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HOW ANGRY IS TOO ANGRY?

RE "I've decided to stay out of the conversation and just laugh"

Like good Talk Radio, the conversation SHOULD entertain those-other-than-the-voices-having-it.
Something more hosts should remember, eh?

Sean Gilbow said:
The ones who are giving you the most grief on here are posters whom I've sparred with on more than one occasion, and what usually happens is the topic not only goes to TIO, but it eventually disappears.
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Two schools of thought on the anonymous ballbusters:

1. Yours, echoing Joni Mitchell: "Who needs the static? It hurts the head."
And I cite another lyric on-the-heels-of the previous Jim Croce reference going-over-several-heads here.

2. Silly zingers are merely the-price-of-admission here, and a-small-price-to-pay.
Now that conventions are few-and-far-between, this is a REAL useful opportunity for shoptalk.
After all, we're radio people. We think aloud...even when "aloud" is typing.

Heck, graffiti is everywhere...especially here in The Consequence-Free Conversation.
One reason we're a-nation-of-skimmers-not-readers.

Spam and snark and other such verbal Styrofoam is WHY we graze-and-channel-surf...and, apropos the topic of this thread, thus all the overstatement on Talk Radio.

"You [ALL of you] turn me on, I'm a radio."

HC
www.HollandCooke.com
 
To echo what Holland said, and has said, very often here, if his client doesn't have Rush and the cross town rival does, then Limbaugh is a buffoon, if his client has Rush, he's great. Holland is a salesperson who tries to make a profit for his client and himself by consulting. It seems to me that Holland is trying to stay non-political in this discussion and is approaching it from a radio business point of view.

An interesting observation by Holland a page back, I believe, he said, I'm paraphrasing: that Hannity does believe in what's he's preaching and Beck and Rush don't necessarily. If that is correct, then Rush and Beck are like Rupert Murdock who started Fox News as he saw a need in broadcasting (not that he agreed with the political point of view, but could make money with such a network), then they apparently also started their shows as a way to make money and not so much as a way to promote a political point of view.

Actually that makes sense, in a way ( I've always considered Rush to be fiscal conservative, but not a moral conservative (an active Christian), as I remember hearing Rush not that many years ago, making sexual innuendos and below the belt shots at Hillary (Bill is understandable but is like shooting fish in a barrel), and getting angry when a couple of female callers who said they were Christians and were offended by those comments. He was very harsh with them and really lit in to them. As a Christian myself, I was shocked at his attitude as those women were expressing a more Christ centered point of view in a very nice way, than elRushbo did. I've noticed during this past year that Rush now makes actual references to Christianity and his belief in it ( I don't remember hearing him ever mention Christianity and in a positive way, as Hannity does (Hannity's a practicing Roman Catholic and does have strong views against Abortion which prior to this year I never heard Rush ever mention). That may be why Hannity is harder to listen to, because he really is taking it seriously and gets very angry, whereas for Rush, he's entertaining his listeners as he rolls in the money. Rush may view his show as a Top 40 talk show minus the music other than the parodies he plays). He's good at what he does, but can you imagine how devastated his millions of loyal ditto heads would be if they ever realized that Rush is all for show and he really doesn't take it seriously.

Holland, if I mistook what you were trying to say on that other page, I apologize and ask you to clarify your point for me, but that's how I took that one sentence. I may have taken a button and sewed on a vest to it.
 
The sad, sad truth, the dirty lowdown. (OOPS...another lyric reference)

MikefromDelaware said:
can you imagine how devastated his millions of loyal ditto heads would be if they ever realized that Rush is all for show and he really doesn't take it seriously.
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Those of us who were at LAST year's Talkers New Media Seminar in NYNY, where El Rushbo accepted the Freedom Of Speech Award, heard him tell us what he told that NAB Radio Show in Philly, as he was being busted for drugs: (paraphrasing) "It's not about ideology. It's about getting people to listen to commercials."

In his Forbes magazine cover story week-before-last, Beck was less-elegant:
“I could give a flying crap about the political process.”
Certainly a departure from his weepy on-air persona, eh?

