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I guess we should talk about the ratings?

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Soon Yi CIV.V

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It's a little difficult to really discuss this with only the 6+ numbers but obviously it's a relatively fair gauge of performance. The difficulty level increases of course when usually-helpful web sites don't update their ratings page for some reason. (Ahem.) Plus, All Access has the December shares posted but hasn't updated the cume page. Bother! Anyway, here goes...

WBEB is still in first place (no one should be surprised) but their all-Christmas format bumped their December number by less than a point. Wasn't last year's December number somewhere around a 15-share?! I'm sure they're plenty happy...but at the same time, there has to be a bit of a stun factor.

WNUW has got to be thrilled with a nearly three-and-a-half point jump. Most of my all-Christmas listening went to them because I loved what they were doing...but I certainly didn't expect to see them reach 6.1.

WOGL's share actually dropped with all-Christmas which makes me sad because it could mean they'll never jump into the fray again. Personally, I thought they sounded awesome and certainly more interesting than B101. But who knows? The demos and cume may tell a different story. Meh. (CBS actually suffered a dip--and a significant one--with their New York City all-Christmas attempt as well.)

As we all suspected, WISX and WBEN benefited from so many people in town doing the all-Christmas format. WISX's 4.1 may well be their highest 6+ (or 12+) share since inception and I don't remember the last time WBEN was around 3.5.

Of course, these stations may all be waiting for the actual Christmas period ratings (which measured December 11 to January 7) before they pop any corks or caps. After all, that's the "book" where B101 got the 17.1 last year.

The question for all the stations above is what happens going forward? Is it possible that WBEN or WISX will hold onto any of the audience who flocked to them during Christmas? WBEN is pretty much status quo but I think WISX sounds a lot better than they did for the first year-and-a-half of its existence. (Though I heard "Let's Get It Started" the other day and they are still playing the file that skips--the first song they played back in 2006 and which skipped then too! How they can not care to fix that is beyond me.) And if some people do stick with WBEN and WISX, in conjunction with the people discovering WNUW, could this be an actual situation for WBEB? (We'll probably be enjoying our first stretch of warm weather before we can draw any educated conclusions on that last pondering.)

The only other thing in the 6+ shares that looks interesting to me is WPHT. I know that election season is over but to go 5.7 - 5.0 - 2.9 (Oct - Nov - Dec) is kinda ridiculous, isn't it? I don't really know much about their usual numbers because I don't usually pay attention to them. Are they normally around a 3 and they're simply settling back into their groove?

If anyone's seen demos or cume figures, I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to be enlightened! Hope everyone's having a great New Year so far!
 
I think they've been out for five days now. I can't imagine why they're not up yet.
 
Just got a look at the cume. BEN got a nice little uptick. WISX, meh.

B101's cume was up 125,400 while WNUW's was up 308,200. WOGL's was down 21,700 but they were still in second place, cume-wise. Might be worth noting that WMGK's cume dropped by 19,100 with the regular format... These things happen. While we're still talking about all-Christmas, WHAT-AM's cume dropped by 16,600 while their share slipped by 0.1. Think they'll try again next year? I vote "no."

I previously referenced WPHT so it's worth noting that their cume dropped 330,300. That's more than WNUW gained...so I'm getting confused about what the real story is here!
 
My guess is, the election bloodbath is over. Problem for WPHT (and probably WILM in Wilmington) is, Rush/Hannity and Beck on WPHT too). My guess is most folks are burned out on politics and the negativity, where the other side is never right, but always wrong. None of those guys wanted Obama to be elected dog catcher much less President, so my guess is (I've not tuned in to WPHT or WILM for the satellite talkers since the election), as their usual form will be [based on how Rush/Hannity] operated their shows during the Clinton years) would be to continue to snipe at everything the evil Democratic President and his henchmen/women in Congress think, say, or do as they seek to destroy America and make it a socialist haven in the Western Hemisphere, etc, etc.

