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How long will Rush stay interested?

All I did is point out that the type hosts you love and defend so much often lie and repeat factually debunked garbage to their gullible listeners....of which you are clearly one.

Yet when presented with the opportunity to point out lies right here, you refuse to do so. It points out your hypocrisy.

Don't worry, you're hardly alone here.
 
Yet when presented with the opportunity to point out lies right here, you refuse to do so. It points out your hypocrisy.

Don't worry, you're hardly alone here.

Everybody with a shred of intelligence and integrity knows the score on these hosts you love so much, who continually spread BS about Obamaphones, death panels, a civilian police force that'll kick in your door and take your guns, $200 million dollar vacations, birth certificate nonsense, Obama's a Kenyan, Obama's a muslim, Obama doubled the deficit, Obama hates the troops, Obama hates America, climate change is a hoax, the healthcare reform is a govt takeover of healthcare, etc. etc. etc.

Stop pretending that talkradio isn't doing a major disservice to this country's discourse by so greatly muddying the waters with their lies.

Many see it, you don't. Let's leave it at that.
 
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If you're in AM radio you should be kissing his lardbutt. Without him you'd be in the soup line at the mission.

Kiss mine.

Ahhhhhh! Talk Radio. The smell is in the air right here in our very own forums.

Reminds me of the odor of one of those cattle feeder lots. And you don't have to be a cowboy to sense one of those establishments.

One has to wonder whether a new "herd" of investors might have gotten interested in making something more useful, more robust out of AM radio... but they were all scared away because they were afraid the ad industry could not be convinced that AM radio was once again viable and useful.

I have no quarrel with political expression.... if fact I rather enjoy it. But it needs to be in good taste and it needs to have, to use the wordss of the SCOTUS decision years ago, a socially redeemable purpose and content.

I have an example from today. I had a doctors appointment and it was a 30 to 40 minute drive and our weather is schitzo today so I punched up our FM Talker. The guy was going on and on and on about does the president love our country and then a segue into "Do our citizens love our country". He presents a survey that (I don't remember the EXACT nmbers but something about like this: 97% of the people surveyed over the age of 65 said they love our country. 9%% of the people over 45 said they love our country. But people 21 to 35... only 88% love our country. I went in to see the doctor, came out, and the guy was still ranting and at this point his mental frame had degenerated to the point that he was spewing: "Young adults who haven't faced the draft don't love our country by a four to one ratio. What had been 88% when I left the car now became 25%. (97% equals 3% old don't love country, 88% equals 12% don't love country. 3 compared to 12 becomes four to one. Thirty minutes later his chatter had composted until he was saying young people don't love our country by a ratio of 4 to 1.

We may have some incompetent congressmen and senators, but we absolutely do have some incompetent talk radio.

Boys and Girls (In my best Mr. Rogers imitation): Can you say "West Texas Cattle Feeder Lot..... P. U.
 




Ahhhhhh! Talk Radio. The smell is in the air right here in our very own forums.

Reminds me of the odor of one of those cattle feeder lots. And you don't have to be a cowboy to sense one of those establishments.

One has to wonder whether a new "herd" of investors might have gotten interested in making something more useful, more robust out of AM radio... but they were all scared away because they were afraid the ad industry could not be convinced that AM radio was once again viable and useful.

I have no quarrel with political expression.... if fact I rather enjoy it. But it needs to be in good taste and it needs to have, to use the wordss of the SCOTUS decision years ago, a socially redeemable purpose and content.

I have an example from today. I had a doctors appointment and it was a 30 to 40 minute drive and our weather is schitzo today so I punched up our FM Talker. The guy was going on and on and on about does the president love our country and then a segue into "Do our citizens love our country". He presents a survey that (I don't remember the EXACT nmbers but something about like this: 97% of the people surveyed over the age of 65 said they love our country. 9%% of the people over 45 said they love our country. But people 21 to 35... only 88% love our country. I went in to see the doctor, came out, and the guy was still ranting and at this point his mental frame had degenerated to the point that he was spewing: "Young adults who haven't faced the draft don't love our country by a four to one ratio. What had been 88% when I left the car now became 25%. (97% equals 3% old don't love country, 88% equals 12% don't love country. 3 compared to 12 becomes four to one. Thirty minutes later his chatter had composted until he was saying young people don't love our country by a ratio of 4 to 1.

We may have some incompetent congressmen and senators, but we absolutely do have some incompetent talk radio.

Boys and Girls (In my best Mr. Rogers imitation): Can you say "West Texas Cattle Feeder Lot..... P. U.

The question that needs to be asked is: "How many young people would favor a military draft?"
 
The question that needs to be asked is: "How many young people would favor a military draft?"

I don't know that question is at the forefront of the discussion. I don't know that they took any public opinion polls back in 1942 or 1952 asking young people if they favored a draft. The point the talk show guy was trying to make appeared to be: "The old geezers lived through the draft and they say they love the country. The young people don't have any draft obligations and yet they are unlikely to tell you they think this is a great country." Shame on young people.

Maybe it would be a good thing if Talk Radio was at the forefront of a discussion to find out why today's young people do not have quite the same Rah! Rah1 patriotism their grandfathers HAD and still HAVE.

