns and checking out the local stations. They are so much more community oriented than metro Phoenix stations.

 

[Jay_F]

Re: Honestly?

> > Nope... that's me... and *you* spelled it wrong.
> >
> > The Natural... is not me... and for the record I dont
> agree
> > with him beyond that he meant that we are the 5th largest
> > city.
> >
>
> I stand corrected. Thanks.
>
> I do still pose the question to The Natural. If Phoenix
> radio is so bad, what are you doing about it?
>


My belief is that most people who say their local radio is really bad would generally not like radio anywhere.

 

[johndavis]

Re: Honestly?

> My belief is that most people who say their local radio is
> really bad would generally not like radio anywhere.

You're probably right about that.
<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>

 

[zumahans1]

Another usual Hans comeback, accurate and succinct as usual.

Irrelevant comparison, and invalid, also. the "culture" of
> Phoenix has as much to do with non-city-of-Phoenix things as
> anyting in the city. ASU is not in Phoenix, it is in tempe.
> The early Mormon settlers were not in Phoenix, they were in
> Tempe.

Wrong. Mesa was settled by Mormons, not Tempe.

> Anyone who works in or runs a radio station gives a crap.

This man who you so righteously correct does not work in radio. This board is not -JUST- for radio industry employees and industry apologists.


> Thier income, job security and future depend on knowing the
> market, not the unrelated political boundries that intersect
> the market. If yu are a local politician, then maybe these
> things are of importance. Or if you are home hunting, the
> school systems may have a big bearing. But as to listening
> to raido or watching TV, we don't care about the city of
> license or anything except the programming. It's ALL about
> the metro.
>

Not to those who view themselves as radio listeners in a city, not sheep in a metro, which is the way you and your ilk insultingly and condescendingly look at listeners.


>
> Hi from Austin, where I just finished a 120 person research
> project in a Civic Center. Off to San Jose tomorrow, to do
> another. I guess my definition of "cloistered" does not
> match yours.

Wow. My definition of cloistered means bouncing into so many markets that you really don't know any.


> The "cloisted" programmer who talked to Phoenix listeners
> three times in the last 90 days seems to have created the
> market's new #1 radio station, in case you have not noticed.

#1 does not mean good - it means lowest common denominator. And your #1 radio station is probably not listened to, or even noticed, by 95 percent of the people in the area, many of whom have given up on radio for good.

> Maybe it is because I travel to markets every week, and
> spend all my time outside of stations, talking to listeners.
> The proof is that it is neither cloistered, irrelvant nor
> automated. It is real, listener based and effective.

Wow. Living out of a suitcase must really suck. Look what it produces.

 

[zumahans1]

Excuse me, reality check.

> You know, of course,
> that spell flames are pretty unacceptable, right?
>

I'll remember that the next time someone corrects the spelling of Rosarito Beach.

Or Tia Juana.

Or Tecata.

Remember those, D-E?

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Another usual Hans comeback, accurate and succinct as usual.

>
> Wrong. Mesa was settled by Mormons, not Tempe.

Sorry, typing too fast. Of course it was Mesa. Most of my LDS fiends while at ASU lived there.
>
> > Anyone who works in or runs a radio station gives a crap.
>
> This man who you so righteously correct does not work in
> radio. This board is not -JUST- for radio industry employees
> and industry apologists.

Which is why I told hem that to tose in radio, this is important. He seemd to think it was not.
> >

> Not to those who view themselves as radio listeners in a
> city, not sheep in a metro, which is the way you and your
> ilk insultingly and condescendingly look at listeners.

That is irrelevant. The poster indicated that the 5th city in size should have better radio. It is not the size of a city in ametro, but the metro itself that determines the economics of a market and what kind of talent, programming and such it can afford.
>
> Wow. My definition of cloistered means bouncing into so many
> markets that you really don't know any.

It appears that that would be incorrect. The ratings, which indicate listenership, indicate I know the markets quite well.

> > The "cloisted" programmer who talked to Phoenix listeners
> > three times in the last 90 days seems to have created the
> > market's new #1 radio station, in case you have not
> noticed.
>
> #1 does not mean good - it means lowest common denominator.

In radio, it means "successful" and that is what radio is about. A station that has high ratings is enjoyed by more people than one with low ratings.

This argument you haul out all too often about how stations few people listen to, like KPFK in LA, are somehow better than ones that provide entertainment to many people, is bizarre.

> And your #1 radio station is probably not listened to, or
> even noticed, by 95 percent of the people in the area, many
> of whom have given up on radio for good.

