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Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers

Tom Wells said:
It is certainly true that non-disclosure clauses are common. I have used these in my patent dealings. Language preventing public disscussion of this technology would be easy enough to craft without being an overt gag order. I have seen one or two posts removed quickly when it seems
the poster shows enough inside knowledge coupled with an HD-averse opinion.

I have not seen such incidents, so would be interested in knowning what sort of content seems to you to have been deleted.

I knew full well at the beginning of my formal radio engineering education that I would not go into radio broadcast, much as I might like.
It was clearly being squeezed to death back in the 70's by format calcification and serving the bottom line.
When it became clear the FCC 1st class ticket was to be eliminated, I was happy I had made "other plans".

That is a pretty common occurance today, unfortunately. I only compared the "lack of the gag order" with your not being employed in radio to show that the gag order looks like urban legend and thus does not exist, just as your not being in radio! I did not mean it as a criticism, just a fact.
 
hipporadio said:
Tom... You don’t need to justify your employment and profession here to the likes of D.E.

My intent was totally misinterpreted by you. Tom has no job in radio. There is no gag order. Two truths, one based on a personal and well reasoned decision by Tom and one based on the desire of those who do not see HD as an opportunity to create justifications for their opposition top the technology.
 
Savage said:
Well, there you have it. One of IBOC-AM's biggest proponents has just made my case far more persuasively than I could. Hear Mr. Cris Alexander: "Well, the interference shouldn't be too bad as long as relatively few stations turn on HD-AM at night."

Just imagine if Ibiquity ran a restaurant:

"Come to the IBOC Cafe! We've had 100 cases of ptomaine so far this year, prices are high and the service is slow. But we're pleased to announce: the food still sucks, and patrons are still horking all over their shoes, but there are 30% fewer cases of waiters dumping soup on people!!

Then there is the issue of HD-Radio's weaker signal in relation to the analog signal and that, reportedly, HD-AM does not work well with directional antenna configurations.

If a station broadcasts, say 5 Kw day, but is forced to power down to under 200 watts at night, does it even make sense to broadcast HD? How much penetration would the HD signal achieve at such low power levels? How would the HD signal be affected as the pattern changes?

I'm sure that is something else AM station owners have to consider as they contemplate going HD at night.

db
 
dbdigital said:
If a station broadcasts, say 5 Kw day, but is forced to power down to under 200 watts at night, does it even make sense to broadcast HD? How much penetration would the HD signal achieve at such low power levels? How would the HD signal be affected as the pattern changes?

In the top 100 markets, were HD development is focused, any station with 200 watts at night is not a viable competitor anyway. HD will only benefit full market signals as the reset generally can't compete anyway. There are probably less than 250 stations in the top 50 markets that are viable based on having a competitive full metro (MSA) signal. In fact, there are a couple such markets that have no viable AMs.
 
Okay, okay, okay! Hipporadio's got it! And - gulp - SO DOES DAVID EDUARDO!

Typing that feels like living - well, your favorite verse from Revelations, pick one.

So now, all we have to do is find the right "marketing phrase" to launch nighttime IBOC. How about this:

"The THRILLING, NEW WORLD OF DIGITAL NOISE-FREE STEREO now comes to YOUR AM RADIO!! TONIGHT!!!
GET HD RADIO TODAY....EXPLORE A NEW WORLD OF WONDERFULNESS WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN!!"

(Time-compressed disclaimer tag) "Offer applies only within 15 kilometers of stations operating on the lower-half of the AM broadcast band with power of greater than 25,000 watts. Claim for 'noise-free' reception may not always apply. Sidebands may vary in amplitude, causing noise to increase for digital stream listeners. Stereo sound not available in all areas. Signals from distant stations may inhibit digital reception. Outdoor antenna strongly recommended. Reception may depend on type of radio purchased, consumer should buy several and return units which fail to perform as expected. If digital signal is not available, you may hear the analog signal instead. Analog signal degradation from HD-AM system may affect your listening pleasure. This station may or may not operate in digital mode in nighttime hours. Other terms and local conditions may apply. Be sure to check for availability, directional antenna patterns, transmitter powers, hours of operation, and satisfactory reception with the chief engineer of your local AM stations."

And then: the unattended operation rolls the colon-blow show...
 
DavidEduardo said:
...HD will only benefit full market signals as the rest generally can't compete anyway. There are probably less than 250 stations in the top 50 markets that are viable based on having a competitive full metro (MSA) signal.

