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Once again, they have 3 stations in the Top 5, so they're not exactly sacrificing much.

This is what it takes to make a rock station successful. As I've said, rock is dead in a lot of other cities because no one can make this kind of commitment.
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Their not sacrificing much? Have you ignored all the other posts besides your own? They may have 3 of the Top 5 stations, but they've used their other stations (staffs like 104.7 and 3ws in particular) in ways that allow them to make their focus DVE and to put money into DVE or spend it on DVE.

Read the posts on this board if you can't get off the fact that CC has 3 of the top 5 stations. They're only tops because there have been excellent talent given the boot on the five other stations, to allow for DVE to still have an overnight guy, or the DVE morning show to get whatever they want. It's also the reason KISS has a staff that has better paid people than in the past five years.

You're really earning your name TheBigA. Btw, it's not what makes a rock station successful. It's only to protect that mothership. (a sentiment that I hear often said in the CC building).
 
TheBigA said:
Once again, they have 3 stations in the Top 5, so they're not exactly sacrificing much.

This is what it takes to make a rock station successful. As I've said, rock is dead in a lot of other cities because no one can make this kind of commitment.
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This may be the first time on this board that someone has equated the existence of DVE with rock not being dead. Although maybe they're finally getting the point, because I think I've heard more currents on there the last 3 weeks than the previous 3 years...
 
TheBigA said:
This is what it takes to make a rock station successful. As I've said, rock is dead in a lot of other cities because no one can make this kind of commitment.
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Rock is dead in a lot of other cities for a number of reasons, one of which is that the PPM doesn't like it as well
as other formats. (Two formats the PPM likes: CHR and Oldies.)

I find Pittsburgh radio spectacularly unspectacular. DVE is a good station, sometimes very good, but not great
(in my opinion). The rest of the cluster is easily outdistanced by Cleveland. WMJI, as stripped-down as it now
has become, embarrasses 3WS. Kiss Cleveland (nee Akron) is consistently better than the Kiss here. WTAM is
a better talk station than WPGB. All of them also are Clear Channel stations. It probably doesn't hurt that the
Cleveland cluster has had Kevin Metheny and now Keith Abrams at the helm.

For another mediocre market, see Philadelphia. Other than WOGL, KYW and perhaps B-101, there's nothing too
exciting going on there.

C.
 
cingram said:
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I find Pittsburgh radio spectacularly unspectacular. DVE is a good station, sometimes very good, but not great
(in my opinion). The rest of the cluster is easily outdistanced by Cleveland.

C.
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Same could be said for Tampa. WFLZ is a heritage CHR, they have good New Rock (98 Rock) and Urban (WBTT) formats, a solid Country player (US103.5) which also carries the Tampa Bay Bucs. Only Mix on FM struggles with identity. On AM, WFLA is better than WPGB, they have one of the highest rated sports stations in the country, 620 WDAE carrying the Rays and Lightning (as well as simulcasting the Bucs games with the FM), and 1250 WHNZ which they broker. Not sure how they're allowed to own 8 stations in the market.
 
Erie has two rock stations, and has for years...how does a dinky market like Erie do that?...good programming on both?...
 
I find Pittsburgh radio spectacularly unspectacular. DVE is a good station, sometimes very good, but not great
(in my opinion). The rest of the cluster is easily outdistanced by Cleveland. WMJI, as stripped-down as it now
has become, embarrasses 3WS. Kiss Cleveland (nee Akron) is consistently better than the Kiss here. WTAM is
a better talk station than WPGB. All of them also are Clear Channel stations. It probably doesn't hurt that the
Cleveland cluster has had Kevin Metheny and now Keith Abrams at the helm.
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Clarke, your opion please. I understand Cleveleand is the hub where Pittsburgh gets its news and traffic. Could it be in the future that Cleveland becomes a hub for Pittsburgh in regards to formats? With CC using talents to pipe in to different markets (they do this with the X and 3ws on weekends), who's to say, they won't just wipe out one of these stations and use these "best of the best talents" ? (that's how the air personalities were approached when asked if they'd do it. They were told they want to use "the best of the best" Now, we all know that's not true...them being "the best"...they just wanted to use the ones who were scared not to say no).

