HEY SAY NO, A QUESTION FOR YOU

[pullitin]

WHY DO YOU HATE HD-RADIO? I MEAN, REALLY, I AM A DX'ER, THAT DOES NOT EFFECT ME ANY WAY OF PULLING IN MY FAVORITE STATIONS. I CAN STILL PULL IN THE ONES THAT ARE BROADCASTING IN HD JUST FINE, WITH NO PROBLEMS. EVEN THE AM STATIONS. SO WHAT IS YOUR BIG DEAL? THE BEST PART ABOUT HD-RADIO IS THAT THEY CAN STILL BROADCAST ANALOG AND HD ON THE SAME SIGNAL, SO THEY WONT HALF TO CUT OFF THE ANALOG, OR AT LEAST ANYTIME SOON. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HD-RADIO. I THINK ITS GREAT BECAUSE YOU CAN ALSO GET THE HD-2 AND 3 CHANNELS, MORE CHOICES!!!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD Radio is known to suffer from adjacent-channel interference and only has 60% coverage of analog. Since IBOC is not approved for nighttime AM, then how can you say you are truly DXing (I don't consider FM, or daytime AM in the realm of DXing). Maybe you are DXing IBOC (oxymoron), but IBOC clearly doesn't have the coverage of analog (remember, when the IBOC signal drops out, the analog signal kicks in).

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"I THINK ITS GREAT BECAUSE YOU CAN ALSO GET THE HD-2 AND 3 CHANNELS, MORE CHOICES!!!"

To be fair only on the FM's do you get more then one stream. On AM you do get both analogue and one digital stream. I like IBOC because it uses today's technology to allow broadcasters to bring new and better forms of content delivery to it's audience onn AM and more varied programing to FM. WNYC FM in NYC is running their WNYC AM content as a HD 3 stream. It sounds fabulous.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

If you are enjoying HD Radio, then that's good. I am an AM DX'er and know that nighttime IBOC will kill that hobby. With HD Radio, the content is still pushed on the listener, and I am not impressed with a lot of the garbage on terrestrial radio these days - I listen some to Scott Sloan WLW, Coast to Coast AM, and some others, but the variety and quality is really lacking.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

OK, valid point. First, why don't you listen to WLW via the internet? You can hear what you want without fading. WOR runs their IBOC generator until 6 PM at this time of year. I can hear WLW in a NY suburb (25 miles from WOR's 50 KW transmitter) on my receptor while WOR has its exciter operating. I'd suggest if you are havng first adjacent problems that you purchase a more selective radio.

 

[DanCon]

SayNo opposes HD Radio in general and Ibiquity in particular because he opposes IBOC digital on AM. You would rather see Kahn's analog-digital hybrid CAM-D AM Stereo system get adopted as the standard on AM, isn't that right Brian?

Well why don't you just say so? You know, you might just find you get more support for your cause that way than you do by anonymously ranting against HD radio in general and cluttering up message boards with your anti-Ibiquity tirades. The fact is that Ibiquity's system on *FM* isn't bad. It sounds good and provides additional channels of programming, and because of that it has a lot of support. On AM, the jury's still out. Broadcasters need to improve the quality of their AM stations in order to remain competitive, but there is still some debate about whether AM IBOC is the answer. So why not create one single topic on the message board and use it to focus on that instead of painting everything by Ibiquity with the same brush? I know you can present a convincing argument if you put your mind to it, but nobody is going to listen to you as long as you keep acting like a lunatic.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"Well why don't you just say so? You know, you might just find you get more support for your cause that way than you do by anonymously ranting against HD radio in general and cluttering up message boards with your anti-Ibiquity tirades. The fact is that Ibiquity's system on *FM* isn't bad. It sounds good and provides additional channels of programming, and because of that it has a lot of support. On AM, the jury's still out. Broadcasters need to improve the quality of their AM stations in order to remain competitive, but there is still some debate about whether AM IBOC is the answer. So why not create one single topic on the message board and use it to focus on that instead of painting everything by Ibiquity with the same brush? I know you can present a convincing argument if you put your mind to it, but nobody is going to listen to you as long as you keep acting like a lunatic."

Well, no one really asked. As far as acting like a lunatic, every time I post some link, you all try and turn it into an emtional issue. I don't consider posting links, acting in a tirade - the replies are hostile, so you get hostility in return. IBOC will not improve "quality", making programming content interesting will. iBiquity should be painted as the bad guy, look what IBOC is doing to the broadcast bands with adjacent-channel interference and poor propagation. I am not really here to look for support, or debate, because it will all boil down to whether the public is interested in HD Radio, and by the looks of the sales rankings on Amazon for the Receptor HD, the public could care less - well-written, truthful reviews on Amazon will have a definate impact (as already shown). If you would care to have sane debates, then fine, but EVERYONE needs to stop acting like lunatics (name-calling, posting Amazon reviews as a direct attack, threats, and acting like children).