SEAN HANNITY IS A MENSCH.
I like the guy, a lot, and have been scorned for saying-so on Daily Kos.
You meet him, and you want to go to a baseball game with him.
EVERY time I see him, he asks, "How can I help your stations?"
I wish that was the guy I hear/see on-air.

But, as you suggest, BECAUSE he is sincere, his passion can take what-he-does-on-air to-a-place that works-against how-the-ratings-work.

Your comments are invited at: http://hollandcookemedia.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/has-glenn-beck-peaked/

HC
www.HollandCooke.com
 
I just CAN'T resist!

I'll hate myself in the morning for this.

In Dan Aykroyd-as-Tom Snyder voice:
"Wellsir, fine. I'll take the bait..."

Silkie said:
And in the 70s Jim Croce was on FM
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PLEASE...swap resumes with me.

From mine: WSPR/Springfield MA (1270AM) 1972-1974.
(Were you on-air somewhere then?)
(Were you BORN then?)

Songs-I-played-there/then, ON VINYL:
"You Don't Mess Around With Jim"
"Operator"
"Time In A Bottle"
"It Doesn't Have To Be That Way"
"Workin' At The Carwash Blues"
"Bad, Bad Leroy Brown"

'Played all of 'em as oldies later (1974-1980) @ WPRO/Providence (AM630), @ WKBR/Manchester NH 1980-1981 (my first PD gig), WKBW/Buffalo 1981-1982 (my last full-time on-air gig).

YOUR resume those years?
 
No worries. You and I are not the ones who need the attention and go about trying to make money by a different route. Subterfuge just isn't my forte.
 
Re: I just CAN'T resist!

Holland Cooke said:
PLEASE...swap resumes with me.
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KBBA/Benton, AR (690 AM) June 1956
Songs I played there / I think they were on Edison Cylinders ;D

Blue Suede Shoes / Carl Perkins
The Magic Touch / The Platters
Monglow and theme from Picnic / Morris Stoloff
Be Bop A Lula / Gene Vincent
I Walk The Line / Johnny Cash
The Wayward Wind / Gogi Grant
Standing on the Corner / Four Lads
 
RE "I Walk The Line / Johnny Cash"

I heard that song on a weekend oldies show on an AM last weekend, and IT SOUNDED GREAT...as did all the other songs-being-played.

After all, those songs were mixed for AM, intended to be heard in mono on a small speaker.

Ditto songs-as-recent-as the Barry White stuff, which came just-as Top 40's migration to FM was hitting critical mass.

Early/mid-70s AM music radio audio was tweaked in-a-way that'd sound dated today, but made the music pop then.
Just-a-TOUCH-of reverb...dang-near throbbing compression...and EQ that played the Delco dashboard radio speaker like a Stradivarius.
And how about the stations that played 'em @ 47 RPM?
We didn't...but a competitor did.
I remember hearing "Sideshow" by Blue Magic start on my station, THEN on the other station. It ended there before here.

In 1974, even Barbra Streisand's "The Way We Were," full-blast, tight-as-the-wedding-night, out of a shotgun jingle, gave those stations a contagious energy. That's part-of what-'CBS-FM/NY-has-recaptured. As if the SUPERB playlist and best-of-breed jocks weren't enough, the dang GEAR, and the production, all contribute to a "happy" sound.

Radio that's...happy.
What a concept.
 
I strive for relentlessly bright and "up" on my pt 15, because that's how the best I ever heard did it. (WLS and WCFL )

Even when I was a pirate. and made my most political broadcasts, I >think< it was evident that my viewpoint was
totally editorial opinion, but not "angry".

It's really sad when people overplay the "angry" card as it soon loses context, scale and reference.
 
I heard that song on a weekend oldies show on an AM last weekend, and IT SOUNDED GREAT...as did all the other songs-being-played.

After all, those songs were mixed for AM, intended to be heard in mono on a small speaker.

Ditto songs-as-recent-as the Barry White stuff, which came just-as Top 40's migration to FM was hitting critical mass.

Early/mid-70s AM music radio audio was tweaked in-a-way that'd sound dated today, but made the music pop then.
Just-a-TOUCH-of reverb...dang-near throbbing compression...and EQ that played the Delco dashboard radio speaker like a Stradivarius.
And how about the stations that played 'em @ 47 RPM?
We didn't...but a competitor did.
I remember hearing "Sideshow" by Blue Magic start on my station, THEN on the other station. It ended there before here.