The current crowd of talkers seem to "cherry-pick" what they believe are the "whys" rather than give us all the candidates in the race for prize as the primary reasons for distrust of our country. A good research project might reveal some unhappiness factors that would drive a spike into the heart of some of the conservative-talkers mantra. A good, reputable survey of young people might be like shooting one's self in the foot.

Maybe the younger generation is just pissed off that the media doesn't honestly report why they are pissed off.
 
If you're in AM radio you should be kissing his lardbutt. Without him you'd be in the soup line at the mission.

Here's an interesting thought. What if it hadn't been Rush that saved the AM band and talk radio in general? What if it were one of the guys who did the same act, but with less talent?
 
Here's an interesting thought. What if it hadn't been Rush that saved the AM band and talk radio in general? What if it were one of the guys who did the same act, but with less talent?

That "interesting thought" is like the question that comes up in our homes sometimes. What if I had married that other guy instead of you.... How different would things be?

I don't know the right 'one word' to best capture the attribute(s) that make Rush what he is but I will use 'abrasive'. Could someone have blazed a trail instead of Rush that would have been successful for radio and galvanizing for politics... and yet not have been as 'permission giving' to the audience... giving the audience the idea that it is good sport and proper citizenship to just be plain impolite when discussing politics. Or is that sharp grinding edge an essential ingredient in the political process?
 

...and yet not have been as 'permission giving' to the audience... giving the audience the idea that it is good sport and proper citizenship to just be plain impolite when discussing politics. Or is that sharp grinding edge an essential ingredient in the political process?

A sharp, grinding edge has always been an essential ingredient in the political process. Rush did not create it, although he obviously brought elements of it to the radio.

The extreme elements of political discourse would have been here whether Rush had made it or not.

The internet guaranteed that. There were 'flame wars' even on BBS's in the early 1990's, when the internet was just starting to become popular. The internet and extreme commentary too often go hand in hand.
 
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That "interesting thought" is like the question that comes up in our homes sometimes. What if I had married that other guy instead of you.... How different would things be?

I don't know the right 'one word' to best capture the attribute(s) that make Rush what he is but I will use 'abrasive'. Could someone have blazed a trail instead of Rush that would have been successful for radio and galvanizing for politics... and yet not have been as 'permission giving' to the audience... giving the audience the idea that it is good sport and proper citizenship to just be plain impolite when discussing politics. Or is that sharp grinding edge an essential ingredient in the political process?

Rush didn't invent combative political discourse. So nothing would be different on that front.

My theoretical situation was more focused on the radio side of things. Would the talk boom have lasted longer? Not as long? Who would have been the big fish in the pond?
 
My theoretical situation was more focused on the radio side of things. Would the talk boom have lasted longer? Not as long? Who would have been the big fish in the pond?

I don't think so. It lasted this long because it evolved and changed, and so did the audience. I think he's ridden the wave as far as it an go.

There have been tons of new talk shows in the last ten years, and no one has really jumped out as the next big thing. I think talk radio is suffering from the same problem everything else is dealing with, and that's a diluting of the audience among millions of competing platforms and speakers. The future will not be like the past.
 


That "interesting thought" is like the question that comes up in our homes sometimes. What if I had married that other guy instead of you.... How different would things be?

I don't know the right 'one word' to best capture the attribute(s) that make Rush what he is but I will use 'abrasive'. Could someone have blazed a trail instead of Rush that would have been successful for radio and galvanizing for politics... and yet not have been as 'permission giving' to the audience... giving the audience the idea that it is good sport and proper citizenship to just be plain impolite when discussing politics. Or is that sharp grinding edge an essential ingredient in the political process?

Randi Rhodes (who?) was abrasive on Liberal Talk. Where is she today?
 
There have been tons of new talk shows in the last ten years, and no one has really jumped out as the next big thing. I think talk radio is suffering from the same problem everything else is dealing with, and that's a diluting of the audience among millions of competing platforms and speakers. The future will not be like the past.

The ideas we throw out here in the discussion forum about what would work and what will not work is, for us, cheap entertainment.

I have to believe that some substantial broadcast companies have put significant money and brain-power into trying to create or discover what could be the replacement or the king-of-the-hill to replace Rush and the folks with money and brain-power haven't introduced "The New and Improved Talk Radio" that can outshine what Rush has done.

Part of the national conversation is about "The Big Money People" who are involved in the political process. When the conversation turns this direction, there is a tendency to immediately mention The Koch Brothers. But during the last presidential campaign, it seems that each significant candidate has his or her own personal piggy-bank in the background. I am not here to commend or condemn that process. I am here to make the observation that some of these "piggy bank folks" could (and maybe have put up even bigger research projects than the broadcaster groups can) have by now invented the new and improved, Rush-replacement, Talk Radio.

The fact that we don't have any significant "pretender to the throne" folks churning up the water probably tells us the story.
 
For the past 20 years, radio companies have tried to repeat the formula. The guys who are successful (Hannity, Levin, Savage) are guys who are nothing like Rush. The ones who try to be Rush (Rusty Hunphries, all of the guys whose names rhyme, etc.) have been failures.

The moral of the story? Be yourself. If you have talent, you'll get ahead.
 
I have always said that very same thing. The whole thing could probably be accomplished in a tweet.
 
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