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Any news about who is going to buy Radio One WILD( AM 1090) ?
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rapking said:
is this a play on their "I see black people..." TV One ad?
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It isn't worth all that much IMHO so why don't you put a bid of say 300K on it Mr RapKing?
You could easily get venture capital for that amount... the hard part is generating the cash to pay for everything from janitorial services to the leased tower space over on the 1430 tower in Medford.
With WBAL the protected clear channel AM on that frequency, it is very hard to make a go of a station like that.
In the winter hours you are literally full power for 7 hours a day. Everything else in daylight hours is at reduced power as the sun is going down, and it has been a while since I have seen a PSSA timetable for the Boston market, but with a 430 sundown in the winter they must be powering back by 1430 hours if I had to take a guess.
( WLYN GM want to comment on this since you are on a similar schedule)
The difference between WLYN and WILD is at night WLYN can still pump out a whopping 76 watts, where WILD goes dark at sunset. 76 watts at night still gives you some coverage of your C.O.L.. I just don't ever see 1090 in the Boston market ever getting authorization to run at night, and now that the FCC has given the green light to the IBOC stations to run at night any station close to 1090 within 100 miles is going to croak it. Heck if 1060 ever goes IBOC you'd be lucky to hear 1090 more than 20 miles from the tower site in the daytime.
The sad thing is that WILD may end up going dark. In its day it was a great station. Mr. Nash did community radio and he did i well.
Changing times, new technology, and the mainstreaming of urban music killed WILD.
You could easily get venture capital for that amount... the hard part is generating the cash to pay for everything from janitorial services to the leased tower space over on the 1430 tower in Medford.
With WBAL the protected clear channel AM on that frequency, it is very hard to make a go of a station like that.
In the winter hours you are literally full power for 7 hours a day. Everything else in daylight hours is at reduced power as the sun is going down, and it has been a while since I have seen a PSSA timetable for the Boston market, but with a 430 sundown in the winter they must be powering back by 1430 hours if I had to take a guess.
( WLYN GM want to comment on this since you are on a similar schedule)
The difference between WLYN and WILD is at night WLYN can still pump out a whopping 76 watts, where WILD goes dark at sunset. 76 watts at night still gives you some coverage of your C.O.L.. I just don't ever see 1090 in the Boston market ever getting authorization to run at night, and now that the FCC has given the green light to the IBOC stations to run at night any station close to 1090 within 100 miles is going to croak it. Heck if 1060 ever goes IBOC you'd be lucky to hear 1090 more than 20 miles from the tower site in the daytime.
The sad thing is that WILD may end up going dark. In its day it was a great station. Mr. Nash did community radio and he did i well.
Changing times, new technology, and the mainstreaming of urban music killed WILD.
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Neggy said:
The 1090 frequency is a liability. Urban radio should look to a futre with a completely different signal, AM or FM.
1060 could have been the one, they invested in going 24 hours. The signal of Radio Disney would have worked well too. The list of better, workable frequencies is long.
1090 would be OK for an ethnic or gospel station. Heck , I think 1090 would be better for a business station. Business radio doesn't need a 24 hour signal.
It would appear that Radio One, as a company, is selling off assets.
This does not bode well as a business model...In the short term, the stockholders
see a large return on their investment, but the company is left in a shambles, and
less able to reach the population they wish to serve.
When those who want an "urban" format or those who want a
"progressive talk" format actually buy the station - and put their
money where their mouth is - then maybe they will have some credibility
and stop whining. Why not join forces to buy the station? If you have
so much faith that either format is commercially viable, then surely you
could make a go of it...Good luck with that.
This does not bode well as a business model...In the short term, the stockholders
see a large return on their investment, but the company is left in a shambles, and
less able to reach the population they wish to serve.
When those who want an "urban" format or those who want a
"progressive talk" format actually buy the station - and put their
money where their mouth is - then maybe they will have some credibility
and stop whining. Why not join forces to buy the station? If you have
so much faith that either format is commercially viable, then surely you
could make a go of it...Good luck with that.
