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My question, though, is whether the rights holders are OK with the current ratings at this point in the contract with the NHL.

I would imagine the ESPN games get better numbers than NBC Sports Channel. The Turner games might get more viewership than NBCSN too. The ESPN+ games are probably bad.

But I think the reason they did the deal was for money, not ratings. What other choices do they have?
 
I would imagine the ESPN games get better numbers than NBC Sports Channel. The Turner games might get more viewership than NBCSN too. The ESPN+ games are probably bad.

But I think the reason they did the deal was for money, not ratings. What other choices do they have?
Well, of course. Any rights money the NHL is getting from Disney and Turner probably beats what it could get from the barely detectable CBS Sports Network, and definitely beats paying for air time while trying to sell its own advertising. The ESPN+ deal is primarily there to get regular season games to the teams' out-of-market fans, so whatever Disney makes on them in the playoffs is gravy.
 
The ESPN+ deal is primarily there to get regular season games to the teams' out-of-market fans, so whatever Disney makes on them in the playoffs is gravy.

I don't subscribe to ESPN+, so I don't know what's there. AFAIK, the NHL playoffs are either on ESPN or Turner, not ESPN+.

I think the reason they put regular season games on ESPN+ was to give people like me a reason to subscribe. It didn't work.
 
I don't subscribe to ESPN+, so I don't know what's there. AFAIK, the NHL playoffs are either on ESPN or Turner, not ESPN+
You don't have to be a subscriber to look at a given night's schedule. Here's what viewers to ESPN+ had a choice of a couple of Saturdays ago. Scroll down to "ice hockey" and you'll see that three NHL playoff games were available that night on the Plus.


And here's last Saturday's lineup:


As you can see, ESPN+ offers a whole lot of content for that 10 bucks a month its subscribers pay. Some of it is ultra-niche and must get 100 or less viewers for each telecast, but hey, if there are 100 VCU alumni who want to see their baseball team play Richmond, and another hundred English expats from Sunderland who want to see their favorite soccer team play Luton Town, that's 200 people paying $10 a month to Disney.
 
You don't have to be a subscriber to look at a given night's schedule. Here's what viewers to ESPN+ had a choice of a couple of Saturdays ago. Scroll down to "ice hockey" and you'll see that three NHL playoff games were available that night on the Plus.

Those games were also on Turner. They're taking the local team feeds.
 
Those games were also on Turner. They're taking the local team feeds.
True. And now that we're at the conference final (i.e., semifinal) stage, the games disappear from ESPN+. Tomorrow's schedule:

But still, having the local feeds on ESPN+ provided a way for out-of-market fans of the participating teams to enjoy their familiar home announcers, more knowledgeable about their teams than the networks' jacks-of-all-trades/masters-of-none. The big "plus" for the Plus, though, is that a cable subscription is no longer required for ESPN+ subscriptions. All that's required is internet service through a partner provider, and all the major ISPs (including Comcast) are on board.
 
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But still, having the local feeds on ESPN+ provided a way for out-of-market fans of the participating fans to enjoy their familiar home announcers, more knowledgeable about their teams than the networks' jacks-of-all-trades/masters-of-none.

I get that, and if I was that big a fan, I might be interested. But I get what I need through RSNs, ESPN, Turner, and the NHL Channel.

MLB offers that directly, and also offers team-specific subscriptions. If that was also on ESPN+. I might be interested. Might.

Overall, it's interesting to see Turner stay so involved in PBP sports at a time when the company is struggling.
 
I get that, and if I was that big a fan, I might be interested. But I get what I need through RSNs, ESPN, Turner, and the NHL Channel.

MLB offers that directly, and also offers team-specific subscriptions. If that was also on ESPN+. I might be interested. Might.

