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How did 102.7 get in?

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jras20

I dont understand how they got 102.7 in either Smithville or the one thats going to be on Kvet's tower. I dont see how the FCC lets these come on the air. Because of either the 102.7 in Smithville or the one in Austin, either one, that is on the air now, I cant recieve Jackfm in San antonio. or is Jackfm is the tower still being worked on?<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
> I dont understand how they got 102.7 in either Smithville or
> the one thats going to be on Kvet's tower. I dont see how
> the FCC lets these come on the air. Because of either the
> 102.7 in Smithville or the one in Austin, either one, that
> is on the air now, I cant recieve Jackfm in San antonio. or
> is Jackfm is the tower still being worked on?
>
You're right. This doesn't make any sense. On the Tower of the Americas, 102.7s antenna points to the west. (101.9 to the south and 104.5 to the north) When the master antenna is up it will be on the north side of the tower sending a predominate lobe toward Austin for all three stations. This is also a closer fit than the 93.3 translator we have here in SA. At times 93.3 from Austin obliterates the translator. What's Jack going to do to the 102.7 translator?

Bad engineering. Bad FCC for approving bad engineering.
 
> You're right. This doesn't make any sense. On the Tower of
> the Americas, 102.7s antenna points to the west. (101.9 to
> the south and 104.5 to the north) When the master antenna
> is up it will be on the north side of the tower sending a
> predominate lobe toward Austin for all three stations. This
> is also a closer fit than the 93.3 translator we have here
> in SA. At times 93.3 from Austin obliterates the
> translator. What's Jack going to do to the 102.7
> translator?
>
> Bad engineering. Bad FCC for approving bad engineering.
>
Do you know when the new antenna will be up and running?
 
Another Tower question

Is the tower that KBBT, KPAC, KSTX are they all being worked on as well? I seem to not be able to pull them in very good either.<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
The answer to this is simple. The FCC "PROTECTS" a station in its 60 dbu contour. Callled its protected contour, here ie the map for the "Protected" contour of 102.7 in San Antonio.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM679526.html

All that is required is that the Smithville 102.7 does not interfere with the San Antonio 102.7 in the San Antonio 102.7's protected contour to be constructed.

That's to be constructed... HOWEVER...

Smithville can not interefere with ANY reported reception of 102.7 in San Antonio. None. If you have a problem receiveing 102.7 SA because of 102.7 Smithville it is Smithville's problem. This is listed in...
(Quotes)

FCC 74.1203(a) An authorized FM translator or booster station will not be
permitted to continue to operate if it causes any actual interference
to:
...(3) The direct reception by the public of the off-the-air signals of
any authorized broadcast station including TV Channel 6 stations, Class
D (secondary) noncommercial educational FM stations, and previously
authorized and operating FM translators and FM booster stations.
Interference will be considered to occur whenever reception of a
regularly used signal is impaired by the signals radiated by the FM
translator or booster station, regardless of the quality of such
reception, the strength of the signal so used, or the channel on which
the protected signal is transmitted.
(b) If interference cannot be properly eliminated by the application
of suitable techniques, operation of the offending FM translator or
booster station shall be suspended and shall not be resumed until the
interference has been eliminated. Short test transmissions may be made during the period of suspended operation to check the efficacy of remedial measures. If a complainant refuses to permit the FM translator or booster licensee to
apply remedial techniques which demonstrably will eliminate the interference without impairment to the original reception, the licensee of the FM translator or booster station is absolved of further responsibility for that complaint.

(End Quote)

So there. If they are interfering with your "regularly used signal", Make 'em fix it and if they don't then shut 'em down. My guess is that they will buy you the best directional FM antenna known, or just throw you a few bucks to shut up. OR.... you can get them off the air.

Have Fun

Clouseau.

> > I dont understand how they got 102.7 in either Smithville
> or
> > the one thats going to be on Kvet's tower. I dont see how
>
> > the FCC lets these come on the air. Because of either the
>
> > 102.7 in Smithville or the one in Austin, either one, that
>
> > is on the air now, I cant recieve Jackfm in San antonio.
> or
> > is Jackfm is the tower still being worked on?
> >
> You're right. This doesn't make any sense. On the Tower of
> the Americas, 102.7s antenna points to the west. (101.9 to
> the south and 104.5 to the north) When the master antenna
> is up it will be on the north side of the tower sending a
> predominate lobe toward Austin for all three stations. This
> is also a closer fit than the 93.3 translator we have here
> in SA. At times 93.3 from Austin obliterates the
> translator. What's Jack going to do to the 102.7
> translator?
>
> Bad engineering. Bad FCC for approving bad engineering.
>
 
> Do you know when the new antenna will be up and running?
>
No, my info is second hand. A friend knows an engineer for one of the stations. Next time I see him I will ask if he knows. I do know that they all want equal coverage and that the northside is where the growth and the money is.
 