Exactly the reason the IBOC system was cynically-flawed from the git-go – and very-possibly for a surreptitious agenda! Considering the consortium of its developers [monolithic corporate radio]; its otherwise cash-conscience customers [monolithic corporate radio]; and those that promote it to a point that defies reason [monolithic corporate radio] – one can surly wonder what the motes really is. “Only full market signals” is high-kW corporate radiospeak for: “My transmitter on the skyscraper downtown is bigger and more important than yours behind the mall in the 'burbs, so only I get to benefit”... You stealthily-stated as much, David!

Remember, the Telecom Corporate Radio Monopoly Act and dreams of the “cluster” were not [yet] a reality when the intercourse that created IBOC was occurring... HOLY COW – what a demonstrative incident of unsafe sex that was :eek: Could said consortium have manipulated radio’s digital future [taking advantage of an FCC still “smarting” from the AM-Stereo debacle] to preclude smaller broadcasters from attaining the very-slightest measure of parody out in lower-power AM and Class A FM territory? Simply-stated for those living in Rio Linda: The current flavor of “HD” Radio may never have been intended for “the small guy”! Before you scream Art Bell and conspiracy, reflect on the past conduct of the NAB—now there’s a Radio Shack with very-telling answers in the form of their continuous barrage of misadventure directed at smaller stations and proposed services!

Now, iNiquity licensee Broadcast Electronics is in wishful-thinking mode with a posture reflecting arrogance, desperation, or both – inventing an initiative to sell “HD” Radio to small market [concurrently low power] stations they well-know cannot technically and economically-benefit [I guess DE's employer has a full compliment of shiny-new IBOC-enabled rigs, so BE needs a new forest to buzz-saw]. Holding hands with GE Capital—the corporate equivalent of a disadvantaged consumer’s corner finance company; BE hopes for a new sales angle; and iNiquity dreams of keeping the equity-fund hounds at bay by luring the Homer Simpons of Hazard, Kentucky radio onto the IBOC bust-wagon.

http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2007/1060

Stay tuned... The comedy-turned-drama is turning comedic again :D
 
hipporadio said:
Exactly the reason the IBOC system was cynically-flawed from the git-go – and very-possibly for a surreptitious agenda!

Crippled AMs are not generally viable in the major markets to begin with; the vast majority would have no use for HD as the programming is brokered, niche ethnic, religious, etc.

Keep in mind that Spanish language broadcasting got started "big time" in the 70s as limited AMs, which had been able to survive when other AMs were the only competiton, could no longer survive as music audiences moved to FM. So many owners in markets like Houston or Fresno or Salinas with daytimers, high band frequencies or severe directionals went Spanish... until that market grew so much that FMs with good sound and signals killed most of the Spanish langauge AMs in the significant markets.

The kind of AM that looks for such niche programming opportunities can not generally compete for ratings based revenue. And they make lousy HD facilites.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Crippled AMs are not generally viable in the major markets to begin with; the vast majority would have no use for HD as the programming is brokered, niche ethnic, religious, etc... The kind of AM that looks for such niche programming opportunities can not generally compete for ratings based revenue. And they make lousy HD facilites.

So shut them off and "thin the herd". The FCC permitted that "herd" to become unmanagable in the first place... Now they're off on yet another coffee break when when the licensee effectively transfers program authority to the highest bidder for 29 or 59-minute blocks of time – and the remaining minute usually-constitutes an announcement inviting additional wannabe radio stars to try-out the unsold hours. And what ever happened to the public service commitment... I guess today’s definition of "public service" is the mere availability of chunks of time for sale; but I digress...

So what facility might make for an acceptable HD station? A full 50kW non-directional on 540 kHz with a 1500-foot half-wave stick? ...And don’t forget to locate it at a reasonable distance from "agency row" so it can make those iNiquity license payments from its abundance of "ratings-based revenue". Think of the bonus to other broadcasters the use of the 540 kHz frequency provides – only half the number of adjacent channels get buzzed, but what about the TIS on 530 kHz?

I’ve wondered if the FCC is sensitive to that scenario. Do they preclude IBOC operation on 550, 560, and possibly 570 in markets with a TIS on the left-end?

