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How far do the New York stations go?

MarcR

With the dance music comment Cut it out. :mad:

I'm actually one that will AGREE with you in the sense that 'BAI does offer programming that is radically different than what people are used to hearing. And regarding dance music....three words....LIQUID SOUND LOUNGE with Jeannie Hopper which happens to be the LONGEST running dance music program in New York City. Oh yeah, it's on 'BAI
 
JerseyShor said:
On FM (for the most part) the stations are strong up to about Exit 91 (Brick) on the Garden State Parkway, OK up until about Exit 82 (Toms River) and gone by Exit 69 (Waretown).

92.3, 95.5, 97.9, 101.9 and 104.3 tend to get a little further south, making it as far south as Manahawkin (exit 63) with a really good car radio.
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Just another reason ESPN would love to move to the 101.9 stick. A 101.9 ESPN-FM would be competitive with WFAN. 1050 AM cannot be received by nearly half the NY metro area. When WABC discontinued the Jets' simulcast last season, WOBM (1160 AM) and WADB (Fox Sports 1310) joined the Jets Radio Network.

Does Emmis really believe WRXP's rock format can still make it in NY? :)
 
radioguy39nj said:
JerseyShor said:
On FM (for the most part) the stations are strong up to about Exit 91 (Brick) on the Garden State Parkway, OK up until about Exit 82 (Toms River) and gone by Exit 69 (Waretown).

92.3, 95.5, 97.9, 101.9 and 104.3 tend to get a little further south, making it as far south as Manahawkin (exit 63) with a really good car radio.
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Just another reason ESPN would love to move to the 101.9 stick. A 101.9 ESPN-FM would be competitive with WFAN. 1050 AM cannot be received by nearly half the NY metro area. When WABC discontinued the Jets' simulcast last season, WOBM (1160 AM) and WADB (Fox Sports 1310) joined the Jets Radio Network.

Does Emmis really believe WRXP's rock format can still make it in NY? :)
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RXP is the only spot on the NYC dial to hear good modern rock. I was visiting family in Montclair last weekend and listened to RXP a few times and I liked it, it's one of the few 'alternative' stations that pay respect to the heritage of the genre, going back and playing Elvis Costello and The Velvet Underground.

Reception wise, I didn't listen much in the car, but Montclair is a great spot for NYC stations, I got all the FM and AM stations well, except directional ones at night, for example WQEW and WWRL.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Listeners won't easily look for less than strong, less than perfect signals.
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Unless they are true radio listeners, at which point they will listen until it's static and then some thinking that it may come back as we are driving further away.

Most of the NYC FM's can still be heard as far south as Toms River on the Parkway.
That has changed over the years as the added co-channels and adjacents have popped up in the South Jersey/Atlantic City Market.

I remember picking up 104.3 WNCN in A.C. back in the early 80's. Today, notsomuch - or at all.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Basically as for west of the city once you leave West Milford and Vernon NYC stations die out. You can still get KTU and NNJ without any interference on either frequency.
 
How far do the WDHA and WNNJ signals go? I know I have heard WDHA clear in Middletown, NJ and WNNJ clear throughout Essex and Passaic Counties.
 
How do the NYC FM's come in in the New Brunswick, East Brunswick areas? I know that is in Middlesex County. Specifically 99.5, 100.3 and 101.1. Also 103.5 WKTU with regard to the nearby 103.3 WPRB Princeton. Is KTU still listenable in that New/East/South Brunswick area?
 
From Upstate NY with my Binghamton days, I was able to pull in all stations from 92.3 to 107.5 around Roscoe, NY. Then again right on the intersection of exit 98 on 2oute 17, and get them and Pulse 87 at the time on 87.7, came in clear in Monticello, down to that black hole on the Thruway.
 
WBIMDJ said:
How do the NYC FM's come in in the New Brunswick, East Brunswick areas? I know that is in Middlesex County. Specifically 99.5, 100.3 and 101.1. Also 103.5 WKTU with regard to the nearby 103.3 WPRB Princeton. Is KTU still listenable in that New/East/South Brunswick area?
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The NYC FMs are static free in all the Brunswicks, except for WQXR and 87.7. The HD cuts in and out in New Brunswick, except it's solid for 107.5 WBLS which is at -14. HD is lost by South Brunswick. WPRB doesn't bleed to 103.5 in any town that ends in Brunswick, it bleeds as you go south through Plainsboro, and the bleeding makes KTU absolutely unlistenable in West Windsor. I grew up in West Windsor, and I complained so much about WPRB interfering with KTU. Now I just don't care because I now live in New Brunswick and KTU's format is not as good as it was in 2003.

