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ICBC Drops AAR in Philly; Is WLIB Next?

M

mwebster

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Threads on the News/Talk and Philadelphia Boards cite a story from the Philadelphia Daily News that one of their columnists is taking over the time slot in which WHAT, Philadelphia currently carries Air America Radio's Al Franken and Randi Rhodes programs. WHAT is owned by Inner City Broadcasting Company, the company operated by former Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton which also own's WLIB, New York. ICBC recently dropped Air America Radio programming on its station in Charleston, SC. WHAT, Philadelphia has been running two AAR programs in the afternoon only. The rest of the schedule is local black-oriented talk and religious programming.

What's next for WLIB?
AAR leases time on the station.
Audience numbers are dramatically down since AAR replaced WLIB's prior Caribbean format.
The New York Post has reported AAR may be facing a possible revenue short-fall, as evidenced by its attempt to get donations from listeners.
Last year, AAR also leased time on stations in LA and Chicago, which "evicted" AAR when the rent checks bounced.
To paraphrase Blance in "A Street Car Named Desire," AAR's future in New York may depend on the generosity of Percy Sutton.
 
> What's next for WLIB?
> AAR leases time on the station.
> Audience numbers are dramatically down since AAR replaced
> WLIB's prior Caribbean format.
> The New York Post has reported AAR may be facing a possible
> revenue short-fall, as evidenced by its attempt to get
> donations from listeners.
> Last year, AAR also leased time on stations in LA and
> Chicago, which "evicted" AAR when the rent checks bounced.
> To paraphrase Blance in "A Street Car Named Desire," AAR's
> future in New York may depend on the generosity of Percy
> Sutton.
>


The answer is no, WLIB will remain Air America.
 
> To paraphrase Blance in "A Street Car Named Desire," AAR's
> future in New York may depend on the generosity of Percy
> Sutton.
>

Yeah Bill O'Reilly was having a "Field Day" with this story on Tuesday Night's O'Reilly Factor on FNC. If the gravy train stops or derails for AAR they are pretty screwed. O'Reilly point blank said that they have spent money on unnecessary items such as studios, studio equipment, etc. But the BIGGEST issue I heard was how much they were OVER-paying talent like Franken, Rhodes, etc...

I guess time will tell...
 
> > To paraphrase Blance in "A Street Car Named Desire," AAR's
>
> > future in New York may depend on the generosity of Percy
> > Sutton.
> >
>
> Yeah Bill O'Reilly was having a "Field Day" with this story
> on Tuesday Night's O'Reilly Factor on FNC. If the gravy
> train stops or derails for AAR they are pretty screwed.
> O'Reilly point blank said that they have spent money on
> unnecessary items such as studios, studio equipment, etc.
> But the BIGGEST issue I heard was how much they were
> OVER-paying talent like Franken, Rhodes, etc...
>
> I guess time will tell...
>


Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less than honest?
 
>
>
> Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news
> on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less
> than honest?
>

Why do you love Air America so much? Why are you so blind in your affection that you are unwilling to even consider the possibility that the company may be having problems? O'Reilly is like a prosecuter. He looks for evidence that will make his case. What basis do you have for charging him with lying and fabricating that evidence (other than he is on the other side of the political fence)?

And, of course, time will tell.

But if Air America were selling stock instead of asking for donations, I wonder how many of us would invest in the business? I wonder what you'd say if your pension fund bought a chunk of Air America with your retirement funds?
 
> >
> >
> > Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news
>
> > on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less
>
> > than honest?
> >
>
> Why do you love Air America so much? Why are you so blind
> in your affection that you are unwilling to even consider
> the possibility that the company may be having problems?
> O'Reilly is like a prosecuter. He looks for evidence that
> will make his case. What basis do you have for charging him
> with lying and fabricating that evidence (other than he is
> on the other side of the political fence)?
>
> And, of course, time will tell.
>
> But if Air America were selling stock instead of asking for
> donations, I wonder how many of us would invest in the
> business? I wonder what you'd say if your pension fund
> bought a chunk of Air America with your retirement funds?
>


You've already convicted and senteced AAR. You're the same person who lied on here about WLIB begging for money. You have no credibility when it comes to AAR and neither does O'Reilly who has a personal agenda.

