As I try to listen to the Saints game, it's interrupted nearly every other break by Dave Cohn with the same, old report on the tropical storm. Same audio, voice clips, over & over. Bit of overkill, considering it won't make landfall until late next week. Cohn, shut the f*#k up and let us enjoy the Saints getting their asses kicked. We might miss a Hokie'ism. I'm all hurricaned out.
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Hurricane Overkill
- Thread starter bayoublue2
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..headed for the alabama / mississippi border...but we all know that can change..oh and the saints sucked again. 6-10..if we are lucky..thats my prediction.
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nashdonal
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I agree on those WWL interruptions on Ernesto, the projected landfall of the storm was so far out that giving those taped/recorded updates was overkill...at that time.
If it was 72 hours or less before scheduled landfall then I'd understand a little better.
Many of you might remember when FOX 8 over did coverage of Lili in 2002 by shrinking in a small box the baseball playoffs and leaving the news anchor team in a big screen with audio...long before there was any weather effects anywhere near southeast Louisiana.
Without sounding biased, this is why I wish more radio stations would at least have a consulting contract with locally based meteorologists, if not in-studio, to give a true, understandable threat "window"..if one actually exists.
If it was 72 hours or less before scheduled landfall then I'd understand a little better.
Many of you might remember when FOX 8 over did coverage of Lili in 2002 by shrinking in a small box the baseball playoffs and leaving the news anchor team in a big screen with audio...long before there was any weather effects anywhere near southeast Louisiana.
Without sounding biased, this is why I wish more radio stations would at least have a consulting contract with locally based meteorologists, if not in-studio, to give a true, understandable threat "window"..if one actually exists.
but you gotta remember new orleans is not a normal market. it is still recovering from last years storm. and remember folks last year katrina was suppose to go over florida than make a wide right turn into florida again. that didnt happen. also last year many people were killed because the media didnt pay enough attention till it was too late. as i remember it was sunday morning before an evacuation order was even given and that was too late. i think they just arent going to let their guard down again.
RFLA said:
yea but the average radio listener listens for how long? just a few minutes. maybe they were just trying to let as many people know as possible it was even out there. i didnt hear them so i really dont know how it sounded but i remember last year it was in the gulf and they had a football game on saturday night with it just a few hundred miles away. they even did the post game as usual (as they normally would) talking football instead of warning people to get the hell out of town. point beoing there probably is no right way to do it. there will always be that ..but they could have done this better..?
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BaronBean
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RoxxanneM said:
"Roxxanne"...I suspect that if you really knew Dave as you say you do, then you would know is named is spelled "Cohen," not "Cohn."
RoxxanneM said:
RoxxanneM, your post makes lotsa sense? Glad to hear you've known Mr. Cohn for a good while and have that "circle of friends". Hope he emails you daily. Simply stated, his recorded reports on the storm were way to frequent. If it was so important listeners get the information, why wasn't it live? Pregame, halftime and postgame news on the storm would have been enough. This is not a personal attack just an opinion. WWL did an outstanding job during and after Katrina. All of them, not just Cohn. But the fear factor come into play in the reporting last night.
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nashdonal
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Good points everyone, the only thing I can add to all of that is "knowledge is power." Many people are on edge from last year, but also too much exposure of a likely "non-entity" in our area doesn't help either. As long as the radio stations talk to honest, non-ego oriented meteorologists who truly understand the science & understand people's feelings as well (in terms of not scaring people unnecessarily) then no problem.
Let's hope for the best.
Let's hope for the best.
Ernesto is losing a lot of power, as it's been downgraded to a tropical storm. It's possible that the center could miss Florida.
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Kelso66
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bayoublue2 said:
Cohen also told the people of New Orleans that hurricane force winds would hit when Lili was coming onshore in 2002, when the city was 100+ miles from the eye wall and merely got tropical storm conditions for a couple hours. Cohen enjoys the fear factor.
I didn't hear Nash Cohen (stand corrected on the spelling) in WWL's 830pm newscast talking about Ernesto. It must be safe to venture down the road to Dulac. The hurricane gawd has spoken! But now they're plugging "Saints Football in Stereo on WWL-FM". Hmmmmmmmm? Does this mean Henderson in the left channel, Hokie in the right and Kenny panned to center? It sounds great but save the BS about stereo.
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Emarti
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Okay, I've had a Katrina weather nut to bust for awhile and since the subject has been brought up...
I'm going to start with 4WWL...Yeah, I know, they were better when they were owned by the Jesuits, but most radio and TV stations were better a few years ago.
Their weather dept. is about the only thing I would criticize about 4WWL.