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"OK, valid point. First, why don't you listen to WLW via the internet? You can hear what you want without fading. WOR runs their IBOC generator until 6 PM at this time of year. I can hear WLW in a NY suburb (25 miles from WOR's 50 KW transmitter) on my receptor while WOR has its exciter operating. I'd suggest if you are havng first adjacent problems that you purchase a more selective radio."

I grew up with a Knight Kit Star Roamer, then a DX-440 and was hooked on DXing. I just listen at night, and it is my understanding that stations are not allowed to run IBOC, at that time, so it doesn't affect me yet. I am in Maryland and can get as far West as WHO 1040, South to 870 WWL, and North to Monteal/Quebec - I am sure IBOC would kill that ! I had the piece of junk Grundig S350, but returned it for a cheapo RS PLL AM/FM receiver (works just as well), plus listen to the above at 5:00 AM on the way to work in Northern Virgina. Actually, having grown up a SWL, I enjoy the fading and static.

But more bad news - the Receptor HD is back up to 7,100 in Amazon's electronic sales rankings.

 

[1q2w3e]

I hope to GOD that SayNo really isnt Brian. Brian must be at least in his 30's, and would not expect such sophomoric dribble to come from someone of this age.

Dan, I have been a DXer since I was 5 (believe it or not). I used to oppose HD Radio. But then I began to understand what it could for radio. HD radio does not take away DXing. It changes it yes. But life goes on. We all must adapt.

SayNo opposes HD Radio in general and Ibiquity in particular because he opposes IBOC digital on AM. You would rather see Kahn's analog-digital hybrid CAM-D AM Stereo system get adopted as the standard on AM, isn't that right Brian?

Well why don't you just say so? You know, you might just find you get more support for your cause that way than you do by anonymously ranting against HD radio in general and cluttering up message boards with your anti-Ibiquity tirades. The fact is that Ibiquity's system on *FM* isn't bad. It sounds good and provides additional channels of programming, and because of that it has a lot of support. On AM, the jury's still out. Broadcasters need to improve the quality of their AM stations in order to remain competitive, but there is still some debate about whether AM IBOC is the answer. So why not create one single topic on the message board and use it to focus on that instead of painting everything by Ibiquity with the same brush? I know you can present a convincing argument if you put your mind to it, but nobody is going to listen to you as long as you keep acting like a lunatic.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"I hope to GOD that SayNo really isnt Brian. Brian must be at least in his 30's, and would not expect such sophomoric dribble to come from someone of this age.

Dan, I have been a DXer since I was 5 (believe it or not). I used to oppose HD Radio. But then I began to understand what it could for radio. HD radio does not take away DXing. It changes it yes. But life goes on. We all must adapt."

It is a known fact that IBOC causes adjacent-channel interference and has poor propagation properties. Looks like life will go on without HD Radio/IBOC - there is virtually no public interest. Do you really think, with the likes of Wi-Max, Wi-Fi Radio, iRadio, Wireless Internet, Internet Radio, iPods, etc, that there is going to be any significant interest in HD Radio ! Wait until 2008, when Wi-Max enables Internet Radio in portable devices and automobile radios ! You really think anyone cares about lousy desktop, or automobile HD Radios !

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"Do you really think, with the likes of Wi-Max, Wi-Fi Radio, iRadio, Wireless Internet, Internet Radio, iPods, etc, that there is going to be any significant interest in HD Radio !"

Yes and I'll tell you why. Take a look at cable TV as an indication of what can be expected of radio in the future. While the BIG 3 television networks no longer own 50% or more of the overall market, they still to this day far exceed any of the competition from cable networks. CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox etc have much larger audience numbers because they have the programs which people want to watch. The 3 network newscasts have a huge viewership which dwarfs any of the 24 hour cable news networks. Both XM & Sirius get much of their news and sports from old line radio network syndication. I know because we supply many programs to both XM and sirius. Sure you can have a internet operator who gets 5 or 10 thousand people but compared with what a big stations get it's peanuts. WFAN for instance (a NYC sports station) get's hundreds of thousands of hits as well as millions of listeners weekly. I keep hearing that good programing is what people want to hear. Well as much as these small operators want to become mass appeal, it's not going to happen. When you compare what is being offered on a major market broadcast facility to something someone produces from inside their home, the comparisons become laughable. It's sad to say but also true. For instance playing old radio programs is not exactly something that interests many younger/saleable people and unless you are creating these programs yourself you are using other peoples creative talents for your own benefit.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"Yes and I'll tell you why. Take a look at cable TV as an indication of what can be expected of radio in the future. While the BIG 3 television networks no longer own 50% or more of the overall market, they still to this day far exceed any of the competition from cable networks. CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox etc have much larger audience numbers because they have the programs which people want to watch. The 3 network newscasts have a huge viewership which dwarfs any of the 24 hour cable news networks. Both XM & Sirius get much of their news and sports from old line radio network syndication. I know because we supply many programs to both XM and sirius. Sure you can have a internet operator who gets 5 or 10 thousand people but compared with what a big stations get it's peanuts. WFAN for instance (a NYC sports station) get's hundreds of thousands of hits as well as millions of listeners weekly. I keep hearing that good programing is what people want to hear. Well as much as these small operators want to become mass appeal, it's not going to happen. When you compare what is being offered on a major market broadcast facility to something someone produces from inside their home, the comparisons become laughable. It's sad to say but also true. For instance playing old radio programs is not exactly something that interests many younger/saleable people and unless you are creating these programs yourself you are using other peoples creative talents for your own benefit."

