97.5 will get covered up by WKAF's IBOC hash, just as it would've been covered by WTKK's on 97.1. Sure, 97.7 is a pretty weak station, but since most likely it'll be in the shadow of the blue hills, it's not going to get out very far at all. These guys must just be tuning around on a selective car radio, hearing what they think is static on 97.1 and 97.5 and thinking that they're completely open frequencies.
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Hot 97 Boston Coming Back This Fall!!!
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Yes it is a slap. What's the back-handed slap though is the F.C.C. seemingly taking no action. 103.1 in East Providence has been on for 4+ years (maybe since March 2002 even!) with no action against them!
What has taken some ingenuity is when a station networks Part 15 xmtrs. on the same frequency like the Spanish religious 1620 in New Jersey a few years ago. I don't think any action was tried against them because all of the transmitters were operating at Part 15 limits but there were about 16 of them! It covered a large area as I recall (maybe a few miles or the whole town!).
What has taken some ingenuity is when a station networks Part 15 xmtrs. on the same frequency like the Spanish religious 1620 in New Jersey a few years ago. I don't think any action was tried against them because all of the transmitters were operating at Part 15 limits but there were about 16 of them! It covered a large area as I recall (maybe a few miles or the whole town!).
N1WVQ said:Yes it is a slap. What's the back-handed slap though is the F.C.C. seemingly taking no action. 103.1 in East Providence has been on for 4+ years (maybe since March 2002 even!) with no action against them!
What has taken some ingenuity is when a station networks Part 15 xmtrs. on the same frequency like the Spanish religious 1620 in New Jersey a few years ago. I don't think any action was tried against them because all of the transmitters were operating at Part 15 limits but there were about 16 of them! It covered a large area as I recall (maybe a few miles or the whole town!).
There is nothing in the Part 15 rules that state transmitters can't be synched together and be running 5 or 6 from one location.. or spread them out and GPS lock them from multiple locations. Part 15 rules, on AM, are only concerned with the ERP of each transmitter.
Vacaville Christian School in Vacaville, California did it, they had 5 or 6 Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemasters on their roof, slaved together.
I thought it was some formula like 24,000/f(kHz) measured at 3 or 30m. What about those guys that couple their Part 15 xmtrs. into the power lines like a sort-of carrier current setup! I am not sure if that is legal but it's amazing what some have done on the gray area of the laws! I mean, I would think getting a bunch of Part 15 xmtrs. synced & within a few Hz of each other would be a major hassle! Yet, those dudes do it!
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Boston pirate radio is good for the Boston listeners ! Boston legal music stations S-CKS ! Look how many legal music station are cutting jobs away . Most listeners dont want to hear a tape ( automated crap ) or some trash ass D J's from who know where ( syndicated or voicetrack crap ) . 93.7 You call that a RADIO STATION ! I call it BULLSH_T ! FCC S-CKS ( Make the rules and then cant police the rules ). Does any of these so-called legal stations has anything to do with there COL ? 97.7 dont give a crap about Brocton. 93.7 dont give a sh-t about Lawrence. 107.3 dont give monkey a$$ about whatever city in central MA. 890 dont care about Dedham. Legal Radio is dead ! Pirate today and Pirate forever !
Funny story: 93.7 is my girlfriend's favorite radio station. It's the only one she'll listen to unless I'm on somewhere. Even then, I prefer A.M. radio & am down towards Providence so the odds are slim of her tuning in there. Anyway, the point is that while you don't like 93.7, there are people who do. You call it bovine excrement; my girlfriend calls it the only station worth listening to. She hates what they play on 94.5 (she's a rap purist & prefers the early-mid '90s & '80s), I doubt she listens to any of the classic rockers/hits/oldies/whatever stations (especially now since 2 of the Boston stations & 2 more in Providence are running Xmas music in mid-frickin'-November) unless we're in my car.
Pirate radio for me isn't good because when I'm leaving my girlfriend's house in East Bridgewater on Sunday morning, I have 89.3 as a preset. That's supposed to be WUMD: North Dartmouth. They play Jazz during that time. Instead I get another French/Haitian Creole pirate from Brockton. In East Providence on the weekends, 103.1 starts up jamming 103.3! There's also one down this way in Providence running the same language on 96.7, interfering with WTKK (I don't like talk radio on F.M., personally) & WTIC-FM (which my radio, I think, is the only one capable of hearing it. Still, I want to hear a licensed station from Hartford that nobody else around here can!).