To this day I have never been able to receive 102.7 at my home in Round Rock or in downtown Austin where I work. And this station is supposed to be broadcasting from the KVET tower? That sounds strange.

> > Do you know when the new antenna will be up and running?
> >
> No, my info is second hand. A friend knows an engineer for
> one of the stations. Next time I see him I will ask if he
> knows. I do know that they all want equal coverage and that
> the northside is where the growth and the money is.
>
 
I have no problem with LP's moving in or low powered stations, just though if they interfere with some of the stations that I listen to then that may be a problem. I do have a directional antenna outdoor, about 20' up. I had to move it down some and work on it since the lightling strike about 4 weeks ago. I hear that LP over Jackfm, if they would move to a "dead" frequency then I wont have any problems with them.<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
> To this day I have never been able to receive 102.7 at my
> home in Round Rock or in downtown Austin where I work. And
> this station is supposed to be broadcasting from the KVET
> tower? That sounds strange.
I think the one I am getting is in Smithville.<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
I gues the FCC must of shut them down?? I can pick up Jack once again, not the other 102.7 that was on..?
 
jras20 said:
I gues the FCC must of shut them down?? I can pick up Jack once again, not the other 102.7 that was on..?
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The Smithville station is K274BB and is licensed to Jeanne Aultfather, sister of James Aultfather who runs KXPW-LP in Georgetown. James built and operates the Smithville station. He is rebroadcasting 106.7. The receiver is frequently captured by the SA 106.7.
 
clouseau said:
The answer to this is simple. The FCC "PROTECTS" a station in its 60 dbu contour. Callled its protected contour, here ie the map for the "Protected" contour of 102.7 in San Antonio. http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM679526.htmlAll that is required is that the Smithville 102.7 does not interfere with the San Antonio 102.7 in the San Antonio 102.7's protected contour to be constructed.That's to be constructed... HOWEVER...Smithville can not interefere with ANY reported reception of 102.7 in San Antonio. None. If you have a problem receiveing 102.7 SA because of 102.7 Smithville it is Smithville's problem. This is listed in... (Quotes)FCC 74.1203(a) An authorized FM translator or booster station will not be permitted to continue to operate if it causes any actual interference to:...(3) The direct reception by the public of the off-the-air signals of any authorized broadcast station including TV Channel 6 stations, Class D (secondary) noncommercial educational FM stations, and previously authorized and operating FM translators and FM booster stations. Interference will be considered to occur whenever reception of a regularly used signal is impaired by the signals radiated by the FM translator or booster station, regardless of the quality of such reception, the strength of the signal so used, or the channel on which the protected signal is transmitted. (b) If interference cannot be properly eliminated by the application of suitable techniques, operation of the offending FM translator or booster station shall be suspended and shall not be resumed until the interference has been eliminated. Short test transmissions may be made during the period of suspended operation to check the efficacy of remedial measures. If a complainant refuses to permit the FM translator or booster licensee to apply remedial techniques which demonstrably will eliminate the interference without impairment to the original reception, the licensee of the FM translator or booster station is absolved of further responsibility for that complaint.(End Quote)So there. If they are interfering with your "regularly used signal", Make 'em fix it and if they don't then shut 'em down. My guess is that they will buy you the best directional FM antenna known, or just throw you a few bucks to shut up. OR.... you can get them off the air.Have FunClouseau. > > I dont understand how they got 102.7 in either Smithville> or> > the one thats going to be on Kvet's tower. I dont see how> > > the FCC lets these come on the air. Because of either the> > > 102.7 in Smithville or the one in Austin, either one, that> > > is on the air now, I cant recieve Jackfm in San antonio. > or> > is Jackfm is the tower still being worked on?> > > You're right. This doesn't make any sense. On the Tower of> the Americas, 102.7s antenna points to the west. (101.9 to> the south and 104.5 to the north) When the master antenna> is up it will be on the north side of the tower sending a> predominate lobe toward Austin for all three stations. This> is also a closer fit than the 93.3 translator we have here> in SA. At times 93.3 from Austin obliterates the> translator. What's Jack going to do to the 102.7> translator?> > Bad engineering. Bad FCC for approving bad engineering.>
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This station is definitely messing around with Jack. it needs to be fixed.
 
