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If Entercom gets ABC...

Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

> > My suggestion of WBIX was just an example, I have no
> inside
> > info and I'll take your statement that it's a no go. There
>
> > appear to be several other stations that get little or no
> > ratings that might clear more programs in the line-up for
> > AAR. Would the non-existant ratings at WTTT actually go
> down
> > if they played AAR (5 kW day and night with a decent
> > pattern)? I doubt it. I know there is much more to it,
> > including agendas of station mangers and owners,
> > advertisers, etc. I was not suggesting AAR try to do
> > anything but look at other stations in Boston and Mass in
> > general to play their programming (typical barter
> operation)
> > once the contract with CC expires, especially if CC drops
> > them from 1200- no buy outs or LMA's.
> >
> > For full disclosure, I do not care for the way CC has
> > handled 1200/1430. They play Eddie, delay Rhodes, play
> > Springer delayed at night and forget Majority report and
> > Mike Malloy. Even if I could pick them up at night I
> > wouldn't listen and I bet most Boston Liberals feel the
> > same. They have programmed it beautifully for Kansas, not
> > Boston.
> >
> You're either kidding about AAR on WTTT or you are a total
> naif!

I hope not! I noted in my post that their are other Agendas then just ratings but there must be a decent station in the market that would consider going to AAR if CC drops it and AAR approaches them. Seems logical that a station like WBIX or WTTT (not them but *like* them in that they are smaller and have little or no ratings) would be interested in getting some ratings for their advertisers. It must be very difficult for the salespeople at radio stations to pick up a copy of the Boston Phoenix and start making cold calls.

WTTT (as well as WEZE and WROL in this market and 100
> or more other stations nationwide) is owned by Salem, the
> most ultra-right-wing of all major group owners in the US.
> (And if you know about the other major groups, you know that
> that's a VERY strong statement!) Salem's founders and
> primary principals, Mssrs Epperson and Atsinger, are
> graduates of Bob Jones University(!) The company's forte is
> Christian formats--right-wing talk, and the network that
> distributes all of the programs that WTTT carries are
> relatively recent additions. Salem is in the talk-format
> business as an idological thing more than as a means of
> making a lot of money, but Salem never does ANYTHING that
> loses money for very long. Financially, the whole company is
> extremely well run and they appear dedicated to AM. I am
> convinced that the talk network and WTTT aren't losing
> money. Despite the idological motivation, the corporate
> owners wouldn't stand for that.
>
> As for WKOXKS, the DO carry Majority Report--on delay
> (Tuesday through Saturday mornings from 1:00 AM to 4:00 AM).
> With Springer as the lead-in, that's gotta be a winner,
> especially considering the fact that the program can be
> heard only in MetroWest and the near North Shore ;>(

They (MR) aren't listed on the website and I can't get either station after dark. Just more examples that CC doesn't get it.

>
> BTW, Ed Schultz's syndicator, Jones Radio Networks, will NOT
> place the program on any station that does not air it live
> in its entirety, which explains why Randi Rhodes is on delay
> on all CCU stations that carry both her program and
> Schultz's. What makes no sense to me, though, is why the
> stations that carry both shows don't carry Rhodes' 6:00 to
> 7:00 PM (Eastern) hour live. I've got a hunch that this is
> Randi's preference. If she really believes that more than a
> few people listen to the entire four hours and would be
> missing the point if they heard the last hour first, she is
> a heck of a lot less astute a broadcaster than most of her
> listeners believe her to be.
>
Well listeners tend to be true belivers so I wouldn't trust their opinions without a grain of salt. I don't know how much choice she has and I think Eddie is downright aweful. Not many listen right now becasue the stations are running at 1000 watts a peice after 4:15 anyway.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