For the record, I don't love AAR. I don't listen to it. You do hate it however. It's your favorite topic to post on, all negative. You must have an orgasm whenever you find something bad to post about AAR.
 
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of
> news
> >
> > > on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts
> less
> >
> > > than honest?
> > >
> >
> > Why do you love Air America so much? Why are you so blind
>
> > in your affection that you are unwilling to even consider
> > the possibility that the company may be having problems?
> > O'Reilly is like a prosecuter. He looks for evidence that
>
> > will make his case. What basis do you have for charging
> him
> > with lying and fabricating that evidence (other than he is
>
> > on the other side of the political fence)?
> >
> > And, of course, time will tell.
> >
> > But if Air America were selling stock instead of asking
> for
> > donations, I wonder how many of us would invest in the
> > business? I wonder what you'd say if your pension fund
> > bought a chunk of Air America with your retirement funds?
> >
>
>
> You've already convicted and senteced AAR. You're the same
> person who lied on here about WLIB begging for money. You
> have no credibility when it comes to AAR and neither does
> O'Reilly who has a personal agenda.
>
> For the record, I don't love AAR. I don't listen to it.
> You do hate it however. It's your favorite topic to post
> on, all negative. You must have an orgasm whenever you find
> something bad to post about AAR.

I think you may be mistaken here. The fact is that radio is a business and without the listeners and advertisers. . .there isn't much of a point to it. When all is said and done, their mistake was launching as an advocate of a particular political position rather than launching as an information and entertainment medium. That is what radio is. If you look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and trace it back 16 years, you'll find that he treated radio as an entertainment and information medium that was starved for entertaining talk. He was entertaining and informative and the rest is history. . .just like AAR.
>
 
What lie? They are asking for money. I got the email.

And for somebody who says they don't listen, you seem to have a lot to say about AAR.

Everybody here has particular subjects and stations they are drawn to post about, including you. Everybody here has opinions on those subjects and stations, including you. Everybody here has an "agenda," including you. Take it easy.

There is something about talk radio that tends to turn posts negative. If somebody knocks Jack, nobody comes back and says "why do you hate Jack so much?" Nobody calls prefering oldies an agenda.



>
>
> You've already convicted and senteced AAR. You're the same
> person who lied on here about WLIB begging for money. You
> have no credibility when it comes to AAR and neither does
> O'Reilly who has a personal agenda.
>
> For the record, I don't love AAR. I don't listen to it.
> You do hate it however. It's your favorite topic to post
> on, all negative. You must have an orgasm whenever you find
> something bad to post about AAR.
>
 
> Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news
> on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less
> than honest?
>

Well Mr. O'Reilly is part of the "We Report YOU Decide" Regime. Something to ponder on your end. I'm not making this a political issue just stating what I had heard from one source...
 
> > Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news
>
> > on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less
>
> > than honest?
> >
>
> Well Mr. O'Reilly is part of the "We Report YOU Decide"
> Regime. Something to ponder on your end. I'm not making this
> a political issue just stating what I had heard from one
> source...
>
And he has the Peabody to prove it. Right?
 
> > Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of news
>
> > on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts less
>
> > than honest?
> >
>
> Well Mr. O'Reilly is part of the "We Report YOU Decide"
> Regime. Something to ponder on your end. I'm not making this
> a political issue just stating what I had heard from one
> source...
>
Actually a more accurate phrase would be "we distort, we deride" O'Reilly just lost Denver. KHOW a much bigger station than the peanut WHAT which can hardly be heard in Philadelphia. It is amazing how Air America is supposed to go from one disaster to the next and is always on the brink of extinction according to these great predictors from the right but they just continue on. If I took anything from what O'Reilly said it would be that he'd say anything to make his enemies look bad and truth has never been an obsticle.
 