>>When those who want a...
"progressive talk" format actually buy the station
Stephen Mindich, come on down! While it is daytime only, it would be something at least. As I've
suggested before, he could set up "Boston Phoenix Talk Radio"--just build a studio or two at
the 'FNX studios. They could run local and national progressive talk shows and maybe have
some shows that would interview local musicians, artists, actors, and so on. Interview folks
from NORML about the effort to repeal pot laws. Have a band or musical artist come down to play live (maybe
one that would appeal to slightly older folks than the 'FNX demo--hey, have Don White
come down and sing about being from Lynn! Or do stations like WUMB or smaller college outlets already have
that covered pretty well?)
I don't know if he has the money but he might... WFNX (AM) 1090 and -FM 101.7. Who knows.
Might even make some money...the Phoenix does.
"progressive talk" format actually buy the station
Stephen Mindich, come on down! While it is daytime only, it would be something at least. As I've
suggested before, he could set up "Boston Phoenix Talk Radio"--just build a studio or two at
the 'FNX studios. They could run local and national progressive talk shows and maybe have
some shows that would interview local musicians, artists, actors, and so on. Interview folks
from NORML about the effort to repeal pot laws. Have a band or musical artist come down to play live (maybe
one that would appeal to slightly older folks than the 'FNX demo--hey, have Don White
come down and sing about being from Lynn! Or do stations like WUMB or smaller college outlets already have
that covered pretty well?)
I don't know if he has the money but he might... WFNX (AM) 1090 and -FM 101.7. Who knows.
Might even make some money...the Phoenix does.
Once again - you miss the point. The point is to put up your own resources.
You cannot "guilt" somebody else into changing formats to suit your agenda.
Mr. Mindich is a successful businessman. If he thought that the format you propose was
viable, he would have done so a long time ago...
A prediction: one year from today, both groups will still be whining, and accomplishing nothing.
It is so much eassier to blame others when the burden of proof is on yourselves...
You cannot "guilt" somebody else into changing formats to suit your agenda.
Mr. Mindich is a successful businessman. If he thought that the format you propose was
viable, he would have done so a long time ago...
A prediction: one year from today, both groups will still be whining, and accomplishing nothing.
It is so much eassier to blame others when the burden of proof is on yourselves...
And that's what I'm saying too--go ahead, get Mindich to put a station like that on and see if it'll
be a big success. (Remember Jon Sinton of Air America was quoted as saying, back in 2004,
that progressive talk would be on 600 stations "in five years". 3 1/2 yrs later, it's alive but not so
well...maybe 40-80 stations at most? Successful in Portland, OR, maybe...and since "Air America 2.0"
came aboard I have heard of one station picking it up (Atlantic City) while Memphis and perhaps
San Diego will drop it. Reasons: not owning stations (relying on the likes of Clr Chnl to put it on),
no local daily hosts, weak signals, agenda-driven, etc.
I'm just saying if they think they can do a successful job in putting it back on in Boston--on a station
they'd own, more power to them. Hey, I'm a capitalist. If people can buy books by fat Michiganers
about how dumb the President is, see movies by failed Presidential candidates about how "the planet
has a fever", and continually vote in one-party government, surely there must be a market for
prog talk. Or is everyone tuned to NPR instead? Dec 21, 2007 will mark one year since prog talk
left the Boston airwaves. Will it be back by then...?
>>A prediction: one year from today, both groups will still be whining, and accomplishing nothing.
I'd tend to agree, but if Mindich, er, put his money where his mouth is...
be a big success. (Remember Jon Sinton of Air America was quoted as saying, back in 2004,
that progressive talk would be on 600 stations "in five years". 3 1/2 yrs later, it's alive but not so
well...maybe 40-80 stations at most? Successful in Portland, OR, maybe...and since "Air America 2.0"
came aboard I have heard of one station picking it up (Atlantic City) while Memphis and perhaps
San Diego will drop it. Reasons: not owning stations (relying on the likes of Clr Chnl to put it on),
no local daily hosts, weak signals, agenda-driven, etc.