I recently heard about a ruckus in Dallas concerning IBOC interference from a nearby Hispanic station with the TIS at DFW airport. In Cincinnati, CCU owns the four most-viable AMs in the market on 550, 700, 1360, and 1530. WKRC at 550 kHz is the only one not transmitting "HD" and it is the second-most-potent of the four in coverage and ratings. Could this be a TIS-related issue?
 
hipporadio said:
I recently heard about a ruckus in Dallas concerning IBOC interference from a nearby Hispanic station with the TIS at DFW airport. In Cincinnati, CCU owns the four most-viable AMs in the market on 550, 700, 1360, and 1530. WKRC at 550 kHz is the only one not transmitting "HD" and it is the second-most-potent of the four in coverage and ratings. Could this be a TIS-related issue?

TIS stations have about zero rights... they are subject to interference with no option but to change channel 1360 is not a viable signal, and 1530 is not either based on missing a good part of the market at night and not getting a good enough one in the outer counties daytime.
 
There has been no "gag order" re: HD, directly or indirectly.

OK?

We can work to make the technology work, or not.
This is what we've got, no one said it would be easy
to make new technology play. It has promise and that's what we do-
We try to make it work.

Just like the first days of FM stereo or those wretched early days of
color TV.

My job as an engineer is to solve problems. And I will
continue to do so to the best of my ability, not whine on the
internet and post crap. I have no respect for anyone involved in the latter.
 
Boulder Engineer said:
There has been no "gag order" re: HD, directly or indirectly.

OK?

We can work to make the technology work, or not.
This is what we've got, no one said it would be easy
to make new technology play. It has promise and that's what we do-
We try to make it work.

Just like the first days of FM stereo or those wretched early days of
color TV.

My job as an engineer is to solve problems. And I will
continue to do so to the best of my ability, not whine on the
internet and post crap. I have no respect for anyone involved in the latter.

Your statement above certainly qualifies as a prime example of a whining internet crap post.
Why are you whining about other peoples posts about HD radio?
Why shouldn't others have the right to post their evidence, thoughts, opinions, reasons, and anything just about anything else about the topic?
Your way or the highway, right?
You seem to be stuck and struggling mightily with the new, defective, and/or deficient, technology of HD radio that no one seems to want except some large broadcast conglomerates and a few early adopters.
If virtually no one is listening in HD or buying the radios, it seems doomed to failure.
At least FM stereo and RCA's compatible color TV system did no harm. Not the case with HD radio.
FM stereo and color TV were compatible with mono FM and monochrome TV.
The CBS sequential scan color system was not compatible, was rejected and required everyone buy new TV sets in order to watch. HD requires the same new expensive, proprietary receiver purchase in order to listen and interferes with existing analog reception.
You make HD radio sound like some incurable disease. It's what we've got so learn to live with it and like it, regardless of the harm it does.
HD radio does more harm then good. The HD AM system is short range with low bitrate, artifacts, jams adjacent channels, reduces analog fidelity, increases noise , and sounds worse then high fidelity AM.
The HD FM system jams adjacent channels, is not "on channel", is also short range, complex, expensive, proprietary, and when the available bandwidth is divided between HD1, 2, 3 and data provides little quality improvement and shorter range then a high quality analog FM stereo signal.
Both should be banned. HD AM and HD FM should be sent back to the laboratory, and for FM a truly "In Band On Channel" digital solution that does no harm such as FMeXtra should be adopted as the digital FM standard.
www.dreinc.com
 
Why are you whining about other peoples posts about HD radio?
Why shouldn't others have the right to post their evidence, thoughts, opinions, reasons, and anything just about anything else about the topic?
Your way or the highway, right?

Where is your "evidence"? this "gag order" assertion has been laid to rest by David Edwardo and the engineer from Boston.

No evidence to the contrary has been provided.

Your way or the highway, right?

-The approach you have taken should anyone dare express positive opinions of this system.


The CBS sequential scan color system was not compatible, was rejected and required everyone buy new TV sets in order to watch.

Partially wrong. The CBs system was rejected inpart because it mechanical scanning in both camera and receiver. It was also Iconoscope based and required an enormus 1200 fc for full video. I met serveral NBC engineers who had worked on this system and they told of how they, and floor managers, boom ops etc often wore sunglasses in the studio. The CBS system was crude, even for 1951.

The RCA system was not without it's compromises, receivers had to have their bandwidth restricted to no more than 3mhz to avoid seeing a fine pattern of dots due to the chroma stream. In practice this meant most tv's had to be trapped at no more than 2.5mhz and there were compatability problems with some older sets regarding the horizontal "back porch" which now contained the chroma sync burst.

