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I think Pittsburgh radio sucks

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I expect to be critiqued on this, but this is how it looks to me. Pittsburgh's FM band seems to really lack diversity in programming . Sure you have WQED, WRCT, and WYEP, but what about the rest?

4 stations that play a lot of the same AC stuff

2 Faith based stations in the commercial band

one station repeated over and over (104.3 etc)

Two classic hits stations owned by CC ( WDVE sounds like it to me)

3 repeaters that could be good, but they are feeble even in the car.

Sorry, but I found the FM band really disappointing compared to Tampa Bay that includes Tampa's robo Cox outlets
 
Frankly, IMHO, I take it a step further and say that Pittsburgh radio isn't the only thing that sucks... radio today in general sucks... but then again I'm no longer in the demo that matters so the point is moot.
 
That's why my favorite radio stations are not in Pittsburgh proper (WKVE, WJPA, WKHB) or are the college stations.

And I would say putting "diversity in programming" and "WYEP" in the same sentence is a bit of a stretch on many days.
 
"diversity in programming" equates to anything that fits my political ideology.
If it does not fit my own personal agenda then it is "old", "boring", "stuffy", "sucks", "conventional", "unimaginative"
Everyone feels that their own interests, opinions and tastes are progressive, hip and cool.
2 Faith based stations in the commercial band
agree, two is not enough, PGH needs a few more.
 
Radio overall is a pathetic excuse for what was a great intertainment industry in the past. With that being said, AMs in the late 60s and 70s were getting stale and pretty corporate. That's one of the real reasons FM took off when it did.
 
Rallen1st said:
but then again I'm no longer in the demo that matters so the point is moot.

That's exactly right, which is why the stations don't care. They have a choice: They can program to old white men, or make money. Which would you choose if your job depended on it?

Nothing's ever as great as it used to be. Including the music. Don't get me started on that. Would someone please tell these new "artists" that it's all been done before? Please try something new. Or go home. There's no need to remake the same old stuff.

Here's the truth: Radio is no longer limited to where you live. If Pittsburgh radio sucks, we all have the power to listen to radio from any other town, or do the Pandora thing. I've read the rules and regs, and no where in there does it say that radio stations have to provide program diversity. But if they did, the FCC is so weak, they'd never enforce it.
 
Stearns said:
"diversity in programming" equates to anything that fits my political ideology.
If it does not fit my own personal agenda then it is "old", "boring", "stuffy", "sucks", "conventional", "unimaginative"
Everyone feels that their own interests, opinions and tastes are progressive, hip and cool.
2 Faith based stations in the commercial band
agree, two is not enough, PGH needs a few more.

whaaaa??? Nothing to do with politics, I just think that for what it's supposed to be, WYEP plays an awfully lot of the same type of music and ESPECIALLY in the daytime. Like banana cream pie, I like it fine, I just don't want to ingest it all day every day.
 
I did not use "diversity" as a political point. I meant that the Pittsburgh FM band has a lot of repetition in formats and lots of format holes. Like you can get the same thing on 94.9, 103.5. 104.3, and 105.5 if not more. This is what I mean. 92.9, 96.9, 99.7, and 100.7 have serious overlaps-----no politics here
 
I have to totally disagree with your assessment of Pittsburgh radio. After moving to Central PA in 2009 I yearn for Pittsburgh radio. Here in Lancaster where I'm at, I can tune up the FM dial and starting at 92.1 hear a classic rock station, hip hop station, religious broadcast station, an oldies station, several CHR, 2 Hot AC's, 5 country stations and another classic rock station on the other end of the dial. Unlike Pittsburgh, we don't have an Alternative station, no FM sports station, no "Bob" station and no FM News/Talk.

This area really is boring for FM, and like was mentioned, I often turn on Pandora or TuneIn Radio, and can listen to just about all the FM stations back in Pittsburgh. If I don't like what's playing on 105.9 The X or if it's a commercial, I listen to DC 101.

Trust me, you don't know what boring is out there in Pittsburgh.
 
SteelRocker said:
I have to totally disagree with your assessment of Pittsburgh radio. After moving to Central PA in 2009 I yearn for Pittsburgh radio. Here in Lancaster where I'm at, I can tune up the FM dial and starting at 92.1 hear a classic rock station, hip hop station, religious broadcast station, an oldies station, several CHR, 2 Hot AC's, 5 country stations and another classic rock station on the other end of the dial. Unlike Pittsburgh, we don't have an Alternative station, no FM sports station, no "Bob" station and no FM News/Talk.

This area really is boring for FM, and like was mentioned, I often turn on Pandora or TuneIn Radio, and can listen to just about all the FM stations back in Pittsburgh. If I don't like what's playing on 105.9 The X or if it's a commercial, I listen to DC 101.

Trust me, you don't know what boring is out there in Pittsburgh.

I think you make a valid point, but a general rule of thumb is that the larger the market the better the radio.

I don't think that's an absolute rule- for instance I think the radio I've heard in recent years in Washington, DC isn't anything to write home about. In terms of formats and on air talent I think Pittsburgh has the nation's capital beat, which is saying something when considering the incredible talent DC has had through the years.

I'm familiar with one medium sized market that I used to work in and the overall quality of radio, as compared to Pittsburgh, is just awful.