Overall, it's interesting to see Turner stay so involved in PBP sports at a time when the company is struggling.
Turner needs sports more than the leagues need them. TNT/TBS without sports would just be another place for syndicated shows. I wish they could ink a deal with the PAC 12 to give them some sort of CFB presence
 
Turner needs sports more than the leagues need them. TNT/TBS without sports would just be another place for syndicated shows. I wish they could ink a deal with the PAC 12 to give them some sort of CFB presence
The two important (read: Los Angeles) schools are headed for the Big Ten in a couple of years. The PAC-12 conference becomes a mid-major the day that happens. Four of the others (both Arizona schools plus Oregon and Washington) may join the Big 12, putting another nail in the PAC-12 coffin. I can see a merger with the Mountain West in the future.
 
The two important (read: Los Angeles) schools are headed for the Big Ten in a couple of years. The PAC-12 conference becomes a mid-major the day that happens. Four of the others (both Arizona schools plus Oregon and Washington) may join the Big 12, putting another nail in the PAC-12 coffin. I can see a merger with the Mountain West in the future.
So, someday, we may see a Michigan-Wyoming or Ohio State-San Jose State Rose Bowl! The future's so bright ...
 
Through the roof in Canada, but about the same in the U.S. as they will be starting this week with the Panthers, Hurricanes, Stars and Knights. The NHL in the U.S. is still very regional, very home-market centered.
Canadians watch the Stanley Cup playoffs only when there is Canadian interest. Once the last Canadian team is eliminated, the Canadian viewership of the CBC's coverage drops dramatically.
 
So, someday, we may see a Michigan-Wyoming or Ohio State-San Jose State Rose Bowl! The future's so bright ...
The Rose Bowl likely will drop the PAC-12 once the LA schools leave. I can see the Big 12 taking their place.
 
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Turner needs sports more than the leagues need them. TNT/TBS without sports would just be another place for syndicated shows. I wish they could ink a deal with the PAC 12 to give them some sort of CFB presence
We just need a Turner Sports Network. Also Game on CBS because some people don't get TNt/TBS same with ABC. Heck Stuidio Crews aren't live at Conference Finals in either Sports same with NBATV/NHL Network.
 
Canadians watch the Stanley Cup playoffs only when there is Canadian interest. Once the last Canadian team is eliminated, the Canadian viewership of the CBC's coverage drops dramatically.
Have you got stats to back that up? After all, hockey is Canada's national sport and there are a majority of Canadian players in the league compared to players from every other nation (even though sometimes it feels like "our" Russians versus "their" Russians).

Canadians have watched their players all the way from local rinks through the juniors to the farm clubs to the big show. They adore their players as America used to worship our baseball players back in the 50's.
 
Have you got stats to back that up? After all, hockey is Canada's national sport and there are a majority of Canadian players in the league compared to players from every other nation (even though sometimes it feels like "our" Russians versus "their" Russians).

Canadians have watched their players all the way from local rinks through the juniors to the farm clubs to the big show. They adore their players as America used to worship our baseball players back in the 50's.
According to this list on Wikipedia, since 2011, with the exception of Game 7 of the 2019 Stanley Cup Final, all of the annual top 10 most watched Stanley Cup playoff games included Canadian teams.
 
Have you got stats to back that up? After all, hockey is Canada's national sport and there are a majority of Canadian players in the league compared to players from every other nation (even though sometimes it feels like "our" Russians versus "their" Russians).

Canadians have watched their players all the way from local rinks through the juniors to the farm clubs to the big show. They adore their players as America used to worship our baseball players back in the 50's.
This is why the Major Junior leagues (WHL, OHL, QMJHL all with 16-20 year-olds) are so popular in Canada…it is essentially their equivalent of American college football. The games are fun to watch as they include the best young players who will go on to be stars in the NHL.
 
According to this list on Wikipedia, since 2011, with the exception of Game 7 of the 2019 Stanley Cup Final, all of the annual top 10 most watched Stanley Cup playoff games included Canadian teams.
Yes, but that does not prove your point. You said that Canadian viewership declines significantly if no Canadian team is playing. This list does not show that, in fact, the inverse.
 
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