I'm just saying if they think they can do a successful job in putting it back on in Boston--on a station
they'd own, more power to them. Hey, I'm a capitalist. If people can buy books by fat Michiganers
about how dumb the President is, see movies by failed Presidential candidates about how "the planet
has a fever", and continually vote in one-party government, surely there must be a market for
prog talk. Or is everyone tuned to NPR instead? Dec 21, 2007 will mark one year since prog talk
left the Boston airwaves. Will it be back by then...?
>>A prediction: one year from today, both groups will still be whining, and accomplishing nothing.
I'd tend to agree, but if Mindich, er, put his money where his mouth is...
YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!!! You are expecting that he gives a rodent's behind about advancing YOUR political agenda! Why should he? Why should ANYBODY? If YOU think this format is so successful, then YOU buy it! YOU pay to keep it on the air. YOU pay to promote it. YOU beat the bushes trying to find advertisers to keep it afloat. Stop the WHINING, AND ACTUALLY ---- DO --- something constructive. Put up, or shut up. It is up to YOU -- nobody else... Enough of trying to make somebody ELSE your scapegoat. Get your stuff together, and get a clue...
For the record - I am NOT a conservative type - never have been, never will be...
For the record - I am NOT a conservative type - never have been, never will be...
Well I guess you answered the question as to why he hasn't put it on...I was just saying that IF he felt it
would work, he would have...and while there still is a chance, I haven't heard anything about him
considering it.
>>Stop the WHINING, AND ACTUALLY ---- DO --- something constructive.
Which is something the save prog talk Boston group maybe should do though their members so far have said,
impeach Bush, bring back the Fairness Doctrine, write Clear Channel, call Entercom, etc.
Someone with the save prog talk Boston group did tell me in person that something was up, something could happen, but I'll believe it when I hear it.
In the meantime http://www.nonstopradio.com has been trying to get groups started to "fight back"
and bring prog talk back to various cities. However it should be noted that other than one case
(Madison, WI) it has been unsuccessful and in some cases (like Burlington VT) I don't think there's even
been ANY effort/any "group" started.
It was like, oh, WTWK changed to women's talk. Oh well. Guess I'll just listen to stuff on my Ipod.
If there was a huge rally in downtown Burlington to bring back libtalk, I didn't hear about it.
I'm mostly conservative and love conservative talk shows but if a lib talk show interested me, I'd
tune in. So far... no go...and I'm just saying--well, you guys said you'd be on 600 stations in
5 years.
A year and a half to go.
>>For the record - I am NOT a conservative type - never have been, never will be...
You understand capitalism and the free market so I don't think you're
totally liberal
would work, he would have...and while there still is a chance, I haven't heard anything about him
considering it.
>>Stop the WHINING, AND ACTUALLY ---- DO --- something constructive.
Which is something the save prog talk Boston group maybe should do though their members so far have said,
impeach Bush, bring back the Fairness Doctrine, write Clear Channel, call Entercom, etc.
Someone with the save prog talk Boston group did tell me in person that something was up, something could happen, but I'll believe it when I hear it.
In the meantime http://www.nonstopradio.com has been trying to get groups started to "fight back"
and bring prog talk back to various cities. However it should be noted that other than one case
(Madison, WI) it has been unsuccessful and in some cases (like Burlington VT) I don't think there's even
been ANY effort/any "group" started.
It was like, oh, WTWK changed to women's talk. Oh well. Guess I'll just listen to stuff on my Ipod.
If there was a huge rally in downtown Burlington to bring back libtalk, I didn't hear about it.
I'm mostly conservative and love conservative talk shows but if a lib talk show interested me, I'd
tune in. So far... no go...and I'm just saying--well, you guys said you'd be on 600 stations in
5 years.