Phoenix radio listening level is 94%, which is, unfortunately, 1.03% below the level it was at in 1970. Practically nobody has stopped listening to radio, except in your dreams.
>
> > Maybe it is because I travel to markets every week, and
> > spend all my time outside of stations, talking to
> listeners.
> > The proof is that it is neither cloistered, irrelvant nor
> > automated. It is real, listener based and effective.
>
> Wow. Living out of a suitcase must really suck. Look what it
> produces.

It produces many good friendships, lots of new experiences, and alack of stagnation. You should try it.

In fact, just last week, the former owner of a station I consulted in Bucaramanga, Colombia, in the 80´s came to viit me with his son, who now lives in the USA. That is the kind of friendship I have made through travel... it is a rare week when I do not hear from somewone I have worked with in the past. 6 of the 8 first DJs I hired for my station in Ecuador in 1964 write me regularly, so strong was our bond. I would not trade all te travel and hotel rooms for a sedentary life ever.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Excuse me, reality check.

> > You know, of course,
> > that spell flames are pretty unacceptable, right?
> >
>
> I'll remember that the next time someone corrects the
> spelling of Rosarito Beach.

One thing is to confuse dependent and dependant. It passes, and is understandable. But Rosarito is a place name. It is like spelling the South American country as "Columbia."
>
> Or Tia Juana.

Again, a proper name. Unless you have an aunt of that name, in which case it is correct. Otherwise, it is Tijuana.
>
> Or Tecata.

A proper name.

Not at all the same as a misselling of a common, uncapitalized word.

 

[rhaney]

Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> > He never said that Phoenix was the 5th largest radio
> market.
> >
> >
> > He said its the 5th largest city.
> >
> > Stop trying to read in things that aren't there. The word
>
> > "market" was nowhere in his post, only yours.
> >
>
> The fact that one political jurisdiction within a market is
> big or small is totally irrelevant. The poster´s argument
> was based on "a big city like Phoenix deserves better..."
>
> In the context of radio, there are NO cities, only markets.
> As such, his contention is wrong.
>
god bless.. ok.. we get it dude.. u know a lot about radio. when i read his message.. it didnt even cross my mind to think he said that.

 

[zumahans1]

Re: Another usual Hans comeback, accurate and succinct as usual.

> This argument you haul out all too often about how stations
> few people listen to, like KPFK in LA, are somehow better
> than ones that provide entertainment to many people, is
> bizarre.

Never once have I said KPFK is superior to anything. I cannot listen to KPFK because of XLNC interference. I do not find their programming good at all.
>
> > And your #1 radio station is probably not listened to, or
> > even noticed, by 95 percent of the people in the area,
> many
> > of whom have given up on radio for good.
>
> Phoenix radio listening level is 94%, which is,
> unfortunately, 1.03% below the level it was at in 1970.
> Practically nobody has stopped listening to radio, except in
> your dreams.
> >

And dropping, I might add, thanks to programmers like you.

But I did not say 95 percent of Phoenix radio listeners ignore your station. I said 95 percent of Phoenix market residents don't listen to your station.


> It produces many good friendships, lots of new experiences,
> and alack of stagnation. You should try it.

Been there, do that frequently.

>
> In fact, just last week, the former owner of a station I
> consulted in Bucaramanga, Colombia, in the 80´s came to viit
> me with his son, who now lives in the USA. That is the kind
> of friendship I have made through travel... it is a rare
> week when I do not hear from somewone I have worked with in
> the past. 6 of the 8 first DJs I hired for my station in
> Ecuador in 1964 write me regularly, so strong was our bond.
> I would not trade all te travel and hotel rooms for a
> sedentary life ever.

Wow. A lousy programmer on several continents. I bet listenership will drop there, too.

 

[zumahans1]

Only you could miss a point so obvious

> > > You know, of course,
> > > that spell flames are pretty unacceptable, right?
> > >
> >

They either are or they aren't.

You choose to jump on the minor errors of others to impugn the opinions and insult the integrity of those with whom you disagree.

And when the tables are turned, you play the dyslexic card, or say the rules don't apply to you.

In the words of another poster:

>"I don't see anyone pointing out to you all of your grammatical errors and spelling mistakes in your posts...why don't you show them the same courtesy in their posts and let them express their views?"<

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 01/20/06 04:37 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Hans shoots from the hip again.

> Never once have I said KPFK is superior to anything. I
> cannot listen to KPFK because of XLNC interference. I do not
> find their programming good at all.

You could have fooled me. If you do not like KPFK, it seems a bit odd that you were complaining about interference to a station you do not care about.