The cameras weren't too sensitive either. As someone who was on color tv repeatedly in the mid-sixties the lighting was hot even with AC an average of 400fc.

HD requires the same new expensive, proprietary receiver purchase in order to listen and interferes with existing analog reception.

Do you know when color sets outsold B&W? 1972-nineteen years after the system was developed. The first color set (ctc100) isold for over $800 in 1954 dollars. It is foolish for you to portray any tech's introductory price as a case for failure.

It is simply a lie to state that iboc FM causes interference. The AM version is another matter and there may end up being some class action lawsuits if things turn out badly re-night operation.

The fact is that compatible, on-channel digital broadcasting has been given approval in the USA and spreading lies and opinion as fact is pointless.

This thing will live or die in the marketplace and it will be a decade before there is a verdict.

Lino
 
LinoNYC said:
Do you know when color sets outsold B&W? 1972-nineteen years after the system was developed. The first color set (ctc100) isold for over $800 in 1954 dollars. It is foolish for you to portray any tech's introductory price as a case for failure.

That is a great point. In the early 80's, I bought my first CD player for $1,400. It took about 6 years for portable players to break the $100 price point, in fact. Obviously, HDTV is another case of slow development as set prices have declined and has just achieved critical mass at the consumer level.

It has been less than a year since the FCC "officially" approved HD; prior to that it was experimental. Receiver manufacturers were loathe to invest in chip development or to mass market receivers prior to that. Now we have Samsung developing a low power 9mm form factor HD chip for Q1 2008 delivery and other chips announced or in development. This will allow better and cheaper receivers.

I have several first generation receivers, and they suck as to HD reception. But the new third generation receiver in my car takes the HD signal beyond the AM and FM countours where the analog signal ceases to be "used" by listeners. I'm sure that the next generation will be even better, and offer more features as well.
 
LinoNYC said:
It is simply a lie to state that iboc FM causes interference. The AM version is another matter and there may end up being some class action lawsuits if things turn out badly re-night operation.

What part of the spectrum mask of an FM IBOC station don't you understand? It overlaps adjacent frequencies, and I just tried tuning some of those first adjacents this morning. Many people have been reporting first adjacent jamming in the crowded metro areas of the Eastern seaboard. All I ever hear from you folks are ridiculous denials of the fact, some vague reference to 1940's FM research, and arrogant statements that you shouldn't be listening to first adjacents anyway, it was never intended. Try telling that to folks who have been disenfranchised from their favorite NPR station. Those folks are far more fanatical about first adjacents than I am.

I wonder how much iBiquity paid the owner of "digitaldisaster.org" to take his page down?
 
Boulder Engineer is the perfect example of a professional who must do as management wishes.

It doesn't sound as though he is thoroughly enjoying his involvement in iBOC implementation.

He is not in the position to critique management's choice of technology.
As he says " My job as an engineer is to solve problems." How true.
When (radio) engineering decisions are made by computer people and business people, there will be problems.

I bet very few engineers HAVE the sort of job security to tell owners and managers if they think iBOC is bad.

How you feel about this very much depends on which side your bread is buttered.
If I had gone into broadcast engineering, I'm sure I would be silent or non-committal, to protect my career.
That's an implicit gag order, if only in recognizing how "funny" radio employment can be.

Now the other quote, " We can work to make the technology work, or not."

This sentence abounds with possibilities. Sounds to me like he leaves a great big chance that it can't be made to work.
Or that maybe we have a choice to not "work at" making it work.

But notice that he sounds grimly resigned to the task, not enthusiastic.

This is enough evidence for me that the "gag order" is implied in one's own career viability, and the wise employed engineers
are more than circumspect in sharing opinions when management has made an unwise decision.
It's always better to let the technology fail of its own weaknesses, than to look like you are trying to not make something work.
Openly stating opposition would be akin to admitting that one would not work as hard as possible toward the desired outcome.
Next thing, you have no job.

This is all common sense.
 
Tom Wells said:
Boulder Engineer is the perfect example of a professional who must do as management wishes.

It doesn't sound as though he is thoroughly enjoying his involvement in iBOC implementation.

Au contraire: Implementing HD has been one of the most rewarding and challenging projects that I've been involved with.


Tom Wells said:
He is not in the position to critique management's choice of technology.