A year and a half to go.
>>For the record - I am NOT a conservative type - never have been, never will be...
You understand capitalism and the free market so I don't think you're
totally liberal
...in San Diego, there's a lot of people who want to save prog talk--evidently Clear Channel
shouldn't change the format to something that actually makes money (http://www.saveklsd.com/ ).
I got a kick out of one event being referred to as "the 'LSD rally' on the SD board...it refes to
the calls of course but I said to myself is that kind of like the Pot rally on the Common yesterday?
Will the police be arresting anyone?
Stand up for libtalk radio, folks, and tell the world: "I am on 'LSD!" ;D ;D
shouldn't change the format to something that actually makes money (http://www.saveklsd.com/ ).
I got a kick out of one event being referred to as "the 'LSD rally' on the SD board...it refes to
the calls of course but I said to myself is that kind of like the Pot rally on the Common yesterday?
Will the police be arresting anyone?
Stand up for libtalk radio, folks, and tell the world: "I am on 'LSD!" ;D ;D
The Save Progressive Talk group is totally clueless. They prefer to WHINE on a daily basis. They had their chance to actually DO something - they screwed it up. They have zero understanding of the radio business. Yes, this is a capitalistic country. The failure of communism had nothing to do with conservatives or politicians - there is just no incentive for the masses, under communism, to better themselves.
I have no wish to be a liberal. They cannot get things DONE. I'm just tired of all of the whining...
I have no wish to be a liberal. They cannot get things DONE. I'm just tired of all of the whining...
WLYNgm said:
First off, getting back on topic... WILD was a GREAT station back in the day.
Now... Mr. WLYNgm ... This IS a place to come and talk about Boston Radio, correct? I don't believe that raccoon was whining... he was adding to the discussion about what he thought might work as an alternative in terms of what's already "out there" on the dial.
Seriously, what promotion have YOU done lately for , what is it--- WLYN? What frequency is that station. What is the format? How many watts? Can you even pick it up across the street? Does anyone really care about WLYN? I could do a google search to find out, but I really couldn't be bothered.
You complain about the whining. Well I have seen you come on here and repeatedly whine about rap and hip hop music and the Urban formats... tell me, Mr. WLYNgm, what is YOUR personal agenda??? Before you bash the format, you should seriously take a look at how 94.5 and similar stations across the country are faring in the ratings.
Just my $0.02
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hey I CARE about WLYN every once in a while I get to work for them!
But back to the discussion...
I was reading the Providence boards and here is something we haven't seen in big numbers here K-LOVE. The nice folk that have applications in for every frequency known to man, for LPFM, translators, AM, FM, CB, Ham, you name it they want it.
Anyone think that is who might end up with 1090 if the price is right?
But back to the discussion...
I was reading the Providence boards and here is something we haven't seen in big numbers here K-LOVE. The nice folk that have applications in for every frequency known to man, for LPFM, translators, AM, FM, CB, Ham, you name it they want it.
Anyone think that is who might end up with 1090 if the price is right?
Yes I wasn't whining, I was making a suggestion which was basically saying, OK, libs, you have all these
people buying Moore's book, seeing Gore's move, voting for Deval, Kerry, Ted K, etc.; the "bluest state
in the country". So surely you can do successful talk radio...unlike us Neanderthal neo-cons who only
have Rush on about 600 stations and Hannity on over 500 Clear Channel gave it a shot--but, to be
honest, did not put local daily hosts on.
Yeah, the signal was no WRKO or WTKK but it was no WNSH, either (sorry, Keating--they're still off,
btw, in anticipation of the mighty 30kW by day signal). It did show up in the ratings, unlike conservative
talk WTTT, but apparently earnings weren't there, so it was dropped, senor, for musica latina. Had there
not been so much sports already on the air here, it could have easily been sports (Fox Sports 1200/1430,
anyone? But Premiere likes their relationship with WEEI)
I was just putting the idea out there and probably should have added, "Well, he hasn't done it so far,
so maybe I'm answering my own question".
