Hollywood Squares 70s Version

[nativeatlanta]

I been watching episodes of Hollywood Squares with Peter Marshall as host on youtube. Most of the episodes are the night time syndication version. Any episodes of NBC Daytime Version available to view or where those episodes taped over to save money?

 

[RadioMan203]

If I recall correctly, Hulu's collection of Hollywood Squares episodes are the nighttime / syndie episodes as well.

 

[anotherguyTN]

The conventional wisdom is that the daytime episodes from the entire original run ('66-'80) would've been wiped because: (a.) NBC probably was the last network to end wiping (ironically, around '80); and (b.) unlike, say, Goodson-Todman, Heatter-Quigley really didn't try to save its shows. (There's even some speculation that the bulk of the '80s [U.S.] Sale of the Century wasn't preserved by Reg Grundy.)

NBC has the worst reputation of destroying shows, including the early years of Johnny Carson's Tonight Shows. Most shows that were live on NBC were destroyed unless their producers saved copies.

GSN is showing episodes of the 80's Sale of the Century, but I don't know how much they have.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

I thought that a few years ago, some color tapes of "Hollywood Squares" episodes from around 1968 and 1969 (mostly the short-lived NBC prime-time version from 1968) turned up and were subsequently rebroadcast on GSN.

 

[onairb]

Supposedly, in addition to the full syndicated run, GSN has a couple hundred of the few thousand episodes of the NBC run. I think they have all the 1968 nighttime episodes, and maybe the last two years of the daytime, which would mean the bulk of that would be without Paul Lynde, who left the daytime show in the summer of '79.
(Supposedly, NBC stopped 'wiping' shows in 1978, even though they seem to have quite a bit of Johnny Carson from 1975 onwards).

 

[MCarney]

They have Carson's shows because he had tape preservation put in his contract. He was upset that there was not a lot of material when he went to put together a 10th anniversary show.

 

[bpatrick]

Heatter-Quigley did save "Gambit" because several stations reran
it in the summer of 1978. I assume they wanted to follow Jack Barry
and Dan Enright's lead with "The Joker's Wild"; the reruns of that show
did well enough to put it back into production in 1977. "Gambit" did
return as "Las Vegas Gambit" in 1980 (and, in modified form, as "Catch 21"
on GSN).

"Joker" and "Gambit" were originally on CBS, the network I think has done
the best job of preserving its daytime games (with a tip of the fedora to
Mark Goodson with "Match Game" and "Tattletales" in particular, not to mention
his classics from the '50s such as "What's My Line?," "Beat The Clock," "I've
Got A Secret, "To Tell The Truth," "The Name's The Same," and "Two For The Money.")

 

[Ultimajock]

They have Carson's shows because he had tape preservation put in his contract. He was upset that there was not a lot of material when he went to put together a 10th anniversary show.

...neither were the Steve Allen, Ernie Kovacs or Jack Paar versions of Tonight preserved by NBC; apparently, most of what does survive of Steve Allen's 1950s run with NBC is the Sunday night Steve Allen Show that went up against The Ed Sullivan Show on CBS and Maverick on ABC, and that's mainly because Allen's Meadowlark Productions partly owned that show and Allen held onto at least one kinescope of each episode. Apparently, only two kinnies of Kovacs' Autumn 1956 Monday-Tuesday Tonight run are known to exist. Paar's main body of surviving video is reference kinescopes of The Jack Paar Program, the Friday night prime time series (that was almost identical in format to Tonight) that Paar owned outright...

 

[ShawnHill1]

As mentioned, Mark Goodson(-Bill Todman) Productions did the best in preserving their material; I've read that Goodson, for a brief period in the 1990s, used CBS Television City as a place to re-dub the master copies of several shows of their shows, with the original sets going to back Goodson, the others going to GSN just as they were about to launch.

Here's some of the info here...
http://www.j-shea.com/TVCity/History.html (two-thirds of the way down)

 

[cwf1701]

If i remember, GSN aired a 1977 Storybook squares Episode back when they had they ran the original Hollywood Squares (in 2002). If the stories of while looking for Episodes of Dark Shadows and finding a large number of tapes of Hollywood Squares are true, there could be as many as 2000-3000 episodes of the 1966 daytime Hollywood squares that may have escaped erasing.

 

[RadioMan203]

If the stories of while looking for Episodes of Dark Shadows and finding a large number of tapes of Hollywood Squares are true, there could be as many as 2000-3000 episodes of the 1966 daytime Hollywood squares that may have escaped erasing.

If GSN or somebody would just air them, I'd be happy.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Preerving Johnny Carson Tapes (Was: Re: Hollywood Squares 70s Version)

They have Carson's shows because he had tape preservation put in his contract. He was upset that there was not a lot of material when he went to put together a 10th anniversary show.

I may well be wrong, but I thought that the first time Johnny Carson had a "Tonight" anniversary clip show was in 1967, when he celebrated his fifth anniversary as host.

Supposedly, that show may have survived and that virtually all the pre-1967 "Tonight" clips in subsequent anniversary shows may have been from clips in that show.

But I don't think Johnny did another anniversary show until 1972, and then did them annually after that (with the anniversary shows being in prime-time from 1979 through 1991).

 

[stevations]

What was the difference about the daytime and night version of the Hollywood Squares? Did they censor more in the evening since it was on around 7pm? I think people wore better clothes at night. For some reason I thought the morning show was funnier and more laid back. There is a vinyl record album of Zingers from years ago. Even hearing the morning shows (audio) without video would be great but I know even audio tape was expensive back then.

 

[azumanga]

The nighttime version had more expensive prizes, plus each round was a "Secret Square" round.

 

[onairb]

Did the daytime version have games 'carry over' from the end of one day (or week) to the next? I know many daytime shows did this, while the nighttime versions did not.

 

[cwf1701]

Did the daytime version have games 'carry over' from the end of one day (or week) to the next? I know many daytime shows did this, while the nighttime versions did not.

The 1966-80 daytime version games carried over from end of the day and week except for the special weeks (Tournament of champions, Storybook Squares week).

 

[SCart79]

There are a few Hollywood Squares daytime episodes from 1979 and 1980 on YouTube.

Interesting note: Fred Silverman was in charge of CBS Daytime programming in the mid-1960s. Silverman passed on Hollywood Squares. Then, Squares was acquired by NBC in 1966. Fast forward to 1980 and Silverman is President of Programming at struggling NBC. He cancels Squares for a little-known daytime talk show entitled The David Letterman Show.

 

[Kurt Toy]

Who besides Goodson-Todman [and successor Mark Goodson Productions] has done the best to preserve reruns of game shows?

 

[anotherguyTN]

Concerning Johnny Carson's Tonight shows, I was watching part of the PBS American Masters special on Carson that is now on Netflix, and they were showing how that the thousands of his shows that have been kept since the 70's were stored in a salt mine underground. Once Carson gained control of the show he definitely did more to preserve them than NBC ever did with anything they ever had, probably before or since.

Even now, is it more in control of the networks or the producers of shows on how they are preserved? I'd guess that even now the networks only preserve shows that they actually own, and the producers of other shows are resonsible for their own shows, but they're more responsible in preserving them now.

Which brings up another question: In the cases of shows that were total flops and may have only run a few episodes, do the producers actually preserve those shows, even if there will be no demand for them? I'm thinking of episodes of things like reality shows that were such flops that they only ran one or two episodes. Something like this to me probably isn't worth keeping.

 

[onairb]

Were any of the infamous 'cancelled after one episode' shows saved?(Besides 'You're In the Picture')