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Howard Stern vs. Rush Limbaugh!

DToTheJ

DToTheJ

Howard Stern takes umbrage to playing second-fiddle to Rush Limbaugh on Talkers Magazine's list of top radio talk show hosts of all time.

Not only does the Sirius XM host think Limbaugh could not do a morning show, but Howard also claism Rush ripped his act off from Bob Grant, who he says is "ten times the entertainer" than Limbaugh.

Full story:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/08/25/2010-08-25_stern_gives_ranking_bums_rush.html

Also, there is currently a transcript of Stern's discussion with a caller about this, which is referenced in the above article:
http://www.musicradio77.com/wwwboard/messages/374809.html
 
BiggieFats said:
Yawn! Welcome to 15 years ago when Stern was crying about Limbaugh back then. Is he still crying about Imus too?
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Is it 15 years, already? No, it's longer and shorter than that.

Howard is on Sirius because of content. Rush is on terrestrial radio because of content. Howard is for shock. Rush is for critical thinkers.

Both have their audiences. One is just more mature about the approach - and the business.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Okay, besides the lesbians and fart jokes, there is some maturity to Howard. Listen now vs. 10 years ago, and compare his analysis on the radio business... Lately he's had some good words to say about people in the industry and a fairly logical take on terrestrial radio.

Howard is many things, but most of all an extremely smart business man.

What bothers me about Rush is his quickness to put his name on everything and hawk it, from t-shirts to toilet seats. It's the same as Jackie Martling hustling his crap after a comedy show, just on a larger scale.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Okay, besides the lesbians and fart jokes, there is some maturity to Howard. Listen now vs. 10 years ago, and compare his analysis on the radio business... Lately he's had some good words to say about people in the industry and a fairly logical take on terrestrial radio.

Howard is many things, but most of all an extremely smart business man.

What bothers me about Rush is his quickness to put his name on everything and hawk it, from t-shirts to toilet seats. It's the same as Jackie Martling hustling his crap after a comedy show, just on a larger scale.
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A friend of mine sent me a recent Stern interview with Tommy James. It was terrific. Stern is much more than juvinile humor and strippers today. I don't (and won't) subscribe to XM/Sirius to listen to his show for any number of reasons, top being that the audio quality on the sats is awful and I see no reason with all the choices I curently have (Over 5,100 individule songs on my I-Pod alone) to add another montly bill for a radio service. On the other hand, Limbaugh has absolutely no appeal to me. He's a one trick jerk who's tune hasn't changed in all the years he's been on the radio. You know exactly what you'll get when you tune him in. I dont need to be reminded that he thinks that every Republican is wonderful and every Democrat is a communist. His show appeals to the slow whitted among us. As a lifelong New Yorker he is a sad immitation of part of what Bob Grant brought to the table. In his prime, Grant wasn't a one trick blowhard like his immitators are. Grant today sounds old and unfortunately he sounds as if he's immitating his successors.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Okay, besides the lesbians and fart jokes, there is some maturity to Howard. Listen now vs. 10 years ago, and compare his analysis on the radio business... Lately he's had some good words to say about people in the industry and a fairly logical take on terrestrial radio.

Howard is many things, but most of all an extremely smart business man.

What bothers me about Rush is his quickness to put his name on everything and hawk it, from t-shirts to toilet seats. It's the same as Jackie Martling hustling his crap after a comedy show, just on a larger scale.
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It isn't bragging if you can do it. And Rush has proved he has what it takes to do it.

Anybody in radio that rags on Rush for hawking a few goods here and there is showing their true colors of jealousy. Get over it and learn the why's and how's. Once you have the audience Rush has, then talk.

Through thick and thin, his show has helped a lot of small stations that without him, probably wouldn't have stayed on the air over the last 21 years. And have added a value that most would not have seen without his program.

Can you show me the same with Howard or anybody else?

Can you come close?

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Sure can say the same about Howard... Look at the stations that he's left. Take the "flagship" of K-Rock, for example. It will NEVER bill as high as it did when he was there, never mind the ratings.

And I'm not jealous of Rush hawking his wares. It's just cheesy for a guy that big to be selling me coffee mugs. Why would anyone even WANT a mug with him on it? I listen to Rush; have for almost 20 years, and it still gives me the ****** chills when he starts selling crap. Same when Howard was hawking a video, or these other guys with their various products. I tune in to be entertained, not hear about how I can get a monogrammed EIB tea cozy. It's not bragging at that point, it's greed. Isn't a $600 million contract enough?
 
Long, long before there was Rush Limbaugh, there was Warren Freiburg.
::)

Long before there was Howard Stern there was Steve Dahl and Garry Meier.
::)

Credit where credit is due.

And Bob Grant was a lot more entertaining than Rush.
Haven't heard him quite a long time since I'm off the road and he doesn't seem to show up anywhere on the radio
here in the midwest.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Sure can say the same about Howard... Look at the stations that he's left. Take the "flagship" of K-Rock, for example. It will NEVER bill as high as it did when he was there, never mind the ratings.

And I'm not jealous of Rush hawking his wares. It's just cheesy for a guy that big to be selling me coffee mugs. Why would anyone even WANT a mug with him on it? I listen to Rush; have for almost 20 years, and it still gives me the ****** chills when he starts selling crap. Same when Howard was hawking a video, or these other guys with their various products. I tune in to be entertained, not hear about how I can get a monogrammed EIB tea cozy. It's not bragging at that point, it's greed. Isn't a $600 million contract enough?
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K-Rock was having Big problems before Howard got there. The hiring of Howard was the first of some brilliant moves from Mel Karmasin. He recognized the talent that Howard had. The same as Roger Ailes with Rush several years later.