> > WTTT- I didn't know that existed until today! I wouldn;t
> put
> > them in with TKK and RKO. They (WTTT) have no ratings-
> can't
> > be much of a war. Libtalk is already ahead of them totally
>
> > syndicated.
> >
> > The real killer is WBZ, which kicks all the other talker's
>
> > tail ends.
>
> Like WKOXKS on the left, Salem's WTTT on the right is 100%
> syndicated. They did have a local show in AM drive (Don
> Feder) for a couple of months when they first started, but
> dropped him (he was TERRIBLE in my opinion) when Salem's
> talk network added Bill Bennett. (Bennett is also terrible
> in my opinion, but he is better than Feder was).
>
> I'd be willing to bet, however, that WTTT bills four or five
> times what WKOXKS bills. Within the last month or so, CCU
> has made some token improvements to WKOXKS and I've heard a
> few local spots besides Jimmy Tingle, who presumably
> approached the station to buy the time. But WTTT, despite
> its zero ratings, has a reasonably healthy local spot load.
> Salem is interested in the ultra-right-wing audience, knows
> the businesses that want to target that audience, and knows
> how to sell those businesses. One gets the impression that
> the rep or reps at CCU Boston who are responsible for
> selling WKOXKS feel that the job is hopeless and gave up on
> it before they lifted the phone to make the first sales
> call. I think that, with the right sales effort, WKOXKS
> could do as much business as WTTT does. That might not seem
> impressive, but at least it wouldn't sound so desperately
> hopeless.
>
It's embarassing the way CC seems to be unable to find local advertisers. An issue of any independent newspaper should have a ton of local companies wanting to advertise. CC probably already has them in the Rolodex for some of their other stations in the market. Sell 2 for ones, cut an advertiser a break, do something for Christmas' sake- more evidence that CC has deeper problems than ratings.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

> BTW, Ed Schultz's syndicator, Jones Radio Networks, will NOT
> place the program on any station that does not air it live
> in its entirety, which explains why Randi Rhodes is on delay
> on all CCU stations that carry both her program and
> Schultz's. What makes no sense to me, though, is why the
> stations that carry both shows don't carry Rhodes' 6:00 to
> 7:00 PM (Eastern) hour live. I've got a hunch that this is
> Randi's preference. If she really believes that more than a
> few people listen to the entire four hours and would be
> missing the point if they heard the last hour first, she is
> a heck of a lot less astute a broadcaster than most of her
> listeners believe her to be.
>

Schultz does air on delay in some markets, though no progressive talk stations that I know of. And Schultz' association with Clear Channel goes back years, since he's been a longtime fixture on their Fargo, ND station and was carried throughout the state.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

> * Larry Elder and Mark Davis will also be heard on 'RKO.

ABC doesn't air Mark Davis anywhere except WBAP/Dallas. Not on KABC, where O'Reilly is getting trounced, not on WABC, not on WMAL, not anywhere. Larry Elder, a similar underperformer, is on KABC and on WLS from 3-4 IN THE MORNING! As with Glenn Beck, who you mention below, these hosts are not automatically cleared just because their syndicator owns a station. There is some notion that radio should still sound decent, although a Glenn Beck 9-noon on WRKO wouldn't disappoint me seeing the current state of affairs.

> * This would leave mornings open, but CC/Premiere is slowly
> rolling-out in syndication "Quinn and Rose" as a syndicated
> morning show. Although the show is at present heard only in
> Western Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio, their website
> trumpets them as being "America's Morning Show", so I think
> CC/Premiere would like to roll the show out to other parts
> of the country. WKOX could be one of the first stations on
> the East Coast to pick it up. It also would allow CC to
> fill-up WKOX with Premiere programming pretty much on a
> 24-hout basis.