Sheesh- I'm a 'yes man', sacrificing my professional principles for a paycheck? And you don't even know me?
This is getting good.

Ibquity IBOC is what we have. It's too late to change that fact. You should have brought your objections (Are you capable of constructive criticism?) up to the FCC years ago. Mow, it's up to us engineers, designers, radio manufacturers and software geeks to refine the technology; to use our collective talents to continue to improve it.

As in any field of endeavor, whining and complaining get you nowhere.


Tom Wells said:
As he says " My job as an engineer is to solve problems." How true.
When (radio) engineering decisions are made by computer people and business people, there will be problems.

Except that's not true in the case of implementing IBOC. Completely ridiculous.

Yes, sometimes business decisions are made by unqualified people- The Dilbert effect.
Happens in radio and elsewhere.
But that's NOT how IBOC evolved.

Tom Wells said:
I bet very few engineers HAVE the sort of job security to tell owners and managers if they think iBOC is bad.


..Except, of course, that IBOC is far from being 'bad', as you put it. And most FM engineers that I know are positive about the product.

Tom Wells said:
How you feel about this very much depends on which side your bread is buttered.
If I had gone into broadcast engineering, I'm sure I would be silent or non-committal, to protect my career.
That's an implicit gag order, if only in recognizing how "funny" radio employment can be.

Now we're saying that there actually was no real 'gag order' as was claimed here, but an implied one?

"Yeah, that's the ticket!"
"It was an IMPLIED gag order!"

Unfortunately, I never received it. And neither did anyone else.

Tom Wells said:
Now the other quote, " We can work to make the technology work, or not."

This sentence abounds with possibilities. Sounds to me like he leaves a great big chance that it can't be made to work.
Or that maybe we have a choice to not "work at" making it work.

But notice that he sounds grimly resigned to the task, not enthusiastic.

Putting words in my mouth again? That's a crock, Mr. Wells.

As I said, I am personally very pleased with how FM IBOC is working, its sound quality and the possibilities for the future of radio.
Is there some part of the above sentence that you don't understand?

Let me know and I'll restate.

Ibqiuity IBOC is what we have. It's now up to the programming people to create compelling content, it's up to the engineers and manufacturers to refine it. And it's up to the listeners to enjoy it. And they do.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
((Ad hominem insults and irrelevant crap deleted.))

Supercaster, since you're the expert on the technology here, would you please post any compelling comments you made to the FCC when the rulemaking for IBOC was open for public comment?

SUPERCASTER said:
Why are you whining about other peoples posts about HD radio?
Why shouldn't others have the right to post their evidence, thoughts, opinions, reasons, and anything just about anything else about the topic?

To the contrary, please DO feel free to post whatever you think in whatever manner you choose.
Your commentary regarding HD has been most educational and enlightening and I urge you to continue.
 
Tom Wells said:
This is enough evidence for me that the "gag order" is implied in one's own career viability, and the wise employed engineers
are more than circumspect in sharing opinions when management has made an unwise decision.

There is no implied or explicit gag order. I speak to enough engineers at HD stations to know that nobody has been told or suggested to abstain from criticism.
 
Boulder Engineer: Please. I am not trying to be divisive or put words in your mouth.
If you have been here for a while, you have read my opinions regarding the FM iBOC, which I can live with easily in my metro situation.
Those in suburban and rural areas have their issues with the FM iBOC.
I acknowledge hereby that you are enjoying implementation of iBOC.


Everyone employed in such a position must be a yes man to some degree.
If you are a chief corporate engineer, you may enjoy freedom of opinion.
Most guys in the field will conform and not rock the boat.
I have had to implement bad tech, apologize for it, then retrofit later.
Sometimes even when people spoke up to stop bad tech, it still happened.

I read the ibiquity white papers way back in the mid 90's, and to repeat what I've said before, my head darn-near exploded.
It is exactly as was described, behaves "OK" on FM, and the AM is the biggest, stinkiest, noisiest pig ever put on the air.

My beef is not with the FM version. As you say, most of the engineers in your experience are positive about this.
Problem is, someone decided it was good for all frequencies. This decision, in spite of physics and electrical realities of Q and bandwidth,
shows where the computer-types don't get it.