Does 97.7 "give a crap" about Brockton? Does 106.3 care about Woonsocket? 1410 in Brockton cared about their community. 1410 tried to make a go at it in Spanish. They spent $1.7M on that place back in 2004. They wanted $750k recently before it went into receivership. WMSX was trying to serve their C.O.L. (or at least part of it) and, probably at least partly due to the pirates, that owner went out of business.
The F.C.C. is not only a paper tiger, they're impotent. I think they should be able to enforce the rules but anytime they write a station up the fines are usually reduced & in lesser circumstances, eliminated altogether! Yes, in their current form, they do suck! If I were an agent, I'd want to go fine stations if for no other reason than revenue enhancement! If after an initial letter they didn't cease, I'd be busting up pirates with the S.W.A.T. team like they did with a pirate in Tampa 10 years ago (102.1 the Party Pirate) then fining them $75k! But I wouldn't preclude them from ever owning a licensed station (I believe that's the case with a former pirate not being able to own an L.P.F.M.). WBCQ is an example. It was started in 1998 by former pirate Allan Weiner. It's been on for 10 years now broadcasting free speech programming to 3 continents on 4 frequencies.
I hate what radio has become. I tune in less & less. When I started in 1996, there were a lot more owners, seemingly more variety, etc.. I've worked for 2 of the Big C companies. The feeling I got there was not of evil, but something more hollow. Those stations were just hollow. I've had to line up voicetracks in Prophet at WFKS-FM in Jacksonville. I've sat in an empty studio at WQIK-FM in Jacksonville on the overnight shift while somebody else's voice played on air & my job was just to make sure there was enough music for the hour. Now do the listeners care? I'd like to think so. They're listening to less radio, watching less T.V. & reading less print. They've gotten tired of the old media & have new toys.
Think all radio is soulless & banal like the big stations? Check out WOON-Woonsocket, R.I. (www.on1240.com & www.onworldwide.com). They're doing it RIGHT! WOON is a Woonsocket-oriented station that carries the high school football & moreso, hockey, games; it carries local news & weather; it plays all sorts of music. They also don't turn their backs on Bellingham, Blackstone, Cumberland, Lincoln, Millville, North Smithfield or Smithfield.
They way to change things is internally rather than externally. Personally, in the years in between posts (your handle was "Real Deal Ed Beal Rapking" when I last posted en masse) I've seen you have a passion for urban music & WILD/1090 as they were. I used to have 1090 on my A.M. stereo car radio here in Providence which I could hear when I went to work near the state house (here in town, 1110 is too powerful). I took them off when they dropped stereo & flipped to talk. I haven't been back since. Now, $7M is too much for WILD, I agree. As I remember, that was the price a few years ago. With Radio One's current stock price you could give them 3 sticks of chewing gum & it'd be a fair trade. This may come across crass, but why don't you & all the pirates pool your money, get a loan & buy 1090? It has the heritage. It's waiting to come back. Radio One will be out of Boston (seemingly forever), R&B will be back on air (probably gospel, classic soul & Caribbean on Sunday again too) & hopefully so will C-QuAM stereo. Run a model station so the F.C.C. won't touch it, get a 2 share in the ratings & get the ads. Simple enough. Buy 1090. Go legit. There are enough stations out there. One will come sooner or later. Buy a licensed station. Remember, even if the F.C.C. isn't going to do anything, how do you justify income from a pirate station to the I.R.S.? They'll most definitely come after someone!
Pirate radio for me isn't good because when I'm leaving my girlfriend's house in East Bridgewater on Sunday morning, I have 89.3 as a preset. That's supposed to be WUMD: North Dartmouth. They play Jazz during that time. Instead I get another French/Haitian Creole pirate from Brockton. In East Providence on the weekends, 103.1 starts up jamming 103.3! There's also one down this way in Providence running the same language on 96.7, interfering with WTKK (I don't like talk radio on F.M., personally) & WTIC-FM (which my radio, I think, is the only one capable of hearing it. Still, I want to hear a licensed station from Hartford that nobody else around here can!).
Does 97.7 "give a crap" about Brockton? Does 106.3 care about Woonsocket? 1410 in Brockton cared about their community. 1410 tried to make a go at it in Spanish. They spent $1.7M on that place back in 2004. They wanted $750k recently before it went into receivership. WMSX was trying to serve their C.O.L. (or at least part of it) and, probably at least partly due to the pirates, that owner went out of business.
The F.C.C. is not only a paper tiger, they're impotent. I think they should be able to enforce the rules but anytime they write a station up the fines are usually reduced & in lesser circumstances, eliminated altogether! Yes, in their current form, they do suck! If I were an agent, I'd want to go fine stations if for no other reason than revenue enhancement! If after an initial letter they didn't cease, I'd be busting up pirates with the S.W.A.T. team like they did with a pirate in Tampa 10 years ago (102.1 the Party Pirate) then fining them $75k! But I wouldn't preclude them from ever owning a licensed station (I believe that's the case with a former pirate not being able to own an L.P.F.M.). WBCQ is an example. It was started in 1998 by former pirate Allan Weiner. It's been on for 10 years now broadcasting free speech programming to 3 continents on 4 frequencies.