This is dribble, and doesn't address the question. There is no way HD Radio is going to be able to compete with Wi-Max bringing Wireless Internet, Wi-Fi, Internet Radio, and iRadio everywhere - just look at the Bridge Ratings, then look at the Receptor HD's ranking on Amazon. You are really in denial !

 

[autopaint-1]

And you sir have no proof of what you are saying. C'mon Brian, now that we know you for what you are try to act like an adult instead of an angry 30 something and face facts. You need talent to attract and keep an audience and as of now and into the future traditional broadcasters have the talent and the pockets to keep its audience. If you don't want to face facts that's fine but if you won't admit this you might as well claim the sky is green.

 

[davideduardo]

And you sir have no proof of what you are saying. C'mon Brian, now that we know you for what you are try to act like an adult instead of an angry 30 something and face facts.

I mus thave missed something... who is Brian?

 

[autopaint-1]

Brian is the guy you just called brian and I have doen a cut and paste to show you;
read that there will be a charge for HD Radio.

--->>> Keep reading. You might develop an ability to actrually understand, Brian.

OK?

 

[davideduardo]

Brian is the guy you just called brian and I have doen a cut and paste to show you;
read that there will be a charge for HD Radio.

--->>> Keep reading. You might develop an ability to actrually understand, Brian.

OK?

NOt entirely. I called him Brian because others did, to see if it got a reaction. I still do not know WHO Brian is. Is he a new entity, or an old poster?

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Yesterday a very interesting post was made in which at least one of the IBOC opponents was tied to WBDH, a flea power part 15 operation which also streams their unlicensed radio shows on the internet. The site has a anti IBOC page which is basically word for word what we read from an individule who posts in here. The owner is a guy who's first name is Brian. This was brought up yesterday and that is the Brian I thought you were referring to.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

And you sir have no proof of what you are saying. C'mon Brian, now that we know you for what you are try to act like an adult instead of an angry 30 something and face facts. You need talent to attract and keep an audience and as of now and into the future traditional broadcasters have the talent and the pockets to keep its audience. If you don't want to face facts that's fine but if you won't admit this you might as well claim the sky is green.

Hmm. Big media has been laying off talent to expand evecutive perks, increase shareholder value/dividends and to make the HD Radio transition. How do massive layoffs increase talent? :
Are you saying the unemployed are more talented then those working for big media companies?

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"You need talent to attract and keep an audience and as of now and into the future traditional broadcasters have the talent and the pockets to keep its audience"

Where in this sentence which you hilighted does it say that those layed off are more talented than those still employed.

I agree that broadcasters as well as other US companies play to Wall Street to the detriment of the public. What you're seeing however is that they play to Wall Street to benefit stock holders in general. Now maybe you'll see one of the reasons unions were formed.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

"You need talent to attract and keep an audience and as of now and into the future traditional broadcasters have the talent and the pockets to keep its audience"

Where in this sentence which you hilighted does it say that those layed off are more talented than those still employed.

I agree that broadcasters as well as other US companies play to Wall Street to the detriment of the public. What you're seeing however is that they play to Wall Street to benefit stock holders in general. Now maybe you'll see one of the reasons unions were formed.

Unions are shrinking, jobs moving overseas, employment of underpaid illegal immigrants
encouraged, benefits are being cut, salories are static or declining, talent laid off or disparaged.
To be powerful and successful, unions must have a large numbers of cooperating members. The trend is in the other direction. So where is the additional talent you claim is necessary for it's success going to come from?
The large media companies are laying off to make way for automated or networked HD Radio. Not hiring to create more and better local programming for HD. They are ditching unions and members (and have been for decades), not encouraging and embracing them.