The FCC is not full of the engineers it once had. I couldn't find examiners in the US Patent office that could understand
anything about electron mobility. I am not surprised the FCC doesn't have anyone who understands complex
RF modulation and intermodulation issues. I also know the FCC does NOT take commentary from the public seriously
regarding engineering issues. I will not waste my time with an agency not representing my interests.
They have shown for many years (since the development of the solid-state lamp dimmer) that they no longer take seriously
their charter. I should now expect them to care or notice that they are authorizing even more RF interference?
I should write to them and tell them to respect their own laws?

Let us put any issues regarding the FM behind us, at least for now, and please let us discuss your honest feelings about the AM hybrid mode.
I feel the AM mode is all the wrong things for all the wrong reasons. Others agree.

Whining and complaining will get you nowhere, but letting unwise engineering decisions go to the field begets a world of headaches.


I have tried to be civil and respectful.
I look forward to your self-moderated response.
 
I have to take issue with two earlier posts:

In Reply # 28, David Eduardo wrote:
1360 is not a viable signal, and 1530 is not either based on missing a good part of the market at night and not getting a good enough one in the outer counties daytime.

Thirteen-sixty is far from ideal; but on 1530, you're absolutely wrong, DE! Back in 2004, when 1530 was "real oldies" WSAI, I could hear it every night here in NJ! Just look at the contour maps: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WCKY&service=AM

And in Reply # 31, LinoNYC wrote:
The CBS sequential scan color system was not compatible, was rejected and required everyone buy new TV sets in order to watch.

Partially wrong. The CBs system was rejected inpart because it mechanical scanning in both camera and receiver. It was also Iconoscope based and required an enormus 1200 fc for full video. I met serveral NBC engineers who had worked on this system and they told of how they, and floor managers, boom ops etc often wore sunglasses in the studio. The CBS system was crude, even for 1951.

The RCA system was not without it's compromises, receivers had to have their bandwidth restricted to no more than 3mhz to avoid seeing a fine pattern of dots due to the chroma stream. In practice this meant most tv's had to be trapped at no more than 2.5mhz and there were compatability problems with some older sets regarding the horizontal "back porch" which now contained the chroma sync burst.
.........


Do you know when color sets outsold B&W? 1972-nineteen years after the system was developed. The first color set (ctc100) isold for over $800 in 1954 dollars. It is foolish for you to portray any tech's introductory price as a case for failure.

It is simply a lie to state that iboc FM causes interference.
The CBS sequential scan color system was not compatible, was rejected and required everyone buy new TV sets in order to watch.

Partially wrong. The CBs system was rejected inpart because it mechanical scanning in both camera and receiver. It was also Iconoscope based and required an enormus 1200 fc for full video. I met serveral NBC engineers who had worked on this system and they told of how they, and floor managers, boom ops etc often wore sunglasses in the studio. The CBS system was crude, even for 1951.

The RCA system was not without it's compromises, receivers had to have their bandwidth restricted to no more than 3mhz to avoid seeing a fine pattern of dots due to the chroma stream. In practice this meant most tv's had to be trapped at no more than 2.5mhz and there were compatability problems with some older sets regarding the horizontal "back porch" which now contained the chroma sync burst.
.........


Do you know when color sets outsold B&W? 1972-nineteen years after the system was developed. The first color set (ctc100) isold for over $800 in 1954 dollars. It is foolish for you to portray any tech's introductory price as a case for failure.

It is simply a lie to state that iboc FM causes interference. [ absolutely sic!] [/quote]

First, I can well remember the color dots Lino mentios on our old 1952 Zenith b/w console -- a 24-inch with those rounded corners (equivalent in height and width to a 27-inch modern 4:3 square-cornered tube) so those dots were very visible to a little kid sitting close to it on the floor! But they never really bothered me, or anybody else.

Second, RCA's early color sets were outrageously expensive, and trouble-prone to boot. And the color was terrible -- grass, sky and sea looked good, but natural flesh tones were impossible to attain -- until the "rare-earth red" phosphor, discovered around 1960, finally made it into production receivers around 1964 (by which time the circuits were becoming more dependable, too). But Lino is missing the point. RCA never expected those early sets to sell to anybody but "early adopters." They were making them at a loss to position the company as an industry leader, in the vain hope that the public would associate color with RCA.

And finally, it is NOT a lie to state that iboc [sic] FM causes interference. As rbrucecarter5 noted in Reply #33, "Many people have been reporting first adjacent jamming in the crowded metro areas of the Eastern seaboard." Yes, I know. I'm one of them! And you're not rude enough to call me a liar, are you, Lino?
 
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