That is what radio is.
> If you look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and trace it
> back 16 years, you'll find that he treated radio as an
> entertainment and information medium that was starved for
> entertaining talk. He was entertaining and informative and
> the rest is history. . .just like AAR.
> >
>
You know what's sad about all this. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Listen to Franken some day and count the number or commercial reads he has. His show is loaded and a lot of the spots feature Franken himself. Bend the truth all you will and then head off to the right wing dictatorship you and some others seem to desire. I'll stay here in the land of Democracy with all it's checks and ballances.
 
> > > Do you think O'Reilly is really an accurate source of
> news
> >
> > > on AAR or does he have an agenda that makes his facts
> less
> >
> > > than honest?
> > >
> >
> > Well Mr. O'Reilly is part of the "We Report YOU Decide"
> > Regime. Something to ponder on your end. I'm not making
> this
> > a political issue just stating what I had heard from one
> > source...
> >
> Actually a more accurate phrase would be "we distort, we
> deride" O'Reilly just lost Denver. KHOW a much bigger
> station than the peanut WHAT which can hardly be heard in
> Philadelphia. It is amazing how Air America is supposed to
> go from one disaster to the next and is always on the brink
> of extinction according to these great predictors from the
> right but they just continue on. If I took anything from
> what O'Reilly said it would be that he'd say anything to
> make his enemies look bad and truth has never been an
> obsticle.
>


You and I finally agree on something :)
 
> > What lie? They are asking for money. I got the email.
> >
>
> Who did you get an email from? Was if from WLIB?
>

And the nits are still being picked.....
 
> That is what radio is.
> > If you look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and trace it
> > back 16 years, you'll find that he treated radio as an
> > entertainment and information medium that was starved for
> > entertaining talk. He was entertaining and informative and
>
> > the rest is history. . .just like AAR.
> > >
> >
> You know what's sad about all this. You don't have any idea
> what you are talking about. Listen to Franken some day and
> count the number or commercial reads he has. His show is
> loaded and a lot of the spots feature Franken himself. Bend
> the truth all you will and then head off to the right wing
> dictatorship you and some others seem to desire. I'll stay
> here in the land of Democracy with all it's checks and
> ballances.
>


Annnnnnnd there we have it... the topic has now gone to a complete political statement. I can hear the Nazis, liars, et al coming next.....
 
> That is what radio is.
> > If you look at the success of Rush Limbaugh and trace it
> > back 16 years, you'll find that he treated radio as an
> > entertainment and information medium that was starved for
> > entertaining talk. He was entertaining and informative and
>
> > the rest is history. . .just like AAR.
> > >
> >
> You know what's sad about all this. You don't have any idea
> what you are talking about. Listen to Franken some day and
> count the number or commercial reads he has. His show is
> loaded and a lot of the spots feature Franken himself. Bend
> the truth all you will and then head off to the right wing
> dictatorship you and some others seem to desire. I'll stay
> here in the land of Democracy with all it's checks and
> ballances.
>
Excuse me ? I don't know what I am talking about ? One Franken that breaks even or makes some money does not cover all the losses from the rest of the schedule. And I will go back to my original thesis: radio is an information and entertainment medium. AAR was founded to advance a political agenda. It was not founded to entertain and inform. The founders believed that if they simply put a political agenda on the air, it would succeed. That was a very bad assumption.

Put another way. . .without listeners, AAR can't bring in the heavy duty national dollars that other syndicated shows can. That is the problem. See, it has nothing to do with the so called right wing conspiracy. It has all to do with putting compelling programming on the air that attracts listeners.

