Can these two snapperheads get any worse? I heard they had a 'Hug Bowl' the other day! These guys are college radio goofballs! How in God's name this show is still on the air 'God' only knows. I predict 'Broomhead' will sweep them up and take them to the trash!
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Holy Snowballs! Mac and Gaydos
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Can these two snapperheads get any worse? I heard they had a 'Hug Bowl' the other day! These guys are college radio goofballs! How in God's name this show is still on the air 'God' only knows. I predict 'Broomhead' will sweep them up and take them to the trash!
mouse in the house said:
The Nurse and I'll go with the Snapperheads and cover the spread. After three hours of Hannity haranguing on KFWhyEye, Broomhandle simply piles on three more. Dumber and Dumbest are a great sophomoric alternative to more of the same old, same old, same old, same old on 5~Fifty!
Toaster Talk - The Next Generation.
With the move to FM, they're no longer targeting Aunt Edna and Uncle Frank in Sun City, but they are going after their daughter in Gilbert when she gets tired of the housewife rock on 99.9. There's really little substantive difference between Pat McMahon and Mac/Gaydos. They may be younger (certainly not "hipper"), but it's still plain-vanilla Toaster Talk.
With the move to FM, they're no longer targeting Aunt Edna and Uncle Frank in Sun City, but they are going after their daughter in Gilbert when she gets tired of the housewife rock on 99.9. There's really little substantive difference between Pat McMahon and Mac/Gaydos. They may be younger (certainly not "hipper"), but it's still plain-vanilla Toaster Talk.
Its an amazingly stupid show, but Broomhead's pissed off white guy show isn't much better.
I had coffee with one of the Valley's best and original radio personalities today and he asked me if i thought there was anyone on the air today here locally I would consider compelling and memorable. I was about to say no, when I thought of Larry Gaydos...he's not at the level of Stern, Phil Hendrie or even (urp) Rush, but he IS entertaining and memorable....Mac, not so much, although he gives Gaydos what he sorely needs...someone to bounce off of. Gaydos was tougher to listen to when he was by himself.
If I were PD of the world (and I am far from it), I would give Gaydos PM Drive, install a strong female sidekick and let the guy riff.
Just sayin'.
Talk radio in this town needs fewer screaming political idealogues and more entertainers...either that or die along with the 45-death listeners who value that kind of boring straight political sturm und drang.
If I were PD of the world (and I am far from it), I would give Gaydos PM Drive, install a strong female sidekick and let the guy riff.
Just sayin'.
Talk radio in this town needs fewer screaming political idealogues and more entertainers...either that or die along with the 45-death listeners who value that kind of boring straight political sturm und drang.
It may rain tomorrow, which could result in the Mac-and-GAYdos wall to wall "is it raining where you are-a-thon". I must say, no one can work people into a panic more about rain and wind than those two!
Seriously, from a mechanical and technical perspective the show is market 200, from a content perspective, it's market 300 circa 1981. "Toaster Talk, the Next Generation" adequately describes the show. Talk radio in Phoenix has only gotten worse in the last several years.
There's nothing wrong with political talk if it's done in an entertaining fashion, it doesn't have to be shtick hour either. Many people fail to realize that you don't have to do shtick or give time checks every 3 minutes to be a good "personality". There's little reason to listen to KT'R these days without Phil Hendrie... aside from the Lovable One, name a compelling show KT'R has that's local... Bonneville Employees should refrain from answering.
Seriously, from a mechanical and technical perspective the show is market 200, from a content perspective, it's market 300 circa 1981. "Toaster Talk, the Next Generation" adequately describes the show. Talk radio in Phoenix has only gotten worse in the last several years.
There's nothing wrong with political talk if it's done in an entertaining fashion, it doesn't have to be shtick hour either. Many people fail to realize that you don't have to do shtick or give time checks every 3 minutes to be a good "personality". There's little reason to listen to KT'R these days without Phil Hendrie... aside from the Lovable One, name a compelling show KT'R has that's local... Bonneville Employees should refrain from answering.