In 1974, even Barbra Streisand's "The Way We Were," full-blast, tight-as-the-wedding-night, out of a shotgun jingle, gave those stations a contagious energy. That's part-of what-'CBS-FM/NY-has-recaptured. As if the SUPERB playlist and best-of-breed jocks weren't enough, the dang GEAR, and the production, all contribute to a "happy" sound.

Radio that's...happy.
What a concept./color]

Holland, do you consult with Clear Channel stations? If you do, why not try to get WWTX 1290 Wilmington (CC Delaware) which today is a Fox Sports talk station that gets no ratings and doesn't seem to air many local spots to switch to the CBS FM (on AM ) format. Sounds like a great format.
 
RE "Holland, do you consult with Clear Channel stations?"

Thanks for asking, but I don't.

It's my job to vex the Clear Channel stations.

And why would Clear Channel need consultants?
They have all the answers, right?
 
Two cents. Maybe three.

1. Quadraphonic and Silkie. More than 4,000 posts each. Even stretched over a 10-year period that's more than one a day, every day, each. Q refers to S as "she," though most posters on here don't identify themselves by gender, and their posts seem to follow each other quite often. Are y'all the one(s) complaining on DCRTV.net that radio-info.com is busting your chops because you and your "wife" are both using the same IP address? But if it's really 8,700+ posts for one guy? That's called obsession.

2. If Cooke's aim was to demonstrate that there is no room for rational discussion on the subject of conservative talk radio, he hit it on the head. Very little about radio in this thread.
 
jackandcoke said:
2. If Cooke's aim was to demonstrate that there is no room for rational discussion on the subject of conservative talk radio, he hit it on the head. Very little about radio in this thread.
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I knew about the gender thing. I once posted something with a "he" in it referring to Silkie and a little Private Message exchange went back and forth and I think I have kept the gender issue on track since then.... I think.

I didn't come away with the idea that Holland was trying demonstrate there is not room for rational discussion of conservative talk radio in this forum as much as he was observing, and inviting conversation, on the lack of rational discussion within the mechanism of talk radio itself.

Your assessment of the resulting conversation here has a ring of validity.... we are having trouble staying on RADIO and like steel filings gathering on a magnet we jump into hostility over the message of conservatism and the message of liberalism.

So, there is a question I would pose to you: For those of us who have this vision that maybe humans can discuss "the meaning of life" and all its accessories, are we wasting our time? Is public political discussion a hot-potato that cannot happen.... on the radio.... or in the Radio-Info forums?

Is there some technique that the psychologists can identify that would enable civil discussion? Are there examples of radio broadcasts where they have discovered the secret?

What talk host (of any political flavor) do you feel does the best job of not turning a radio program into an event that can only be loved by people who keep the Civil War Reenactments alive?
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
What talk host (of any political flavor) do you feel does the best job of not turning a radio program into an event that can only be loved by people who keep the Civil War Reenactments alive?
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John Batchelor.
 
Couple of local hosts in Knoxville on WNOX. Conservative but not over the top but plenty of general interest topics as well. Mike McConnell (WLW and Saturdays on Premiere) probably does more reading and show prep than anyone and yes he can be snarky but frequently calls out the silier aspects of the right as well as the left.
 
"BE the ball, Danny..."

jackandcoke said:
If Cooke's aim was to demonstrate that there is no room for rational discussion on the subject of conservative talk radio, he hit it on the head.
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Just-another demonstration of The Socratic Technique...









I'M KIDDING...


...a little.
 
gr8oldies said:
Couple of local hosts in Knoxville on WNOX. Conservative but not over the top but plenty of general interest topics as well. Mike McConnell (WLW and Saturdays on Premiere) probably does more reading and show prep than anyone and yes he can be snarky but frequently calls out the silier aspects of the right as well as the left.
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Dom Giordano is similar to that too. I like his show quite a bit. Especially when he talks about education, since he was a teacher at one time. I'm sure we can go on all day pointing out conservative hosts that aren't foaming at the mouth with hate. There's room on the airwaves for all sorts of hosts.
 
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