> > > And your #1 radio station is probably not listened to,
> or
> > > even noticed, by 95 percent of the people in the area,
> > many
> > > of whom have given up on radio for good.
> >
> > Phoenix radio listening level is 94%, which is,
> > unfortunately, 1.03% below the level it was at in 1970.
> > Practically nobody has stopped listening to radio, except
> in
> > your dreams.
> > >
>
> And dropping, I might add, thanks to programmers like you.

Actually, increasing in our sector, where radio usage is around 24 hours per person per week.
>
> But I did not say 95 percent of Phoenix radio listeners
> ignore your station. I said 95 percent of Phoenix market
> residents don't listen to your station.

You said, "many of whom have given up on radio for good." That seems to me to mean that you believe radio listening is decreasing. And the term "many" would indicate that you believe a significant percentage or number of listeners have stopped listening, which is not the truth.

> Wow. A lousy programmer on several continents. I bet
> listenership will drop there, too.

Yeah, right. In Argentina, I was the first to do Argentine rock as a format... something local broadcasters had never done. 100% local talent and 100% local music. The station has been #1 for 72 books, and increased FM listening levcels by several percent. Just one example (although one with the highest cume in the Western Hemisphere).

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Only you could miss a point so obvious

> > > > You know, of course,
> > > > that spell flames are pretty unacceptable, right?
> > > >
> > >
>
> They either are or they aren't.
>
> You choose to jump on the minor errors of others to impugn
> the opinions and insult the integrity of those with whom you
> disagree.

Calling Tijuana "Tia Juana" is not a spelling error or a typo. It is ignorance. My point stands. Proper nouns are misspelled from lack of knowledge, not from bad typing skills.
>
> And when the tables are turned, you play the dyslexic card,
> or say the rules don't apply to you.

Gee, Hans, I appologize for being dyslexic. I am sure I could have done something to correct that for your benefit. The fact is, I do pretty well for an ESL type person.
>
> In the words of another poster:
>
> >"I don't see anyone pointing out to you all of your
> grammatical errors and spelling mistakes in your posts...why
> don't you show them the same courtesy in their posts and let
> them express their views?"<

One thing is a bunch of typos or misspells. Another is faulty logic or unsustainable points.

I still remember your insistence through many posts that the night interference on KNX in AZ came from a station in San Luis Potosi which was actually a daytimer... when the real culprit is a a station in southern Sonora running day power at night!

 

[zumahans1]

Hans shoots from the hip again, with the same accurate result!

> You could have fooled me.

Yeah, it's easy.

> Actually, increasing in our sector, where radio usage is
> around 24 hours per person per week.

Your sector is not the market. If you are going to bust a guy's chops for referring to Phoenix as a city, then your artificial "sector" distrinction is even less valid.

Overall radio listening is dropping in many markets BECAUSE of your sector.

> >
> > But I did not say 95 percent of Phoenix radio listeners
> > ignore your station. I said 95 percent of Phoenix market
> > residents don't listen to your station.
>
> You said, "many of whom have given up on radio for good."
> That seems to me to mean that you believe radio listening is
> decreasing. And the term "many" would indicate that you
> believe a significant percentage or number of listeners have
> stopped listening, which is not the truth.

Yes, it is. You yourself said so.

And your phony and confidential interpretation of ratings that only you have access to is a joke, David.

Go ahead and interpret your chicken entrails. Radio ratings can be interpreted in many ways, David, and your way is always self-serving.

> >
> Yeah, right. In Argentina, I was the first to do Argentine
> rock as a format... something local broadcasters had never
> done. 100% local talent and 100% local music.

Wow. I'm so impressed. Wait til they get IPods and we'll see what happens.

 

[zumahans1]

Double standards.

> Calling Tijuana "Tia Juana" is not a spelling error or a
> typo. It is ignorance.
...
> The fact is, I do pretty well for an ESL type person.

Oh, now I get it. when an english-speaker mangles Spanish, it's ignorance.

But when you make a mistake, it's not ignorance. It's because you're a special class.

And for the record, I have never called Tijuana any other name in this forum or anywhere else. That was someone else, who you attacked for ignorance because they misused a word that is not their native language (only you get a special pass for ESL).

But, also for the record, the city of Tijuana was called Tia Juana by the federal government of Mexico up into the 1960s. I have a federal dpto de turismo map from 1965 that calls it Tia Juana.

The U.S. Geologic Survey calls it the Tia Juana River and Tia Juana Valley, relecting historical usage. I'm looking at the 1968 USGS topo map which is still the current version. It says Tia Juana. Two words.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Hans shoots from the hip again, with the same accurate result!

> > Actually, increasing in our sector, where radio usage is
> > around 24 hours per person per week.
>
> Your sector is not the market.

