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Herman Cain/WSB

bnaivar said:
Don't you think that if Herman tries a run at any political office the same "infidelity" rumor mill will come back and shut him down again? ???

You would think right? But that is what the 'talk' was btw Boortz and HC.

But when you think about it, the political stage is different...big change from 'National' and 'State'. The media may not feel the vested interest in protecting Obama...who are they protecting on a State run?
 
With all respect to HC, I like the guy. It saddened me to see him force off the campaign trail. I respect what he believes and stands for.

That being said, my personal opinion, he does not have what it takes to be a 'talk-master'. I always listened as much as possible to Boortz, and have for years. He keeps the audience attentive. Opinionated yes, but that is what is so entertaining. Having Rush follow made it even better.

All this week with HC filling in, if this is an audience test, the shows suck. He does not, again, my opinion, have the voice for radio. He is so monotone I find it boring. He uses the same phrases, same comments, makes the same points over and over---very boring. I do not believe he will have the national audience Boortz carried.

I am now searching for alternatives (and have to assume so are others), Laura Ingrahm, Dennis Miller,Brian Kilmeade...
 
HippieGuy said:
All this week with HC filling in, if this is an audience test, the shows suck. He does not, again, my opinion, have the voice for radio. He is so monotone I find it boring. He uses the same phrases, same comments, makes the same points over and over---very boring. I do not believe he will have the national audience Boortz carried.

Because he IS local, he deserves a shot - but nothing over an hour. There is just too much talent out there that could comfortably fill the other two hours.

(Maybe bring Clark back to days 9-11am and have HC lead into Rush. Then you could bring the early overnight shows to evenings to clear the way for C2C.)
 
I agree with Hippie. I tried to listen this morning and had to turn it off. He talks about the same thing every day. Hey HC, the election is OVER! I thought Clark did a nice job yesterday in place of Hannity. Hannity can go away too in my opinion.
 
Cain is a truly gifted man in so many different ways - it's a shame that hosting a radio show is not one of his talents. I tire quickly of his schtick although his political bent is a reasonable "just right of center." Cain is simply just not a conversationalist.
Trusty is wrong in his post above. There is not plenty of talent out there. Of all the talking heads there are none equal to
Boortz - certainly no superlatives.
Cox has to be sh@#ing bricks right now......they have absolutely no one even remotely capable of filling The Talkmaster's shoes. Rush is not going to save them and Eric Erikson/Andy Dean/the car schmuck guy aren't going to be the new Atlanta radio "superstars."
Most of the mom and pop stations remaining run syndicated programming off the satellite because that's all they can afford to offer. That's because Walmart destroyed small market radio even before the "C's" got to 'em. There is no farm system to groom radio talent any more.
The good news is most Americans don't seem to mind as long as we can get $400 flat screen TVs and hear "The Bert Show."
 
taylorengineer said:
Cain is a truly gifted man in so many different ways - it's a shame that hosting a radio show is not one of his talents. I tire quickly of his schtick although his political bent is a reasonable "just right of center." Cain is simply just not a conversationalist.

That is an interesting contribution to the conversation. His political bent is just right of center? And it demonstrates why we as a people today are all in each other's face over political issues and political talk.

If Herman is "just to the right of center"..... tell me who you see as being WAY RIGHT of center... tell me who you see as being HEAD-BANGING Wack-a-doodle EXTREMELY right of center?

Who do you see as being just left of center, who do you see and being WAY LEFT of center... and who do you see as being HEAD-BANGING Wack-a-doodle EXTREMELY left of center?

Count me in the group that says Herman... at least in his on-air persona... is not a compelling conversationalist. (I suspect in one-on-one conversation he could be very conversational.)

When they present his resume, it is obvious he has been an effective businessman.... able to deal with managing a staff and a business plan. But I don't know very many effective business people who would be good candidates to do Talk Radio. Some of them make good "interview guests" but would fall flat as the host of a daily show.

Has anyone (Talker's Magazine for example) come up with a list of attributes that are found in the style and personality of GOOD Talk Radio hosts? Or is success in that business as predictable as a bolt of lightning.... a fluke of nature?

I just looked back on the calendar. I can tell you the day I first heard Neal Boortz. Had no idea who he was but I was in Atlanta to explore it as a possible place to live. Well, I can narrow it down of one of two days. April 3rd or April 6th, 1998. It took all of 15 or 20 minutes to figure out he could carry on a conversation someone would want to listen to.

It took about a year to grow tired of his "repeat loop" of telling me what to think, rather than inviting me to join him in exploring the world around us.