And by the way. . .why is it that you guys can't argue a point of view on its merits but always have to stoop to personal attacks and venom ? Think about it, first you say that I don't know what I am talking about and then you close with a comment that I want to create a conservative dictatorship. Come on. The sixties ended a long time ago. Get a hair cut. Take a shower. Buy a suit and wing tipped shoes.
 
and by the way. . .why is it that you guys can't argue a
> point of view on its merits but always have to stoop to
> personal attacks and venom ? Think about it, first you say
> that I don't know what I am talking about and then you close
> with a comment that I want to create a conservative
> dictatorship. Come on. The sixties ended a long time ago.
> Get a hair cut. Take a shower. Buy a suit and wing tipped
> shoes.
>
I am not making this into a political debate. I feel I am responding to someone who has posted disinformation which is far off base and has politics in the the message. Here's an artical writen by the current Air America CEO, which might prove useful to answer any questions.
Right-Wing Media Gets Desperate
By Danny Goldberg, HuffingtonPost.com
Posted on September 30, 2005, Printed on September 30, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/26178/
Recently, Air America Radio came under attack from the same cast of right-wing media characters who have attacked the network for ideological reasons from day one.

A recent piece in the New York Post by John Mainelli states that, "Air America is in ... bad financial shape." On Sept. 20, Bill O'Reilly on Fox News which, like the New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation said that Air America "could be on its last legs."

This is untrue. Air America is in strong financial shape. Last week we started broadcasting from our new multi-million dollar studios.

Several weeks earlier the Board of Directors of Air America's parent company accelerated re-payment of a loan from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club of $875,000 two years in advance of a previously agreed upon repayment plan. In the last several months, Air America has expanded its executive team to augment our efforts on the internet and in affiliate relations.

The pretext for the latest smears is an initiative I launched last week called Air America Associates, in which I asked our listeners to support our programming financially and at various levels offer bumper stickers, tote bags, etc. as a way of thanking them. (We received thousands of responses, far beyond what we projected for the first few days).

Many of our listeners also listen to NPR stations and Pacifica and are used to supporting radio programming they like. I got the idea from the Nation Magazine's program, "The Nation Associates," which helps them fund investigative journalism. Like Air America Radio, The Nation is a for-profit company.

But the conservative propagandists have tried to make it seem like there is something unseemly because Air America Radio is both commercial-and a radio network, as O'Reilly said last night, "I have never seen a commercial enterprise ask their listeners for money-ever." This is also false. The modern model of the broadcasting business involves numerous revenue streams. If anything, Air America has been late in fully building such an infrastructure which the "Associates" is a part of.

For example, Rush Limbaugh's website offers his fans the "Limbaugh Letter" for $34.95 a year and a totally separate service called Rush 24/7 which includes access to archived programs at the cost of $49.95 a year. The Limbaugh site also features the "EIB Store" which sells such items as $19.95 polo shirt which amusingly says, "My Mullah went to G'itmo and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."

The Sean Hannity Web-site features a "subscription" to something called, "The Hannity Insider" for $5.95 a month.

But no one tops the self proclaimed non-spinner Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly.com offers a "premium membership" for either $4.95 a month or $49.95 a year. He also offers a "Gift certificate" for $14.95. Products for sale on the Web site include:




Radio Factor diner coffee mug available in white or navy blue for $14.95


O'Reilly Factor keychain for $7.95 "while supplies last."


Three different "No Spin" tote bags at $14.95 apiece


Ten different hats at a cost of $16.95 each


The "no spin" jacket for $79.95


The " Unisex Black Fleece" embroidered with "The Spin Stops Here" for $39.95


Several bumper stickers including one that reads "Boycott France" for $2.50


License plate frame for $18.95
Three different "No Spin" tote bags at $14.95 each


An O'Reilly Factor Gear Bag at $64.95


"Mens Garment Bag" for $64.95 (sorry ladies!)