But to say that you're eating better than the prisoners in Andersonville is not necessarily saying you're eating well. Yes, Pittsburgh has hidden gems on the air. But the question we're wondering is if the overall quality of Pittsburgh radio, though almost unquestionably better than most medium sized markets, is worthy of a Top 25 market.

Some of my pet peeves-

Talk show hosts or DJs who have mailed it in.

Broadcasters who instead of engaging the listener, insult it. This seems to be very prevailent in Pittsburgh. Criticism can be constructive, but how often is it given here and it's only mean spirited?

Give you an example- Yinzer humor. Jim Krenn knew how to do it because while Stanley P. Kachowski was a parody of a Pittsburgher, he wasn't insulting, he was funny.

How often is yinzer humor nowadays just insulting? How often do broadcasters around here use the phrase as a pejorative term? Do broadcasters in, say, Canada use "Canuck" with scorn and not affection all the time?

The fact that any rock radio station has ever had "Piano Man" in their playlist. Meanwhile many bands from the 80s I grew up with, even those with local ties such as Poison, aren't on the playlist of classic rock radio stations. When I listen to rock, I want my senses to be aroused.

Few local talk shows that actually deal with local issues. And those we have had have often historically gone into suck-up mode.

I've written all of this before so I apologize for being repetitive myself. But it's my opinion.

One last point- I am somewhat surprised you say this about radio in Lancaster. I can't say I'm any expert on the market but as a young teenager I lived in South Central PA and I think that's where part of my own love of media came from. I was getting newspapers and broadcasts, both radio and TV, from major markets like Washington (where have you gone, Greaseman, Ken Beatrice, Ken Herzog, Don & Mike, etc.) Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, Pittsburgh, and the state capital.

That was high quality stuff, and it had an influence. Local media often had to be of higher quality than one would expect from a market the size of the Lancaster area because of the location and the influence of the neighboring larger markets.

I realize everyone has a romantic notion for everything that was around when they were a young teen, but I remember listening to WIKZ in Hagerstown-Chambersburg a generation ago and hearing a well programmed CHR station (or Top 40, to use the term of the day) with lively DJs who would often go on to major markets. The radio stations in that area generally had to be good, or else the listeners would just tune into a station that could be heard from one of the major markets above.

Does the fact the sports or news station broadcasts on AM in Lancaster instead of FM really make a difference in the quality of the broadcast? Wouldn't having two classic rock stations and no alternative or modern rock station be more a statement about the conservative nature of the market that might be a bit behind the times as compared to Pittsburgh?

I like "Bob" here in Pittsburgh, but is there really no station in Lancaster that plays 80s music?

Just wonderin'.
 
I have also moved to Central Pa from the Pittsburgh market and after a year and a half of listening to Cent Pa radio I believe Cumulis and Clear Channel have combined to completly ruin radio in this market. Up and down the dial, both FM and AM is completly booring. Morning drive makes me want to drink bleach.
 
Kurt Toy said:
And still no jazz station nearly a year later.

Hardly any markets have a commercial jazz station these days and that includes Smooth Jazz.

Radio pretty much sounds the same in every market now. Not any one market stands out as being especially good or bad...it's all kind of bland.
 
Jay F said:
Kurt Toy said:
And still no jazz station nearly a year later.

Hardly any markets have a commercial jazz station these days and that includes Smooth Jazz.

Radio pretty much sounds the same in every market now. Not any one market stands out as being especially good or bad...it's all kind of bland.

The taste of corporate cardboard. Nothing is outstanding. Everything sucks at the same level.
 
So why hasn't someone picked up The Pittsburgh Jazz Channel on an HD signal? That is where the DUQ jazz people ended up. They are distributing to 50+ stations nationwide but no outlet in Pittsburgh. Tony Mowod every weeknight. http://pghjazzchannel.net
 
loeper said:
I have also moved to Central Pa from the Pittsburgh market and after a year and a half of listening to Cent Pa radio I believe Cumulis and Clear Channel have combined to completly ruin radio in this market. Up and down the dial, both FM and AM is completly booring. Morning drive makes me want to drink bleach.
Isn't that the truth! I'm glad you agree with my assessment of Central PA vs the Pittsburgh market. You don't realize what you have until you move into this area.

Pratt4Life, excellent response, I also think Central PA had excellent choices in radio back in the 70s-90s, however, those stations are just corporate junk now. When I lived in this area growing up, I could listen to Philly, Lancaster, Harrisburg, Baltimore and WSTW in Wilmington. They're all gone now.

Heck, I'd even take a Mark Madden here in Central PA if he would come out here. I know Fred Honsberger has passed away, but the only local talent (I use that term loosely) is R.J. Harris....nothing like what the Hons was like. I guess it's corporate greed. As for an 80s station around here, none that I know of but we're drowning in classic rock and country music stations....ho hum.
 
gimmus said:
So why hasn't someone picked up The Pittsburgh Jazz Channel on an HD signal? That is where the DUQ jazz people ended up. They are distributing to 50+ stations nationwide but no outlet in Pittsburgh. Tony Mowod every weeknight. http://pghjazzchannel.net

Most likely because there isn't going to be a big enough return to justify playing jazz to a very small slice of the listening audience that would faithfully listen to it.
 
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