John Gumm: Within a week of arriving, I guess in 03 or 04,he began to complain on the air about his hours and such, then Katrina came and he gave New Orleans the finger. He looked miserable at Mardi Gras. He didn't seem to realize channel 4 on-air anything is a good gig.
David Bernard: Always looked like he was on the rag because he couldn't deal with Eric Paulsen's humor. He was given an award before he left by a gay rights group for his work with AIDS or something, but the channel 4 was embarrassed about it so they said something like," a local civil rights group has honored David for his work".
Carl Arredondo: Talk about being in the right place at the right time. Don Westbrook and Dave Barnes retired so they gave him the gig as Chief Meteorologist. I saw a website where it's proudly proclaimed that he's America's first Hispanic Chief Meteorologist. Channel 4 seems almost afraid to fire him because they seem worried about some kind of racism lawsuit. Carl seems to lose his voice for a week about 3 times a year, and complain about being hoarse on-air. He acts like it's a big deal when he has to go to the trouble of putting graphics on the screen for something like the first day of Spring or info about a meteor shower. John Gumm did make him look pretty bad they way that Gummy could work that radar. Carl openly took swipes at Jim Henderson on the air and not in a friendly, nice way. Once he said on-air that Karen Swensen would write down everything he did wrong and tell on him. Talk about unprofessional. During Mardi Gras05 he seemed furious that Jim Henderson talked to his father on-air and he stormed off back to the station to work on that night's weathercast. Weather Channel fired him and he acts like he's doing New Orleans a favor by staying even though he still stumbles and bumbles his way through the weathercast like a weekender. Channel 4 should cut him loose.
Nash Roberts: Nothing but respect for his knowledge and service and work ethic. I do wish he would've put down the Crayolas and learned to work the radars and other modern technology.
Cohen: All I'll say is that I wish he would be replaced.
Dan Milham: Always thought his talent was wasted at Channel 6. He would be a great hire and a great fit for channel 4.
Bob Breck: Like the guy, respect his knowledge. I think he screams too much though and I used to think he should go to 6 or 4, but sometimes he scares me. I know he's been through some tough times, but I was thinking these things before his wife died.
Bruce Katz: Knows weather, nice guy, but he must think that people don't recognize his material and lines that he copied from Pat Shingleton at 2WBRZ. Before someone else tells me that Pat didn't invent Coats for Kids or invent the lines "morning drive and bus stop time"; he was the first in the state to use those words and ideas and Bruce brought them to New Orleans. Like Bruce, but too bad 26 seems like a station out of a market like Vicksburg, MS.
Pat Shingleton: Brilliant mind, used to be funny. Has been at channel 2 a long time. It seemed in the 90s that he was going through some sadness or depression on-air and seemed to have lost his edge. They promote him as that wacky, brilliant weather guy, but like that Todd Walker mouth, he seems to editorialize for the far right.
On the Tuesday after Katrina Andrea Clesi pretty much seemed tired of those New Orleans TV people at their Baton Rouge station and said something like "time for those New Orleans people to move on and get on with their lives". Came across to me as very rude and insensitive. She's been at 2 a long time, but she's not that good. I doubt that someone like Angela Hill would like living in Baton Rouge, but maybe some Baton Rouge TV stations should get the best talent from New Orleans TV.
Jay Grimes: Professional, knows more about weather in Baton Rouge and statewide better than anyone else I can think of today. Good guy. Someone that New Orleans TV should consider.
During the post Katrina coverage, it was hilarious when Paul Gates had on Fox 8's Nancy Parker (who always looks like she wants to stab John Snell in the neck) and Nancy had a tude like she's a big time New Orleans TV princess, well Gates would have none of it, he kept her on for a minute and moved on, but not before the camera showed a furious Nancy Parker fuming with a look of hatred that was like she wanted to reach over and slap Paul Gates.
Lafayette market--10 KLFY and 3 KATC--instead of insulting these people, I'll just say I really, really miss Ed Roy.
Lake Charles: 7 KPLC--great news dept for a market that size but during Rita, their weather team dropped the ball bigtime. They seemed tired and very unprepared.
Alexandria: People can talk about Tom Konvicka's delivery, but he knows weather and he's a good fit for a station in Alexandria.
Shreveport and Monroe: It's been too many years since I've seen their TV stations to comment on them.
Before someone blows a gasket for going off topic, most of the names I've mentioned above provide weather on Louisiana radio stations, so these people are also radio talent. Besides TV and radio are related.
I'm going to start with 4WWL...Yeah, I know, they were better when they were owned by the Jesuits, but most radio and TV stations were better a few years ago.