I hate what radio has become. I tune in less & less. When I started in 1996, there were a lot more owners, seemingly more variety, etc.. I've worked for 2 of the Big C companies. The feeling I got there was not of evil, but something more hollow. Those stations were just hollow. I've had to line up voicetracks in Prophet at WFKS-FM in Jacksonville. I've sat in an empty studio at WQIK-FM in Jacksonville on the overnight shift while somebody else's voice played on air & my job was just to make sure there was enough music for the hour. Now do the listeners care? I'd like to think so. They're listening to less radio, watching less T.V. & reading less print. They've gotten tired of the old media & have new toys.
Think all radio is soulless & banal like the big stations? Check out WOON-Woonsocket, R.I. (www.on1240.com & www.onworldwide.com). They're doing it RIGHT! WOON is a Woonsocket-oriented station that carries the high school football & moreso, hockey, games; it carries local news & weather; it plays all sorts of music. They also don't turn their backs on Bellingham, Blackstone, Cumberland, Lincoln, Millville, North Smithfield or Smithfield.
They way to change things is internally rather than externally. Personally, in the years in between posts (your handle was "Real Deal Ed Beal Rapking" when I last posted en masse) I've seen you have a passion for urban music & WILD/1090 as they were. I used to have 1090 on my A.M. stereo car radio here in Providence which I could hear when I went to work near the state house (here in town, 1110 is too powerful). I took them off when they dropped stereo & flipped to talk. I haven't been back since. Now, $7M is too much for WILD, I agree. As I remember, that was the price a few years ago. With Radio One's current stock price you could give them 3 sticks of chewing gum & it'd be a fair trade. This may come across crass, but why don't you & all the pirates pool your money, get a loan & buy 1090? It has the heritage. It's waiting to come back. Radio One will be out of Boston (seemingly forever), R&B will be back on air (probably gospel, classic soul & Caribbean on Sunday again too) & hopefully so will C-QuAM stereo. Run a model station so the F.C.C. won't touch it, get a 2 share in the ratings & get the ads. Simple enough. Buy 1090. Go legit. There are enough stations out there. One will come sooner or later. Buy a licensed station. Remember, even if the F.C.C. isn't going to do anything, how do you justify income from a pirate station to the I.R.S.? They'll most definitely come after someone!
rapking said:Boston pirate radio is good for the Boston listeners ! Boston legal music stations S-CKS ! Look how many legal music station are cutting jobs away . Most listeners dont want to hear a tape ( automated crap ) or some trash ass D J's from who know where ( syndicated or voicetrack crap ) . 93.7 You call that a RADIO STATION ! I call it BULLSH_T ! FCC S-CKS ( Make the rules and then cant police the rules ). Does any of these so-called legal stations has anything to do with there COL ? 97.7 dont give a crap about Brocton. 93.7 dont give a sh-t about Lawrence. 107.3 dont give monkey a$$ about whatever city in central MA. 890 dont care about Dedham. Legal Radio is dead ! Pirate today and Pirate forever !
GOd, I expected nothing less from you..what a load of bullshit.
It's not like pirate radio stations pay much, if any of their staff anyways!
Not to mention savings a bunch on those pesky music licensing fees, workers comp, unemployment, health insurance, etc etc etc.
Pirate radio steals far more then it allegedly gives, and it's truly unfortunate that some people wish to thank them for that. Sad.
Pirate radio steals far more then it allegedly gives, and it's truly unfortunate that some people wish to thank them for that. Sad.
radioguybroadcasting said:rapking said:Boston pirate radio is good for the Boston listeners ! Boston legal music stations S-CKS ! Look how many legal music station are cutting jobs away . Most listeners dont want to hear a tape ( automated crap ) or some trash ass D J's from who know where ( syndicated or voicetrack crap ) . 93.7 You call that a RADIO STATION ! I call it BULLSH_T ! FCC S-CKS ( Make the rules and then cant police the rules ). Does any of these so-called legal stations has anything to do with there COL ? 97.7 dont give a crap about Brocton. 93.7 dont give a sh-t about Lawrence. 107.3 dont give monkey a$$ about whatever city in central MA. 890 dont care about Dedham. Legal Radio is dead ! Pirate today and Pirate forever !
GOd, I expected nothing less from you..what a load of bullshit.