But, as Rush appealled to the intelligence of the listener through satirical humor, Howard was already heading in the opposite direction with simple joking conversation between he and Robin.
Howard didn't go into potty humor until he was simulcasted into Philly.

Rush didn't start talk radio, he took different elements of other programs and packaged them into an entertaining format with the otherwise boring subject of national politics and daily issues. Up until Rush and Howard, talk radio was boring. Don Imus was the first to bring his standup comedy to the mornings. The traditional thinking was people were too busy getting themselves ready for work to laugh.

As for the greed, that is pure folly! Anybody in business hopes to achieve success and money is accepted as a scorecard for success. Money puts a value on that success. Greed is neither good nor bad. Greed is a tool, as with anything else: it's what you do with it. Without it, the economy doesn't move. In the marketplace, Greed is the reciprocal to fear.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
When Howard started broadcasting on the west coast starting with LA in 1991, he would be head to head with Rush for at least 2 hours, from 9a to 11a when his show would be re-broadcast. I'd love to know what the ratings were between them over that period of time until he left in 2005.
 
Tom Wells said:
Long, long before there was Rush Limbaugh, there was Warren Freiburg.
::)

Long before there was Howard Stern there was Steve Dahl and Garry Meier.
::)

Credit where credit is due.
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...and long before either Dahl (Meier was only along for the ride) or Freiburg, there were Larry Lujack and Paul Gibson. Bottom line is that Stern has continued the progress on the streams both Lujack and Gibson established, while Limbaugh is no longer capable of doing anything not handed to him on a platter by Karl Rove and his ilk...
 
I have to admit I do not know of Paul Gibson. I will attempt to become informed.
When I listen (rarely these days as I work nights) to Rush, critically, I can't figure out
how some of his viewpoints can co-exist with one another.
Warren Frieburg on the other hand, was pretty much an open book, and his views (narrow) were consistant.

It may have seemed like Garry Meier was along for the ride, but in the early days, Steve's immaturity and youthful indiscretion
probably would have made him expendable early on, and Mr. Meier was able to help him USE that, which would have been detrimental, as a fulcrum for an enjoyable ride.

Beavis and Butthead have a special charm, but one needs the other to be successful.
 
Tom Wells said:
Ultimajock said:
Tom Wells said:
I have to admit I do not know of Paul Gibson. I will attempt to become informed.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863017,00.html
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Thank you for the reference. I wonder how I'm now aware of him, if he's been on WBBM for 16 years. ???
Still, he's 50, only one year older than I am.....Warren Frieburg was doing the loudmouth thing back in the early '70s on WLTH and WLNR.
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...you didn't bother looking at the date on the Time piece -- February 24, 1958. Paul Gibson last broadcast over WBBM in 1964 and died of cancer early the next year...
 
Ultimajock said:
Tom Wells said:
Ultimajock said:
Tom Wells said:
I have to admit I do not know of Paul Gibson. I will attempt to become informed.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863017,00.html
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Thank you for the reference. I wonder how I'm now aware of him, if he's been on WBBM for 16 years. ???
Still, he's 50, only one year older than I am.....Warren Frieburg was doing the loudmouth thing back in the early '70s on WLTH and WLNR.
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...you didn't bother looking at the date on the Time piece -- February 24, 1958. Paul Gibson last broadcast over WBBM in 1964 and died of cancer early the next year...
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A pet peeve of mine....so many items on the internet do not clearly show the date.
I honestly couldn't find the date until now. Even then it's small and in grey!

After re-reading again now, I think we'd both prefer Paul Gibson's rambling and ranting.
You'd probably blow a gasket listening to Mr Frieburg.
He had quite a list of people and types he was "against", if you know what I mean.
I remember the day Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election, he just about melted down and talked about how ashamed he was of the country.
It was embarrassing, and sounded just like you-know-who.
 
Tom Wells said:
Ultimajock said:
Tom Wells said:
Ultimajock said:
Tom Wells said:
I have to admit I do not know of Paul Gibson. I will attempt to become informed.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863017,00.html
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Thank you for the reference. I wonder how I'm now aware of him, if he's been on WBBM for 16 years. ???
Still, he's 50, only one year older than I am.....Warren Frieburg was doing the loudmouth thing back in the early '70s on WLTH and WLNR.
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...you didn't bother looking at the date on the Time piece -- February 24, 1958. Paul Gibson last broadcast over WBBM in 1964 and died of cancer early the next year...
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A pet peeve of mine....so many items on the internet do not clearly show the date.
I honestly couldn't find the date until now. Even then it's small and in grey!

After re-reading again now, I think we'd both prefer Paul Gibson's rambling and ranting.
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...at least I know I do ;-) ...since you're a Chicago kid ;-) you may remember the nostalgia shop on West Addison that Chuck Schaden used to advertise on his WNIB OTR show, Metro Golden Memories. They used to have a three-cassette set of old Gibson airchecks (the side with him complaining about the WBBM Brass' edict of "time and temperature every three minutes" is plainly shades of Lujack!). Though Metro Golden Memories has been gone for about ten years now, I suspect you may be able to find that set on eBay from time to time...
 
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