Their weather dept. is about the only thing I would criticize about 4WWL.
John Gumm: Within a week of arriving, I guess in 03 or 04,he began to complain on the air about his hours and such, then Katrina came and he gave New Orleans the finger. He looked miserable at Mardi Gras. He didn't seem to realize channel 4 on-air anything is a good gig.
David Bernard: Always looked like he was on the rag because he couldn't deal with Eric Paulsen's humor. He was given an award before he left by a gay rights group for his work with AIDS or something, but the channel 4 was embarrassed about it so they said something like," a local civil rights group has honored David for his work".
Carl Arredondo: Talk about being in the right place at the right time. Don Westbrook and Dave Barnes retired so they gave him the gig as Chief Meteorologist. I saw a website where it's proudly proclaimed that he's America's first Hispanic Chief Meteorologist. Channel 4 seems almost afraid to fire him because they seem worried about some kind of racism lawsuit. Carl seems to lose his voice for a week about 3 times a year, and complain about being hoarse on-air. He acts like it's a big deal when he has to go to the trouble of putting graphics on the screen for something like the first day of Spring or info about a meteor shower. John Gumm did make him look pretty bad they way that Gummy could work that radar. Carl openly took swipes at Jim Henderson on the air and not in a friendly, nice way. Once he said on-air that Karen Swensen would write down everything he did wrong and tell on him. Talk about unprofessional. During Mardi Gras05 he seemed furious that Jim Henderson talked to his father on-air and he stormed off back to the station to work on that night's weathercast. Weather Channel fired him and he acts like he's doing New Orleans a favor by staying even though he still stumbles and bumbles his way through the weathercast like a weekender. Channel 4 should cut him loose.
Nash Roberts: Nothing but respect for his knowledge and service and work ethic. I do wish he would've put down the Crayolas and learned to work the radars and other modern technology.
Cohen: All I'll say is that I wish he would be replaced.
Dan Milham: Always thought his talent was wasted at Channel 6. He would be a great hire and a great fit for channel 4.
Bob Breck: Like the guy, respect his knowledge. I think he screams too much though and I used to think he should go to 6 or 4, but sometimes he scares me. I know he's been through some tough times, but I was thinking these things before his wife died.
Bruce Katz: Knows weather, nice guy, but he must think that people don't recognize his material and lines that he copied from Pat Shingleton at 2WBRZ. Before someone else tells me that Pat didn't invent Coats for Kids or invent the lines "morning drive and bus stop time"; he was the first in the state to use those words and ideas and Bruce brought them to New Orleans. Like Bruce, but too bad 26 seems like a station out of a market like Vicksburg, MS.
Pat Shingleton: Brilliant mind, used to be funny. Has been at channel 2 a long time. It seemed in the 90s that he was going through some sadness or depression on-air and seemed to have lost his edge. They promote him as that wacky, brilliant weather guy, but like that Todd Walker mouth, he seems to editorialize for the far right.
On the Tuesday after Katrina Andrea Clesi pretty much seemed tired of those New Orleans TV people at their Baton Rouge station and said something like "time for those New Orleans people to move on and get on with their lives". Came across to me as very rude and insensitive. She's been at 2 a long time, but she's not that good. I doubt that someone like Angela Hill would like living in Baton Rouge, but maybe some Baton Rouge TV stations should get the best talent from New Orleans TV.
Jay Grimes: Professional, knows more about weather in Baton Rouge and statewide better than anyone else I can think of today. Good guy. Someone that New Orleans TV should consider.
During the post Katrina coverage, it was hilarious when Paul Gates had on Fox 8's Nancy Parker (who always looks like she wants to stab John Snell in the neck) and Nancy had a tude like she's a big time New Orleans TV princess, well Gates would have none of it, he kept her on for a minute and moved on, but not before the camera showed a furious Nancy Parker fuming with a look of hatred that was like she wanted to reach over and slap Paul Gates.
Lafayette market--10 KLFY and 3 KATC--instead of insulting these people, I'll just say I really, really miss Ed Roy.
Lake Charles: 7 KPLC--great news dept for a market that size but during Rita, their weather team dropped the ball bigtime. They seemed tired and very unprepared.
Alexandria: People can talk about Tom Konvicka's delivery, but he knows weather and he's a good fit for a station in Alexandria.
Shreveport and Monroe: It's been too many years since I've seen their TV stations to comment on them.
Before someone blows a gasket for going off topic, most of the names I've mentioned above provide weather on Louisiana radio stations, so these people are also radio talent. Besides TV and radio are related.