KMGX said:
Phil Hendrie does not work in Phoenix. Every station that has carried him (KFWhyEye, KGME, KT'R) has dumped him. Radio people like him, but Valley listeners don't.
Aunt Carlos...darned better than Pat McBland and given what he's up against, does a pretty good job.
Dumber and Dumbest....again, most radio people hate 'em, but Valley listeners don't.
Joe Crummey....don't care if he's sitting in his underwear in El Lay, the Evil One does great radio.
[size=6pt]fine print: Neither Nurse Jeff nor Dr. Akbar are employed by TMISU, but are uniquely qualified to know the difference between a hole in their ground and their own rear ends!
KeithE4 said:
And they rarely (if ever) talk about the actual news of the day anymore. Shouldn't drive-time talk radio hosts talk about the stories of the day?
Yeah, but Dave freaking Ramsey?
He redefines white trash hillbilly radio with each minute. Stupid show for Cleetus and Lurlene with tips on how to make next month's trailer payment.
KTAR blows these days, so does KFYI, and KKNT can KMA for putting Dennis Miller in Siberia and replacing him with a nasal screaming moron.
I listen to so much less PHX radio these days, now that I have an app on my blackberry, I can listen to Radio Free Phoenix in my car, and all the commercial stations have lost a nice good listener in a key demo.
He redefines white trash hillbilly radio with each minute. Stupid show for Cleetus and Lurlene with tips on how to make next month's trailer payment.
KTAR blows these days, so does KFYI, and KKNT can KMA for putting Dennis Miller in Siberia and replacing him with a nasal screaming moron.
I listen to so much less PHX radio these days, now that I have an app on my blackberry, I can listen to Radio Free Phoenix in my car, and all the commercial stations have lost a nice good listener in a key demo.
This is not a comment on any particular show but on terrestrial radio in general. We can blame our own industry. By eliminating live radio, we have taken away opportunities for young talent to grow and improve. For example, overnight shows used to be a fertile training ground for future personalities. Today, terrestrial radio is not often represented by the top talent that our industry has to offer, but instead by lesser talent willing to work for lower salaries. Today’s radio is driven by budget crunching. However, listeners are very smart and quite aware of the diluted product. Terrestrial radio is slowly committing suicide. Who can forget the NFL scabs? They wore the same uniforms as the star players and played in the same stadiums, but the fans weren’t fooled. Soon, NFL owners were forced to bring back top level talent to attract a bigger audience.
Dave Pratt said:
They still are -- only, when the talent succeeds in the spot, that's where they stay. Look at, f'rinstance, poor Bret Vesely at the station listeners of a certain age still associate you with, stuck in the overnights for, what, a decade now?
Sadly, every minute a station is on-air now in a major (or, in the case of PHX, semi-major) market is a minute it has to be making money. There's no time to try out new personalities in the big-time; they all have to come in from the sticks, and they all have to stick right away. (Which is pretty much the way it was before the 1980s.)
Dave Pratt said:
But people have, for the most part, nowhere to go in the most listening-intensive portions of the day. For the vast bulk of the population, podcasts, wi-fi and other streaming devices, and MP3 players simply aren't gonna make it during drive-time (too difficult to use while behind the wheel), while satrad has been utterly neutered over the past fifteen months. Listeners may be aware of the bad product, but they're still gonna choose from among the best of a bad bunch. PDs and station managers know they only have to make their station just a tiny bit less awful than the other guys' to be big winners.
And, let's face it, most listeners don't respond well to truly creative and talented presentation. They simply don't know what to do with something fresh or unusual, aside from spin on past. (And the few who do "get it" have long since moved past waiting around for something interesting to come their way, so such efforts fall on the audience that isn't any longer listening.) All they want is someone to spin "Brown Eyed Girl" or "Since You've Been Gone" or "Gaga Romance" once an hour and to Heck with challenging their rotted brains.