Herman's time frame will probably considerable less than one year for me to grow tired.... thought it may turn out that there is a tribe of listeners out there that are singing in the same key that he vocalizes.
 
I guess it depends on how you define "center."
We have butchered the meaning of several words in our American culture. "Conservative" is one of those words.
My definitions:
1.A conservative is one who is fiscally laissez-faire and socially libertarian.
2. A liberal is an economic Keynesian who argues the government should be actively interventionist in social affairs, too.
Using my definition of "conservative" none of the talking heads fit. But I would argue that Cain and Boortz are closer than the others. I think both are fiscal moderates. Boortz is overtly libertarian on social issues - Cain tends to be more typical "rightwing" on social issues.
What is labeled today as "conservative" and "Republican" has little to do with true conservative philosophy. The "right" has allowed shysters like Limbaugh, Hannitty, and Ann Colter to hijack their philosophy and carry their banner. That has destroyed the average person's opinion of conservative philosophy. These so called "conservatives" are either showbiz types who have learned how to manipulate their audiences to make money(Limbaugh) or are just not very bright people (Hannitty.)
What is really sad is the American people's inability to noodle out the issues - none of which are as black-white as they are presented. We have a child like understanding of economics, no grounding in history, and the total inability to solve problems. The issues facing our society and world are very complex and the solutions are not simple or easy to accomplish. We need an educated, involved public to deal with these issues - and we are not! Sound bit politics will not be the solution - we need a real debate on the economic and social issues. We need intellectual honesty. We need a republic interested more in the whole than in the parts.
We need to learn science,math,economics and history.....with a special emphasis on economics.
Final message to all those on the "right" and on the "left." This would all be entertaining except your insipid little political games affect the world my children and grandchildren will live in. Stop talkin' stupid..........
 
When repairing an electrical circuit or piece of equipment we can take comfort in the objectivity of Ohms Law.
When repairing societal problems all we have is......Murphy's Law??!!
 
taylorengineer said:
Trusty is wrong in his post above. There is not plenty of talent out there. Of all the talking heads there are none equal to Boortz - certainly no superlatives.

Nobody can come close to Boortz - being Boortz - because of his legal background. He can pick apart events (and pick apart callers) in a way no other talk show host can, which is going to draw listeners.

Did you think I said there was plenty of talent out there that could equal Boortz? Read my post again and realize I'm just trying to find a solution to having to deal with 3 hours daily of Herman Cain - and there IS plenty of talent out there that could draw more listeners than Cain.

Forming the wrong conclusion doesn't give you license to say other people are wrong as a blanket statement.
 
taylorengineer said:
I guess it depends on how you define "center."
We have butchered the meaning of several words in our American culture. "Conservative" is one of those words.
My definitions:
1.A conservative is one who is fiscally laissez-faire and socially libertarian.
2. A liberal is an economic Keynesian who argues the government should be actively interventionist in social affairs, too.

That is your personal set of definitions. Unfortunately, the political warfare in our country does not play by the rules, the definitions you have laid out.

The cultural/social side of your definitions do not define reality for either side. The "conservatives" are NOT Libertarian. In the just ended campaign the Conservatives campaigned on managing people "bedroom lives". The "liberals" are not activedly interventgionist in social affairs. The liberals are supporting "marry whom you wish", in some cases they are supporting "use the drug of your choice".

It is conservatives who support the idea of communities "buying" the arrival of industry by building factories with bond issues guaranteed by the public, and sometimes paid by the public. Conservatives are giving away financial resourced with sales tax holidays and all kinds of income tax deductions for big honkin' SUVs.

In the real world of politics, virtually none of the political groups actually look like "the picture you have put on your WANTED POSTER" to identify the political battles going on.

Now, let's talk about this Herman Cain that you say is not radically conservative. After his days at the pizza company and his days at the restaurant association, what was he doing to earn a few bucks to live on? I don't know if it was a few months or a few years, but there seems to be credible reports that he want across the country holding "pep rallies"... and suddenly: Lo-and-behold... in the 2010 election cycle we had this "grass roots movement" <choke, gag, barf> when the Tea Party led the drive to elect to congress the most rabidly conservative class of new congressmen in a number of years. You and I can't prove it or disprovie it, but scuttle-butt on the street is that the Koch Brothers funded the organization that paid Herman Cain to give speeches and pep-rallies that resulted in so-called "spontaneous" outbreaks of local tea party chapters.