99.5 is WBAI in all of Middlesex except during tropo. 100.3 and 101.1 are all NYC in New Brunswick, the interference starts somewhere in North Brunswick, and it's all Philly by Hamilton.
 
Not to change the subkject but I never understood why 100.3 and 101.1 are so close to each other. Why cant Philly have 100.5 and 101.3?
 
The 101.3 part is easy: by the time WDVR signed on in 1963 (I think that was the year), WGAL-FM was well-established on 101.3 over in Lancaster. I suspect 100.5 in Media would have been too close to WFMZ, which would already have been on by then at 100.7.

It might still have been possible back in the sixties to have done a big shuffle of the band to clear up the NYC/Philly shorts: I think Lancaster could have shifted to 101.5 in the days before Waynesboro came on the air, and that *might* have cleared the way for Philly to be on 101.3...or maybe not, since there was also WGBI-FM on the air in Scranton by then.

I suppose one could sit down with, say, a 1965 Broadcasting Yearbook and map out how things might have gone differently, if one had the time.
 
Scott Fybush said:
The 101.3 part is easy: by the time WDVR signed on in 1963 (I think that was the year), WGAL-FM was well-established on 101.3 over in Lancaster. I suspect 100.5 in Media would have been too close to WFMZ, which would already have been on by then at 100.7.

It might still have been possible back in the sixties to have done a big shuffle of the band to clear up the NYC/Philly shorts: I think Lancaster could have shifted to 101.5 in the days before Waynesboro came on the air, and that *might* have cleared the way for Philly to be on 101.3...or maybe not, since there was also WGBI-FM on the air in Scranton by then.

I suppose one could sit down with, say, a 1965 Broadcasting Yearbook and map out how things might have gone differently, if one had the time.
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If this scenario had played out, there might never have been a NJ 101.5. IMHO, the FCC probably didn't do a big shuffle to protect New Jersey FM stations. :)
 
Maybe NJ 101.5 would be known as NJ 101.7 back then if 101.3 were in Philly. Then Froggy in WB/Scranton would be on 101.5.
 
Without looking it up, I'm going to assume that NJ101.5 is a Class B. It couldn't have been a Class B on 101.7. It would have to be a Class A with 3kw @ 300 feet. They used to specify certain frequencies as Class A or B&C(depending on the zone).
 
I've done a little more research on this, and it's amazing how much of the northeast corridor FM dial was already locked in place by 1963-64, when 101.1 and 100.3 came on the scene in the Philly market.

They weren't necessarily at full class B facilities yet, but here's what was already on the scene, blocking any large-scale moves:

99.1 - New Haven, Binghamton, Zarephath, Annapolis
99.3 (class A channel)
99.5 - Lowell, Schenectady, NYC, Wilmington, Washington
99.7 -
99.9 - Bridgeport, Easton, Frederick MD (but no Ocean City yet)
100.1 (class A channel)
100.3 - Newark NJ, Media PA, Washington
100.5 - New Britain CT
100.7 - Boston, Allentown, Peekskill, Wildwood NJ
100.9 (class A channel)
101.1 - NYC, Philadelphia, Washington
101.3 - Scranton, Lancaster, Hamden CT
101.5 - Poughkeepsie, Trenton, Poughkeepsie, Waynesboro PA, Fredericksburg VA
101.7 (class A channel)

That would already have been a lot of signals to shuffle. Without looking at the spacing rules as they existed in 1963, it's hard for me to say if a full-scale realignment was possible. My guess is that even if it had been possible to somehow rearrange things to get Philadelphia to 100.5/101.3 instead of 100.3/101.1, it would have created some even uglier short-spacings along the way.

It's interesting to note, though, how relatively empty some of those channels were - there was nothing at all in the northeast on 99.7B back then, for instance, and those class A channels were nearly vacant as well. If the FCC had relaxed the distinction between class A and B channels, even if only in Zone I, things could have ended up very different back then.
 
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