Holland Cooke (a radio consultant), posted on the News/Talk thread here at RI discusses this issue and suggests (I'm paraphrasing as I interprete what he said) that many in the talk radio audience are fed up with political talk where the host is the only correct person, who talks most of the 3 hours like a political sermon type show (click over there to see Mr. Cooke's exact words on this topic). He believes that caller driven talk will pull in the ratings. Again, click on News/Talk thread and read his exact words, just in case I've not intrepreted his meaning correctly.

As Philly as well as PA/NJ/Del/Md all went solidly for Obama, the audience just may not want to hear those guys constant ranting about what's wrong with President Elect Obama, Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi.

That's my spin, any other thoughts ?
 
They're up now.

http://www.radio-info.com/site/markets/grid/philadelphia

Um, WLEV doesn't really have a 4.0 in the December Philly book, does it? That's a typo and is supposed to be a 0.4, right?

I'm amazed at the TSL talk stations like WIP, WPHT and especially WHYY get. Music stations need double the cume to get the same share.

It is interesting to me that WIP, cultural force that it's supposed to be, only has 12% of the population (526,200 out of 4,352,800) check it out even once in an entire month.

When did Bonnaduci start on WYSP? Because cume is down from last month.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
My guess is, the election bloodbath is over. Problem for WPHT (and probably WILM in Wilmington) is, Rush/Hannity and Beck on WPHT too). My guess is most folks are burned out on politics and the negativity, where the other side is never right, but always wrong. None of those guys wanted Obama to be elected dog catcher much less President, so my guess is (I've not tuned in to WPHT or WILM for the satellite talkers since the election), as their usual form will be [based on how Rush/Hannity] operated their shows during the Clinton years) would be to continue to snipe at everything the evil Democratic President and his henchmen/women in Congress think, say, or do as they seek to destroy America and make it a socialist haven in the Western Hemisphere, etc, etc.

Holland Cooke (a radio consultant), posted on the News/Talk thread here at RI discusses this issue and suggests (I'm paraphrasing as I interprete what he said) that many in the talk radio audience are fed up with political talk where the host is the only correct person, who talks most of the 3 hours like a political sermon type show (click over there to see Mr. Cooke's exact words on this topic). He believes that caller driven talk will pull in the ratings. Again, click on News/Talk thread and read his exact words, just in case I've not intrepreted his meaning correctly.

As Philly as well as PA/NJ/Del/Md all went solidly for Obama, the audience just may not want to hear those guys constant ranting about what's wrong with President Elect Obama, Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi.

That's my spin, any other thoughts ?

Some burn out and some coming down from the fever pitch of a heated election could both be at work. I don't think it's that the area went for Obama per se--there are more than enough conservatives to make a nice living. And much like happened in the Clinton years, once Obama is in the big chair, it's possible we'll see those numbers begin the climb back up, with a nice spike for the 2010 elections, especially if we're seeing a new "contract with America" type platform being run by the GOP. The loyalists are there rain or shine, and some who get stirred up by an impending election will come flocking back...all part of the circle.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
My guess is, the election bloodbath is over. Problem for WPHT (and probably WILM in Wilmington) is, Rush/Hannity and Beck on WPHT too).That's my spin, any other thoughts ?

WPHT's not a talk station. It's a clearinghouse for syndicated programming so sales packages can be enhanced to attract national advertisers.
 
Soon Yi CIV.V said:


The only other thing in the 6+ shares that looks interesting to me is WPHT. I know that election season is over but to go 5.7 - 5.0 - 2.9 (Oct - Nov - Dec) is kinda ridiculous, isn't it? I don't really know much about their usual numbers because I don't usually pay attention to them. Are they normally around a 3 and they're simply settling back into their groove?

Possible explanation/contributing factor for the WPHT dropoff: WPHT was the radio home of the 2008 World Champion Philadelphia Phillies baseball broadcasts through the end of October (NL Division Series vs. Milwaukee Brewers; NL Championship Series vs. Los Angeles Dodgers; World Series vs. Tampa Bay Rays; World Series Victory Parade), which probably spiked their ratings.
 
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