Now, Herman is within his rights and privileges to do all of the above... if he did... but in the face of all this to call him something less than strongly or radically conservative seems to miss the mark just a little bit.

As he does his daily broadcast, we will all learn together whether he is a little bit liberal, a little bit conservative or a whole bunch conservative.

I agree with you that our society needs a better education in economics. But that will raise just one more big hollering-fest. Who gets to decide what theory of economics will be taught?
 
Taylor, I still like your reply from back in June. It's relevant to this discussion.

Neal can take a converstion about a blank piece of paper and make it interesting.

taylorengineer said:
Boortz is capable of critical thought unlike most other "conservative" talk show hosts.
He is an "individualist" versus "collectivist." He believes that he/we is/are the totality of the choices he/we has/have made. And he believes you should be free to do what makes you happy as long as you do not infringe on the rights, or property of others.
There are no other radio personalities, talk or otherwise, espousing these ideas. Add to that he is a skilled conversationalist.....these are the reasons he is so hard to replace.
Bill Bennett is one of the few talk show hosts with enough intellectual umph to replace someone like Neil. But even Bennett tows the Christian/Republican line and carefully dances around issues he knows will upset his audience of bleating sheep. Boortz rarely misses the opportunity to poke Christians, Muslims, and all other people who are unable to think critically with a stick.
Hosea "Hosey" Williams used to say in his campaign ads that he was "un-bought and un-bossed." That's what you might say about Boortz, too. Un-bought and un-bossed.
 
WLAC in Nashville had an excellent host at night doing a live show about 7 years ago, Mark Christopher. He had that blend of conservative/libertarian that has worked so well for Boortz. His program was very engaging. I would listen to him on my way home from work and always thought that he should be in a higher profile spot, even thought that if Boortz ever retired, he would fit in perfectly. I guess I was not the only one that liked him, I believe he is out west doing a news/talk morning show the last I heard.
 
trusty said:
taylorengineer said:
Trusty is wrong in his post above. There is not plenty of talent out there. Of all the talking heads there are none equal to Boortz - certainly no superlatives.

Nobody can come close to Boortz - being Boortz - because of his legal background. He can pick apart events (and pick apart callers) in a way no other talk show host can, which is going to draw listeners.

Did you think I said there was plenty of talent out there that could equal Boortz? Read my post again and realize I'm just trying to find a solution to having to deal with 3 hours daily of Herman Cain - and there IS plenty of talent out there that could draw more listeners than Cain.

Forming the wrong conclusion doesn't give you license to say other people are wrong as a blanket statement.

I would argue that Cain is about as interesting as any other talk host I have heard (exception - Boortz) - at least ones who talk politics.
I have not heard the guy at WLAC but will try to remember to listen online sometime over the holiday.
I think I could live with someone maybe not so polished on air but who is intellectually honest. I can't think of a soul on the radio, right or left.....up or down.....in or out.....AM or FM, who does regular programming not based on tired slogans and party dogma.
The crux of the problem is we, as a society, do not demand more from the media who (in theory) serves us by providing news, information, and entertainment.
I use "We" because I know I'm just as much part of the problem as the rest of you. I'm surprised sometimes when I realize how easily my opinions can be manipulated by extraneous influences.....
 
They can be manipulated. You can also say "A conservative is one who is fiscally laissez-faire and socially libertarian." and it fits. You been reading the Webster's for relaxation?
 
The bottom is about to fall out of WSB because of Herman Cain. For the past several
days, after the news block ends at 9am, I listen for a few minutes and reach for the
"off" button on my radio. Cain is disgusting. Pete Spriggs-- the WSB programmer-- knows
it, the public knows it, and advertising agencies know it. Cain has gotta go. I just
wonder how many people are leaving their radios at 9am now that Herman is there
spewing out his disgusting rhetoric. He has nothing to say. He is dull and boring.
WSB made a rash decision agreeing to put him in there for a three hour show each
day. There are so many wonderful talk show hosts all over the nation, and Cox
can surely afford one of them. Maybe Cain is working for low wages. Surely they are
not paying this disgusting host what they paid Boortz. Is Cox just trying to save money by
putting him on the air ? They will soon suffer when ad agencies cancel and the sales
department starts screaming ! Six months? I don't give him that long to be hosting
this valuable air space. Wake Up Pete Spriggs. Your audience is vanising. You have
made a BIG MISTAKE.
 
Personally, I'd like to see Savage there, even if it is a delay program from the previous night...or just revamp the schedule and put Savage at night...

Anyone but Cain...
 
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