Thanks for the links, I dont mind of a lp or a translator moves in, but the FCC should of done that better! I would of thought maybe 107.9, or maybe even 91.1 or 92.3 something thats more away from another market station.
 
I wonder if the FCC ever reads these boards? I gues they could put a curve to this station and make it go more north east instead of southwest, This station will probably interfere my HD radio reception to Jack,, unless they fix the curves.
 
jras20 said:
I wonder if the FCC ever reads these boards? I gues they could put a curve to this station and make it go more north east instead of southwest, This station will probably interfere my HD radio reception to Jack,, unless they fix the curves.
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What curves are you talking about?

You have to understand that the FCC doesn't care that the 102.7 translators in Austin and Smithville are causing interference to KJXK at your receiver. You are not in the COL of either of those stations. As I think someone previously explained, the FCC only has to protect a station's service area. Both translators' 60dB contour do not overlap into KJXK's 60dB contour. You being in the fringes of both the Austin and San Antonio radio markets makes you more susceptible to co-channel interference.

As long as KJXK doesn't interfere with the translators in their COL and they do not interfere with KJXK's service area, which is not likely to happen to a C1, the FCC will not do anything. If and when the master antenna project is complete at TOA, the FCC may allow the translator licensees to raise their ERP to the max for translators making channel 274 unusable to you. Now frequency changes may be an option, but then you have to do your research and find out why the FCC put these two translators on 102.7.
 
I gues theres not much to do about it then, I would of thought the fringes would be just about as important as being in the protected area. I do have a directonal antenna that is up around 20 or so feet up, but it still picks up that translator in the static.
 
jras20 said:
I gues theres not much to do about it then, I would of thought the fringes would be just about as important as being in the protected area. I do have a directonal antenna that is up around 20 or so feet up, but it still picks up that translator in the static.
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I have the same problem too. There is a LP radio station up in Killeen that is interfering KXBT a lot. Its KHSP-LP broadcasting on 104.5 and its mostly blocking the 104.3 signal a lot. Along with that, I couldn't listen to K104 from Dallas anymore even when it comes in clear during the morning and night. So I have the same problem too. I wish they put the LP station on a different frequency like 104.7.
 
I dont think the FCC knows half of whats going on with LPs, they still think that K203CC is up there with K260AB which is not. K203CC is on the southside of Lockhart, they might have one right though, I think they did move K284AH with K260AB. I think they need to get someone that acually knows where these transmitters are and what they are doing. They also still think that K203CX is on 88.1 which is not. It is on 88.5.
 
jras20 said:
I dont think the FCC knows half of whats going on with LPs, they still think that K203CC is up there with K260AB which is not. K203CC is on the southside of Lockhart, they might have one right though, I think they did move K284AH with K260AB. I think they need to get someone that acually knows where these transmitters are and what they are doing. They also still think that K203CX is on 88.1 which is not. It is on 88.5.
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Here is a response I got from the FCC via e-mail about radio interference.

You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.

Thank you for your email.

This email addresses broadcast (radio and TV) signal reception and listener/viewer complaints of interference. The information contains a brief discussion of Broadcast signal TRANSMISSION vs. RECEPTION.

Broadcast signal TRANSMISSION vs. RECEPTION:

The FCC regulates the technical standards of the transmitted signal, such as frequency tolerance and allowable power. The FCC Enforcement Bureau, Technical and Public Safety Division, in conjunction with FCC Regional and Field Offices, investigates interference complaints FILED BY LICENSED BROADCASTERS, when such complaints indicate violation of the Communications Act and/or FCC rules.

FCC rules do not address signal reception. Individual listeners/viewers should take appropriate measures for receiving the signal/programming they desire. Conditions of Non-reception, poor reception, and/or electrical interference to radio/TV sets do not indicate an FCC rules violation and the FCC will not investigate these conditions.

Applicable law(s)/rule(s):

* The Communications Act of 1934, as amended

* Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 73

WEB ADDRESS: Enforcement Bureau:www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/interference.html

Consumers who believe a licensed broadcast station's signal is experiencing interference may consider contacting the affected station.

During the license application process, there are very strict engineering studies required before a station can be licensed and begin broadcasting. The studies are designed to prevent interference. In those rare instances when a problem might occur, the station(s) experiencing the problem can often work a cooperative solution. Failing that, the FCC will investigate interference complaints SUBMITTED BY BROADCASTERS.

What you can do:

* If you believe a licensed broadcast station's signal is experiencing interference, you may consider contacting the affected station. If the station operator believes an interference condition exists, the operator may contact the FCC.

GCC 13


Rep Number : TSR13
 
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