[Saints in Stereo] At the risk of veering this thread in yet another OT direction, my sense is that 'L should be credited for just being able to get the game on-air. From what I read here in Jackson, stadium conditions were rough: the old place was not prepared for such a big-time game. On-air clues included the national anthem audio coming from a mic aimed at a PA speaker (but man could that cat sing), crowd mic audio being fiddled with while on-air, and occasional hiccups coming from what I suspect was a dial-up codec. All not the way you do NFL sports, and WWL is at the top of the class when it comes to production.
As for stereo, w-a-a-a-y back yonder in 1979-80 we did all of our sports in stereo on the LSU radio station (then WPRG). As far as I can find it was the first time it had been done; now it's no big deal as even NASCAR's in-car mics are in stereo. It's not the anouncers that you pan left-right; it's the crowd. If done right -- translation if the crowd is run right below the point of drowning out the anouncers, with the whole thing being mixed like a 3-hour rock concert -- it lends real excitement to the broadcast.
And from what we all saw, we may need that this year, eh?
As for stereo, w-a-a-a-y back yonder in 1979-80 we did all of our sports in stereo on the LSU radio station (then WPRG). As far as I can find it was the first time it had been done; now it's no big deal as even NASCAR's in-car mics are in stereo. It's not the anouncers that you pan left-right; it's the crowd. If done right -- translation if the crowd is run right below the point of drowning out the anouncers, with the whole thing being mixed like a 3-hour rock concert -- it lends real excitement to the broadcast.
And from what we all saw, we may need that this year, eh?
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Emarti
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Doctor_Technical said:
You are correct, sir!
And bust it you did! While you slap around Carl "As Well" Arrerondo, might I add Dawn Brown could just stand there in front of the green screen for two & half minutes during the weather segment and I'd be happy.
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nashdonal
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I can see Emarti is extremely thorough with his commentary, though I think some points I look at from another prespective.
John Gumm -- his departure may have left a bad taste with some people, I look at it differently. The Saturday before Katrina's landfall, his wife was going into labor and went with her to Birmingham, which was already pre-arranged & that's why Brad Panovich came back down from North Carolina to help out. After Katrina passed, he felt with the "polar opposite situations" of his son being born & Katrina destroying many parts of our area, including his own home, that it was time to move on. I know people focus of John's departure because he's in the weather department, but several reporters did leave immediately after as well...so frankly I don't hold anything against John for looking out for his family first.
David Bernard -- David at times did get "a little snippy", in fact, on the air he got mad at me on Christmas Day 2004 because I sent him a polite e-mail during that day's snow/frozen precip event just to let him know that snow was falling in Thibodaux...I did so as a gauge where he could have a "guidepost" as to what precip on the radar was snow, freezing rain, etc....w/o naming my name on the air he got absolutely upset with me stating "folks please don't send any e-mails stating it's snowing, things are busy enough here w/o any unnecessary comments...."
the crazy part to this day I have no idea why David blew his stack like that for I only wanted to be helpful to him. But I do believe that he & Eric Paulsen did get along.
Carl Arredondo -- Karen Swensen & him did get along, that day of the "taking notes" was a huge joke, nothing more.
Nash Roberts -- Tremendous presentor & scientist, great thing about him is he never cared to look at himself on TV because (based on his own quote with Ed Clancy during an interview in 1993) he said "I don't really care to look at myself because I know I may not be the best looking person on television." He's a tremendous class act.
Dan Milham -- Very straight forward, has done a lot in local weather in terms of self-educating himself since he doesn't have a pure scientific degree (in terms of a four-year program) though he does have a degree through the Mississippi State correspondence course.
Bob Breck -- I personally gave up on him some years back, it's not just the panic fits he throws....he often gets way too personal when attacking other people & other outlets, that's why I often wonder if wig glue vapors haven't damaged his brain cells.
Pat Shingleton -- Tremendous presenter, pretty good at self-educating himself at weather for someone who was originally a stand-up comedian. Enjoyable guy.
Jay Grymes -- Extremely knowledgable, likely the hardest working TV weatherman in Louisiana, vast background in climatology. Virtually no ego and to the point with every broadcast, he's the perfect fit in following Mike Graham who worked in Baton Rouge TV for 43 years.
Lafayette -- I've enjoyed Rob Perillo's weathercasts for years, he's adapted very well to our area as a native of the Bronx New York. Ryan Burchett as 10 does well, different style to delivering the weather, but still to the point. As for Ed Roy, I haven't been a fan of his mainly because I felt he didn't educate himself well in terms of the science, his background going into the TV business was in communications, not weather. It's just that people in Acadiana liked him as a TV personality in the 30 years he's been in the media, I always thought Nelson Robertson did a better job in his career in Lafayette.