A "Spin Stops Here" organizer briefcase


A "Spin Stops Here" pen and pad bundle for $19.95


Two different designs of "Spin Stops Here" doormats for $49.95 and


Two different "Rain Stops Here" umbrellas at $24.95("Show everyone who protects you from the rain")



Mainelli's article also repeated another falsehood about Air America saying "More recently the 70 station left network has been suffering lower ratings." His corporate cousin O'Reilly wishfully stated on August 17 said "Air America-nobody is listening to it," On Aug 3rd O'Reilly claimed that "Air America cannot support itself because of low ratings," and on July 26 O'Reilly said "The Air America radio network continues to fail with catastrophic ratings here in New York City. "

In fact, the ratings for the Bill O'Reilly radio show in New York were worse than those on Air America that he described as "catastrophic" In the key 25 to 54 year demographic which talk radio offers to advertisers, the Spring, 2005 Arbitron ratings showed that Monday to Friday from 2 to 4 PM when O'Reilly is on WOR-AM and which at Air America's 1190 WLIB-AM contains the last hour of "The Al Franken Show" and the first hour of "The Randi Rhodes Show," that O'Reilly had a .3 share and Air America a .4 share. O'Reilly had a cumulative audience of 75,400 and Air America had a cumulative audience of 89,300.

Inevitably ratings go up and down and vary from time slot to time slot and from market to market. Right wing bloggers have had fun cherry picking isolated pieces of ratings reports to distort the enormous enthusiasm Air America's growing audience has demonstrated. At the vast majority of our affiliates Air America ratings are up. On a nation-wide basis the most recent Arbitron ratings Spring 2005 book showed that our affiliates reach over three million people per week each of whom listens for an average of several hours a week. This is more than triple the amount of people who were listening when measured one year earlier in the Spring, 2004 book.

I do not intend to write something every time something like this happens. In the almost six months during which I have been CEO of Air America Radio, I have refrained, for the most part, from responding to the litany of attacks, lies, half-truths and smears from various members of the right-wing media. In general, it seems to me that paying too much attention to these people only encourages them and that we, at Air America, need to get used to the fact that the spirited progressive opinions of our on-air talent and of our audience will attract the kind of mean-spirited smears that are endemic to contemporary political conversation.

After having a near monopoly on talk radio for so many years, some conservative media types are literally freaked out at confronting robust, persistent and passionate opposition. On Sept. 26, O'Reilly desperately claimed that "Air America's basic flaw is that "Americans do not want to hear that their country sucks 24 hours a day." Of course the talent and management of Air America have a love of our country which is what animates all passionate debate on political issues form the left, right and center.

It is an obsession with stifling debate --even at the cost of using lies and distortions, which is un-American.

Danny Goldberg is the CEO of Air America Radio.


© 2005 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/26178/
 
The misinformation campaign against AAR

>
> What's next for WLIB?
> AAR leases time on the station.
> Audience numbers are dramatically down since AAR replaced
> WLIB's prior Caribbean format.
> The New York Post has reported AAR may be facing a possible
> revenue short-fall, as evidenced by its attempt to get
> donations from listeners.
> Last year, AAR also leased time on stations in LA and
> Chicago, which "evicted" AAR when the rent checks bounced.
> To paraphrase Blance in "A Street Car Named Desire," AAR's
> future in New York may depend on the generosity of Percy
> Sutton.

To put this in a little perspective: "mwebster" was formerly "PW," before "PW" was banned from posting on these boards when he went a little too far in his anti-AAR crusade. He relies on extreme right-wing publications (like the New York Post), extreme right-wing blogs (like the one run by unemployed talk show host Brian Maloney), and extreme right-wing columnists (like Michelle Malkin) for his misinformation. And by some strange coincidence, Bill O'Reilly interviewed exactly two people during his AAR segment the other night: right-wingers Brian Maloney and Michelle Malkin, both of whom seem to be spending most of their time trashing AAR.

As for the New York Post, it erroneously said that Air America "announcers" were "begging" for money, when the truth is that no AAR host has asked for money on the air. The AAR "associates" program was announced in an e-mail to AAR listeners who had requested to be on AAR's mailing list and in a small box on AAR's web site. Period. No "begging" on the air.

And Percy Sutton isn't extending any "generosity" to AAR. AAR leases its time from WLIB and has been paying its bills since the financial crisis it had a year and a half ago -- when it was being mismanaged by former Republican operative Evan Cohen, whom Al Franken has rightly called a "crook."
 
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