It's not like pirate radio stations pay much, if any of their staff anyways!
NHRadio said:Not to mention savings a bunch on those pesky music licensing fees, workers comp, unemployment, health insurance, etc etc etc.
Pirate radio steals far more then it allegedly gives, and it's truly unfortunate that some people wish to thank them for that. Sad.
You make a good point, NHRadio...not one I had thought of, but very very true.
N1WVQ said:but why don't you & all the pirates pool your money, get a loan & buy 1090? It has the heritage. It's waiting to come back.
It doesn't seem to me like the pirates are united in their purpose. They're actually competing with one another for listeners and for their illegal local advertising in the city. I don't know if they would be willing to unite for the purpose (and expense) of buying a legitimate station and going legal, and work out a programming schedule that would combine all their pursuits onto one station, no matter how much sense it would make to do so, when it's so much easier (and less expensive) to just flip on the pirate transmitter on the roof.
N1WVQ said:Remember, even if the F.C.C. isn't going to do anything, how do you justify income from a pirate station to the I.R.S.? They'll most definitely come after someone!
One doesn't have to justify what they don't file and just put in their pockets. I'd imagine that the financial end of pirate radio, such as "stations" being paid by local advertisers, and "employees" being paid by the "stations" (if they do pay) is all done with cash in hand or maybe personal checks (or money orders) at most, and that it's all transacted "under the radar", shall we say...
Eli Polonsky said:N1WVQ said:but why don't you & all the pirates pool your money, get a loan & buy 1090? It has the heritage. It's waiting to come back.
It doesn't seem to me like the pirates are united in their purpose. They're actually competing with one another for listeners and for their illegal local advertising in the city. I don't know if they would be willing to unite for the purpose (and expense) of buying a legitimate station and going legal, and work out a programming schedule that would combine all their pursuits onto one station, no matter how much sense it would make to do so, when it's so much easier (and less expensive) to just flip on the pirate transmitter on the roof.
N1WVQ said:Remember, even if the F.C.C. isn't going to do anything, how do you justify income from a pirate station to the I.R.S.? They'll most definitely come after someone!
One doesn't have to justify what they don't file and just put in their pockets. I'd imagine that the financial end of pirate radio, such as "stations" being paid by local advertisers, and "employees" being paid by the "stations" (if they do pay) is all done with cash in hand or maybe personal checks (or money orders) at most, and that it's all transacted "under the radar", shall we say...
The pirates don't want to go legal, why else would they be pirates? They think they're above the law and don't want to have to go through the red tape. THey want the benefits of having a radio station, but don't want all the rules.
One time, I had someone apply for a job at my radio station who listed "job" at a pirate station on her resume, a station I clearly knew was a pirate. When I asked her, she had no idea if they were licensed or not.
Nick said:Did they claim their "call letters" were WHOT?
WHOT is actually a CHR in Youngstown, OH
They haven't actually gone on the air yet. If the website is any real indication, they should be on in under 9 days.
jlehmann said:Nick said:Did they claim their "call letters" were WHOT?
WHOT is actually a CHR in Youngstown, OH
They haven't actually gone on the air yet. If the website is any real indication, they should be on in under 9 days.
And if their poor choice of frequencies and apparent lack of technical knowledge is any real indication, they'll be shut down by the FCC in less then 9 days!
radioguybroadcasting said:If their poor choice of frequencies and apparent lack of technical knowledge is any real indication, they'll be shut down by the FCC in less then 9 days!
I highly doubt that. Look at how long this 105.5 in Worcester has lasted, killing WROR's signal.
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I love Pirate radio !
rapking said:I love Pirate radio !
We know that....
If Touch 106.1 ended up with a license, would you stop loving that station because it's not a pirate?
I doubt Hot 97.1 Boston will get shut down because nobody will hear it. The only interference will be to the HD reception of WTKK. Who has HD radios?
WHOT 101.1 Youngstown, OH should sue the Boston pirate for infringement of its trademark.
Why is there a thread celebrating the launch of a pirate station anyway?
I doubt Hot 97.1 Boston will get shut down because nobody will hear it. The only interference will be to the HD reception of WTKK. Who has HD radios?
WHOT 101.1 Youngstown, OH should sue the Boston pirate for infringement of its trademark.
Why is there a thread celebrating the launch of a pirate station anyway?
Nick said:I doubt Hot 97.1 Boston will get shut down because nobody will hear it. The only interference will be to the HD reception of WTKK.
You missed the earlier post that the "station" now claims it will be on 97.5, not 97.1.
So, it will be the HD noise of WKAF 97.7 that will cover it up, not WTKK.
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