Lake Charles -- Don't know much about that market, but I do know Rob Robin was definitely the historical king of TV weather there.
Alexandria -- A friend of mine knew Mr. Tom up there, he'll have a solid hold on that city, especially since Ch.31 in that city abandoned their news department some years back.
Monroe -- Neil Shaw has been a tremendous presentor of weather along with Larry Rhymes & Mike Pitts, all three gentleman don't have a four-year scientific degree but once again, were all solid in self-educating themselves in the science.
There are countless other broadcasters I followed over the years throughout Louisiana: Terry Burhans, Billy Taylor, Al Duckworth, Don Westbrook, Dave Barnes, Margaret Orr, on and on. Overall, most of them are good people, but as with anything in life nobody's perfect...but we should all try to be.
John Gumm -- his departure may have left a bad taste with some people, I look at it differently. The Saturday before Katrina's landfall, his wife was going into labor and went with her to Birmingham, which was already pre-arranged & that's why Brad Panovich came back down from North Carolina to help out. After Katrina passed, he felt with the "polar opposite situations" of his son being born & Katrina destroying many parts of our area, including his own home, that it was time to move on. I know people focus of John's departure because he's in the weather department, but several reporters did leave immediately after as well...so frankly I don't hold anything against John for looking out for his family first.
David Bernard -- David at times did get "a little snippy", in fact, on the air he got mad at me on Christmas Day 2004 because I sent him a polite e-mail during that day's snow/frozen precip event just to let him know that snow was falling in Thibodaux...I did so as a gauge where he could have a "guidepost" as to what precip on the radar was snow, freezing rain, etc....w/o naming my name on the air he got absolutely upset with me stating "folks please don't send any e-mails stating it's snowing, things are busy enough here w/o any unnecessary comments...."
the crazy part to this day I have no idea why David blew his stack like that for I only wanted to be helpful to him. But I do believe that he & Eric Paulsen did get along.
Carl Arredondo -- Karen Swensen & him did get along, that day of the "taking notes" was a huge joke, nothing more.
Nash Roberts -- Tremendous presentor & scientist, great thing about him is he never cared to look at himself on TV because (based on his own quote with Ed Clancy during an interview in 1993) he said "I don't really care to look at myself because I know I may not be the best looking person on television." He's a tremendous class act.
Dan Milham -- Very straight forward, has done a lot in local weather in terms of self-educating himself since he doesn't have a pure scientific degree (in terms of a four-year program) though he does have a degree through the Mississippi State correspondence course.
Bob Breck -- I personally gave up on him some years back, it's not just the panic fits he throws....he often gets way too personal when attacking other people & other outlets, that's why I often wonder if wig glue vapors haven't damaged his brain cells.
Pat Shingleton -- Tremendous presenter, pretty good at self-educating himself at weather for someone who was originally a stand-up comedian. Enjoyable guy.
Jay Grymes -- Extremely knowledgable, likely the hardest working TV weatherman in Louisiana, vast background in climatology. Virtually no ego and to the point with every broadcast, he's the perfect fit in following Mike Graham who worked in Baton Rouge TV for 43 years.
Lafayette -- I've enjoyed Rob Perillo's weathercasts for years, he's adapted very well to our area as a native of the Bronx New York. Ryan Burchett as 10 does well, different style to delivering the weather, but still to the point. As for Ed Roy, I haven't been a fan of his mainly because I felt he didn't educate himself well in terms of the science, his background going into the TV business was in communications, not weather. It's just that people in Acadiana liked him as a TV personality in the 30 years he's been in the media, I always thought Nelson Robertson did a better job in his career in Lafayette.
Lake Charles -- Don't know much about that market, but I do know Rob Robin was definitely the historical king of TV weather there.
Alexandria -- A friend of mine knew Mr. Tom up there, he'll have a solid hold on that city, especially since Ch.31 in that city abandoned their news department some years back.
Monroe -- Neil Shaw has been a tremendous presentor of weather along with Larry Rhymes & Mike Pitts, all three gentleman don't have a four-year scientific degree but once again, were all solid in self-educating themselves in the science.
There are countless other broadcasters I followed over the years throughout Louisiana: Terry Burhans, Billy Taylor, Al Duckworth, Don Westbrook, Dave Barnes, Margaret Orr, on and on. Overall, most of them are good people, but as with anything in life nobody's perfect...but we should all try to be.
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