My sector, Spanish radio, is as much a part of the market as any other. Since there are 100 shares in any market, and Spanish takes about 15 of those shares in Phoenix, were are a significant part of the total and a part of the market.

> If you are going to bust a
> guy's chops for referring to Phoenix as a city, then your
> artificial "sector" distrinction is even less valid.

You accused me of being a programmer whose paractices reduced radio usage. The fact is, in the area where I program the average listening per person is rising and is above the highest level non-Hispanic whites have ever averaged since Arbitron began. That would, in most evaluations, indicate that the programming is accepted, loved and there is a passion for it.
>
> Overall radio listening is dropping in many markets BECAUSE
> of your sector.

Wrong. Any drop in non-Hispanic white listening is often commpensated for by the higher listening of Hispanics, which raise the market averages.

> > You said, "many of whom have given up on radio for good."
> > That seems to me to mean that you believe radio listening
> is
> > decreasing. And the term "many" would indicate that you
> > believe a significant percentage or number of listeners
> have
> > stopped listening, which is not the truth.
>
> Yes, it is. You yourself said so.

No, I have not. A very small percentage of Americans have stopped listening to terrestrial radio. Total radio cume in the 80's was 95% and it is between 93% and 94% today, depending on the market.

Very few people have stopped listening.
>
> And your phony and confidential interpretation of ratings
> that only you have access to is a joke, David.

Anyone with Maximiser or Arbitrends can do a report and turn on "market totals" and see the cume rating for radio, 12+, 6 to Midnight, Monday to Sunday. It will be between 93 and 94 in any given market.

Anyone with Maximiser can do a combo of all stations in the market and selct Hispanic 12+ as the demo. This will show between 24 and 25 hours of weekly TSL by Hispanics.

As I said, anyone with access to the data can do this.
>
> Go ahead and interpret your chicken entrails. Radio ratings
> can be interpreted in many ways, David, and your way is
> always self-serving.

Anyone can duplicate this.

And there is only one Cume Rating for the market in any table. And for all people in all hours of the week, the figure is 93 to 94.
>
> Wow. I'm so impressed. Wait til they get IPods and we'll see
> what happens.

A number of studies have sown that most iPod users over 18 use more radio than non-owners because they are more interested in music and entertainment.

Oh, they have iPods. And they had, in order, gramophone rolls, 78 rpm records, 45 rpm records, LPs, cassetttes, CDs, mini/disks and now MP3 players.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Double standards.

> > Calling Tijuana "Tia Juana" is not a spelling error or a
> > typo. It is ignorance.
> ...
> > The fact is, I do pretty well for an ESL type person.
>
> Oh, now I get it. when an english-speaker mangles Spanish,
> it's ignorance.

You mangled names of places along the US border that you should know better than to misspell. Of course, you tried to tell me the location of that 1070 staiton, so I assumed you knew a bit of Spanish. Obviously, I was wrong.
>
> But when you make a mistake, it's not ignorance. It's
> because you're a special class.

People who are dyslexic can not SEE thier own mistakes in certain occasions. Yoiu probably have fun helping the blind to cross in front of traffic, too. You are pretty sick, in fact.
>
> And for the record, I have never called Tijuana any other
> name in this forum or anywhere else. That was someone else,
> who you attacked for ignorance because they misused a word
> that is not their native language (only you get a special
> pass for ESL).

I did not use the fact that English is not my first language as an excuse. I said that I thought I did pretty well, in fact. The problem I have, along with about 8% of the US population, is that I can not always see spatial relationships and reverse letters or put spaces where they do not go. Thier looks right to me, and their does not.
>
> But, also for the record, the city of Tijuana was called Tia
> Juana by the federal government of Mexico up into the 1960s.
> I have a federal dpto de turismo map from 1965 that calls it
> Tia Juana.

But that is not the name today.

 

[zumahans1]

Play that dyslexia card! Maybe try a wheelchair!

That's right, David, explain again to the world how stupid I must be because I called it Rosarita Beach in a post 4 years ago.

And then wah wah wah about your alleged dyslexia when you make a similar spelling error.

What's even funnier is your extended bloviating to get the last word. As if it makes your double standards less obvious!

Most give up in frustration. Not me.

 

[zumahans1]

Zing

> You accused me of being a programmer whose paractices
> reduced radio usage. The fact is, in the area where I
> program
(snip)


I don't care about the AREA YOU PROGRAM. That's not what this thread is about, remember? You are the one who slaps people for making statements about Phoenix being a city instead of a market. We are talking about a market.

Once again you are a hypocrite. You attack with semantics, and then hide behind them.

 

[ajhenderson]

Re: Only you could miss a point so obvious

> You choose to jump on the minor errors of others to impugn

impune