I think the "America's Morning Show" refers to "The Real America". These guys are unlistenable, and outside of Pittsburgh where Jim Quinn came from a successful morning gig on a second-tier classic rocker, the show is fill for stations too cheap to get a real morning show. In the case of WHLO/Akron, the market is already served (and beaten in the ratings) by nearby 50kW blowtorch WTAM/Cleveland, with a morning show that serves as more of a Northeast Ohio show based in Cleveland. Besides, a lot of people in Akron commute to southern metro Cleveland anyway. The other station is WWVA/Wheeling... considering the population there and the fact that they fill the nighttime sched with brokered programming, I don't think CC cares too much about them unless they can ever bring back their bid to move the station to Stow, south of Cleveland.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

You're right, doc. The fact that you are a never-ending apologist for liberal talk as the savior of all radio means that Clear Channel should be prohibited from making whatever business decisions it sees fit.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

The more likely scenario as IIRC, OA pointed out somewhere here, is that the new WKOX could become a station much like KNEW/San Francisco, or many of CC's other second-string talkers in markets where they own the heritage. Make WKOX a dumping ground for talents like Glenn Beck, Dr. Laura, Phil Hendrie, et al that can't find a home anywhere else. It wouldn't be a horrible station, but I don't think they'd ever truly compete... maybe a 1 or 1.5 share that's justified by Premiere's guaranteed clearances and the fact that there's nothing better to put on.

Not that there aren't enough talk stations in Boston. And while I get sick of the AAR apologists, a well done progressive talk station should certainly have a place at the table.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

> > WKOXKS has simply been an outlet for syndicated liberal
> > talkers, some of which are not nearly as good as others.
> > Garbage shows like Jerry Springer and Ed Schultz get
> > airtime, while winners like Randi Rhodes get tape delayed,

Since what classifies Randi Rhodes as "a winner"? I do not mind her and find myself entertained from her show from time to time, but Schultz has won the race to 100 affiliates and relates better. Jerry Springer is a garbage show, but it settles a matter I've long wondered about... if CC is going to run a C-rate talk station on the cheap, why not run their own shows? My example is WDTW/Detroit, which gets no ratings 12+. The old WXDX got no ratings either, but at least they got Premiere shows like Glenn Beck a top-10-market clearance. With libtalk, they give all the national bucks to AAR.

> CC is obviously from Texas and thinks like it too much in my
> opinion. They like Eddie couse he sounds like Rush- Springer
> is a name they recognize from the TV set- same too for
> Franken. Ooh, maybe they will add Lionel to the fold- can't
> a boy dream! They are supposed to be aware that Boston is
> left of center, but they really don't understand that Randi
> Rhodes would be much more poular, along with Majority Report
> and Mike Malloy. They won't do it, WKOX will flop at 50kW,
> then CC will put its conservative talkers on WKOX that the
> rest of the Market won't take for one reason or another.
> Ratings will triple for the new conservative talk format and
> AAR is left holding the bag for CC's stupidity. Best thing
> is for AAR to anticipate the doom and plan for it.

I have the same issues with Infinity's move to throw FM talk on a failing station, complete with in-house talkers Don and Mike, Tom Leykis, et al, give the station five months, and pull the plug for "low ratings". Frustrating, but it's not like WKOXXKS hasn't been given over a year to perform. Lack of publicity; I'll buy it, but the folks at CC Albuquerque are tickled pink at using "grassroots publicity" (their words) to take their former Fox Sports station with no ratings and get 12+ numbers six to eight times better than 1200/1430. And Kerry only got 49% in New Mexico!

There are plenty of college stations for sophomoric, poorly produced liberal talk like the Majority Report. God, that show is bad. Tom Leykis was right when he said on WRKO, "I think there are a lot more people watching 'Wheel of Fortune' than 'The MacNeil Lehrer News Hour'". CC is in the BROADcasting business, not the picketing and blogging business.
 
Re: Boston Talk Radio Shake-Up (Was: Re: If Entercom gets ABC...)

>
> Schultz does air on delay in some markets, though no
> progressive talk stations that I know of. And Schultz'
> association with Clear Channel goes back years, since he's
> been a longtime fixture on their Fargo, ND station and was
> carried throughout the state.

Rhodes' flagship WJNO/WPB AFTER Randi, 7-10pm
Of all places, KSL/Salt Lake City, 7-9pm

There are a couple more
 
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