I see this as another move the bean counters in Pittsburgh. Once again, they don't touch DVE and thus saves them by cutting money elsewhere.
 
Raymond said:
Their not sacrificing much? Have you ignored all the other posts besides your own?
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No. I just look beyond those two stations. As I said, they need those two stations in order to keep rock on the air in Pittsburgh. Otherwise, Pittsburgh would go the route of many other markets where heritage rock stations, like KLOL Houston, go away.
 
Raymond said:
Clarke, your opion please. I understand Cleveland is the hub where Pittsburgh gets its news and traffic. Could it be in the future that Cleveland becomes a hub for Pittsburgh in regards to formats? With CC using talents to pipe in to different markets (they do this with the X and 3ws on weekends), who's to say, they won't just wipe out one of these stations and use these "best of the best talents"?
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I'm surprised they haven't done this to 3WS yet, although in terms of talent, it's been emasculated several times
now.

It's hard to say what the plans are at CC Pittsburgh, but I'll bet Bain Capital could tell you. I highly doubt that it
would include the opposite of downsizing.

C.
 
Reality is that nationally they generate around $14 billion annually in revenue, and $10 Billion of it goes to debt.

As far as it being "a commitment to keep rock on the air", it's really a commitment to preserving the top biller in the cluster, which they do in every market. In NY, LA, and Tampa it's CHR. Here's it's rock.

104.7 was created primarily to knock KDKA out of the #1 12+ ranking. 94.5 and 105.9 are there as flankers for DVE. Kiss is there because CC generates a lot of national revenue with CHR (it's pretty much their best format, much as Classic Hits is CBS' best... but 3WS keeps CBS from cloning CBS-FM from NY, KLUV in Dallas or Q105 in Tampa here).

The commitment is to billing, not to rock.
 
Parttimer said:
As far as it being "a commitment to keep rock on the air", it's really a commitment to preserving the top biller in the cluster, which they do in every market. In NY, LA, and Tampa it's CHR. Here's it's rock.
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The money machine in NYC is WLTW, soft AC. It bills way more than Z100.

I agree the commitment is to billing. I never said there was a commitment to rock. The fact that it works and makes money keeps it on the air. If it didn't, rock would be gone, as it is in many other major markets. There may never be another rock station in NYC now that WRXP is gone.
 
I'm surprised they haven't done this to 3WS yet, although in terms of talent, it's been emasculated several times
now.

It's hard to say what the plans are at CC Pittsburgh, but I'll bet Bain Capital could tell you. I highly doubt that it
would include the opposite of downsizing.
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Thank you sir. I agree. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet, either. I especially agree with your last sentence.
 
garnet said:
Erie has two rock stations, and has for years...how does a dinky market like Erie do that?...good programming on both?...
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I've been saying for years (since deregulation) that dinky market programming is often better than big market programming, if they have actual human talent instead of a machine running it. Anyone who remembers GLU92 in Johnstown will agree with me on that...

BigA - WRXP is gone????? When did that happen???
 
You'll need to give CC your Facebook info in order to save presets on the app now!

(And to those of you like myself that actually had stations saved as favorites before downloading the upgrade of the iHeartRadio app... consider yourselves lucky.)
 
I don't have a Smartphone or an I Phone; I have a $20 Tracphone for emergencies, so CC can shove their sickening IHeartRadio promo up their transmitter. I am not on Facebook so they don't need that off of me either. What I have is a radio that plays 2 frequencies, AM and FM. What I need is a radio station that plays music that I like, (oldies rock & pop, R&B, Motown, etc.) from the '50's, '60's & '70's) that doesn't involve the same 50 songs each and every day. What I need is a station with DJ's that aren't computer-activated voices, but actual people sitting behind a mike that can interact with their listeners. Hey, I realize what I need. I need WJPA with a much stronger signal.
 
Actually, no. I think people are getting to the point where they're sick of not knowing how to work their own devices that were shoved down their throats under the guise of "newer and more always = better" and going back to simpler things.

That is my opinion, and you have yours. And yours is wrong :-*
 
1. It's not about the number of choices; it's about the quality of those choices.

2. I don't listen to the local CC stations, nor have I done so for some time now.

3. iHeartRadio will have to wrench my Facebook info from my cold, dead hands.

C.
 
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