Dr. Akbar said:
Couldn't disagree with you more Doc. Phil Hendrie actually does ORIGINAL radio with an ORIGINAL concept. He's on in a partially unrated daypart, so you can't really make the claim that valley listeners do or do not like his show. The fact that the show was on KGME is just an example of program directors that don't really know the format well enough. Sports radio listeners want sports, period.
As for Joe Crummey? You really think he does great radio? The affected voice and the 1982-style of talk radio where he throws out a question and expects a regurgitated answer? That's good? Sorry... I suppose I set somewhat high standards for the business. Which brings me to Dave Pratt's point...
A-fricken-men to you sir! This is what I've been saying for years as well. Terrestrial radio replaced personality with voice tracks and serving the community with bean-counting. Radio is no longer "hip" and is rather quickly losing it's relevance with the young demos. Every so often I bring up this point; walk into a high school anywhere in Phoenix and ask the students about their favorite radio shows... it's quite likely that most of them will give you a bewildered look as they don't really listen to radio much--if at all--anymore. Why is radio losing this relevance? Because they stopped caring about the product as much as the bottom line. Short-term versus Long-term. Radio is a dinosaur and other media--such as iPods, internet/streaming, satellite radio, etc are the comet soon to leave the dinosaur all but extinct. 30 million subscribers to satellite radio, hundreds of millions of downloads on iTunes, 20,000 internet stations all spell a slow necrosis for the radio biz.
Dave Pratt is a seasoned vet of this biz and has watched it morphed into this bastardization of what it once was... it's not about talent any longer, it's about hiring people that will work cheap and do as many jobs as possible.
Are you kidding? The turnover in radio has never been higher! People are wheeled in and out weekly it seems. I knew of a station or two in Phoenix that tried out prospective air-talent on Saturday or Sunday evenings but usually it came down to who would work at the lowest rate... talent has little to do with the business anymore, believe me I know.
Maybe, but is it a situation where radio dumbs itself down for the audience or is the audience dumbing down radio? (Or is it a combination of the two?) Seems to me that a reasonable listener wouldn't want to hear "Tik Tok" every 2 hours, but that's what the CHR's keep doing.
KMGX said:
hmmmm.....let's check out the powerhouse stations
clearing Hendrie http://www.philhendrieshow.com/Affiliates/PhilAffilliate.pdf He was so out of place on KFWhyEye, the Chickboss sent him to KGME where he was even more out of place. You'll have to ask the Master Blogger why he dumped Hendrie, but the Nurse and I think it's for the same reason.Listener's don't care about standards...and that's why Dumber and Dumbest work for KT'R. And yeah...we've been fans of Crummey for a long time in spite of his pukin' delivery. Nurse Jeff and I'll take him any day over Savage 'cause we're Eeeeeeeeeevil!
Hendrie's awesome, I don't know why people don't get him. ChickBoss didn't know everthing-Liddy and Hill proved that. Crummey and Savage are a draw, and sometimes Savage wins. I've always enjoyed Joe Crummey but he's strangely out of it lately. Like on a day a foreign head of state makes a threat against us, he'll do relationship questions or octomommmy stories. His vocal affectations are starting to sound like Tourette's.
ykw said:
Ah yes, the "suffering artist" disc jockey. "If the PD would just let me use my creativity instead of forcing me to read a bunch of liner cards and playing Lady Gaga every hour and fifteen."
Fact is, listeners will reward creative people with loyalty... but you have to give them what they came for. Can you do a creative bit without getting in the way of the rest of the station? If no, then you may be creative, but you also suck.
Without a farm team to play for, there's no place for people to go and suck while they learn how to be good. Because everybody sucks at some point in their career until they figure out how to do it right... Even the gods and goddesses of this industry have old airchecks that make them cringe.
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I'm not a huge fan of mac and gaydos either. But i have access to the ratings and i see why ktar has them on. The same with crummey and dave ramsey. The shows are all leading the ratings.
thenewz said:
I'd heard the Luvable One say that about Mac and Gaydos. I'm happy for Joe Crummey, especially after what KFYI did to him. I still wish Hendrie was on instead od Dave Ramsey.
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