>>what is YOUR personal agenda
Take it easy on Jeff... I think we all have some kind of agenda (mine is defending Howie when Casa
attacks him )
WLYNgm wrote:
>>They prefer to WHINE on a daily basis
If prog talk radio came back they could call in and whine
>>They have zero understanding of the radio business.
Well, some folks on there are actually in radio--Auntie Donna and Norm come to mind, and Auntie Donna
knows enough to say that Clr Chnl could have put local hosts on. Put local people on, make it entertaining,
promote it, don't be so agenda-driven than it drives people who aren't totally lefty away.
>>I have no wish to be a liberal. They cannot get things DONE.
And some conservatives can't get stuff done, either, though in this state conservatives are
quite rare--in office, at least--but people don't want to give them the chance (other than the
folks like Weld, Cellucci, Malone, etc.) to try to do something
>> I'm just tired of all of the whining...
Whining is part of boards like this, I guess. Red Sox fans can whine about stuff even if their club
(and I AM a huge Sox fan) is in first.
Anyway, no hard feelings. Relax, take it easy, enjoy channel flipping between the Sox and Pats tonight
people buying Moore's book, seeing Gore's move, voting for Deval, Kerry, Ted K, etc.; the "bluest state
in the country". So surely you can do successful talk radio...unlike us Neanderthal neo-cons who only
have Rush on about 600 stations and Hannity on over 500
Clear Channel gave it a shot--but, to behonest, did not put local daily hosts on.
Yeah, the signal was no WRKO or WTKK but it was no WNSH, either (sorry, Keating--they're still off,
btw, in anticipation of the mighty 30kW by day signal). It did show up in the ratings, unlike conservative
talk WTTT, but apparently earnings weren't there, so it was dropped, senor, for musica latina. Had there
not been so much sports already on the air here, it could have easily been sports (Fox Sports 1200/1430,
anyone? But Premiere likes their relationship with WEEI)
I was just putting the idea out there and probably should have added, "Well, he hasn't done it so far,
so maybe I'm answering my own question".
>>what is YOUR personal agenda
Take it easy on Jeff... I think we all have some kind of agenda (mine is defending Howie when Casa
attacks him
)WLYNgm wrote:
>>They prefer to WHINE on a daily basis
If prog talk radio came back they could call in and whine
>>They have zero understanding of the radio business.
Well, some folks on there are actually in radio--Auntie Donna and Norm come to mind, and Auntie Donna
knows enough to say that Clr Chnl could have put local hosts on. Put local people on, make it entertaining,
promote it, don't be so agenda-driven than it drives people who aren't totally lefty away.
>>I have no wish to be a liberal. They cannot get things DONE.
And some conservatives can't get stuff done, either, though in this state conservatives are
quite rare--in office, at least--but people don't want to give them the chance (other than the
folks like Weld, Cellucci, Malone, etc.) to try to do something
>> I'm just tired of all of the whining...
Whining is part of boards like this, I guess. Red Sox fans can whine about stuff even if their club
(and I AM a huge Sox fan) is in first.
Anyway, no hard feelings. Relax, take it easy, enjoy channel flipping between the Sox and Pats tonight
Ok, curiosity got the best of me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLYN
WLYN is a leased-time ethnic station in the Boston market.
700 watts day,
76 watts night
That's all anyone needs to know.
*Closes book*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLYN
WLYN is a leased-time ethnic station in the Boston market.
700 watts day,
76 watts night
That's all anyone needs to know.
*Closes book*
>>Anyone think that is who might end up with 1090 if the price is right?
Could be. But first you're going to play...PLINKO...with a chance to win 10,000 in cash!
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLYN
WLYN was the station across the hall from where I did my college internship--WFNX (1983-84).
I helped out Henry Santoro and Margie Coombs. Once in awhile I popped into 'LYN to get something
from the soda machine. They were running ethnic tapes.
Years ago they used to cover the Classical (my alma mater, yay) v. English games every
Thanksgiving. Probably gone now. This past year, Salem-Beverly game almost didn't wind up on
local radio--'ESX had gone Spanish and didn't want it. WMWM (my station) picked it up (and
we found out later 'NSH did, too!) via a web feed (guy doing the game on his site...on a remote
board with a cellphone modem that kept shorting out due to torrential rain!)
Could be. But first you're going to play...PLINKO...with a chance to win 10,000 in cash!
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLYN
WLYN was the station across the hall from where I did my college internship--WFNX (1983-84).
I helped out Henry Santoro and Margie Coombs. Once in awhile I popped into 'LYN to get something
from the soda machine. They were running ethnic tapes.
Years ago they used to cover the Classical (my alma mater, yay) v. English games every
Thanksgiving. Probably gone now. This past year, Salem-Beverly game almost didn't wind up on
local radio--'ESX had gone Spanish and didn't want it. WMWM (my station) picked it up (and
we found out later 'NSH did, too!) via a web feed (guy doing the game on his site...on a remote
board with a cellphone modem that kept shorting out due to torrential rain!)
My personal agenda - to make a living in the broadcast business (as I have done for 20+ years), working for legal, legitimate stations, which operate under the law. I have paid my dues, and put in my time. I would bet that you have not done so...
WLYN and WAZN program to a niche audience. Personally, I am not part of that niche.
As a listener, I have my own personal favorites. Personally, I do not care if you listen to us or not.
Among the communities we serve, we are well known. Ask around... Our company is privately owned, and is growing. www.mrbi.net We program in foreign languages - different languages are dominant in different cities. That is what we do...
I, personally, have no use for rap and hip-hop. None. Anybody who chooses to program that - that is their right - as long as they have a valid license. I do not whine to anybody that they should not be allowed to do so - but I would not, personally, waste one second of my time listening to , or supporting them.
The main difference is: I am actually doing, not talking about doing. Your two cents is worth just that...
WLYN and WAZN program to a niche audience. Personally, I am not part of that niche.
As a listener, I have my own personal favorites. Personally, I do not care if you listen to us or not.
Among the communities we serve, we are well known. Ask around... Our company is privately owned, and is growing. www.mrbi.net We program in foreign languages - different languages are dominant in different cities. That is what we do...
I, personally, have no use for rap and hip-hop. None. Anybody who chooses to program that - that is their right - as long as they have a valid license. I do not whine to anybody that they should not be allowed to do so - but I would not, personally, waste one second of my time listening to , or supporting them.
The main difference is: I am actually doing, not talking about doing. Your two cents is worth just that...
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Neggy
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OK full disclosure I have worked for WLYN in the past and would like not to burn to many bridges here.
Never know when I'll need a gig.
The LYN you worked for is long gone. MRBI owns it, and it is leased time ethnic, so unless you speak Portuguese or spanish, chances are you are going to go right by it. But the people who do purchase air time are very passionate about their message, which is usually of a religious nature and do get the phones to light up.
For 710 watts daytime, 210 pre sunset, 76 whopping night time watts it sells pretty well too.
They share office/studio space with co-owned WAZN, are well run, have great facilities, and not a bad outfit to work for. ( in radio that means the checks were always there when they were supposed to be, the amounts were correct, and they didn't bounce!)
Never know when I'll need a gig.
The LYN you worked for is long gone. MRBI owns it, and it is leased time ethnic, so unless you speak Portuguese or spanish, chances are you are going to go right by it. But the people who do purchase air time are very passionate about their message, which is usually of a religious nature and do get the phones to light up.
For 710 watts daytime, 210 pre sunset, 76 whopping night time watts it sells pretty well too.
They share office/studio space with co-owned WAZN, are well run, have great facilities, and not a bad outfit to work for. ( in radio that means the checks were always there when they were supposed to be, the amounts were correct, and they didn't bounce!)
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