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If FM 94/9 is Local....
- Thread starter Garrett
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I guess the localness comes from the idea that most decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the world. I have heard 94/9 mention that they are owned by a company in North Carolina (Jefferson-Pilot), but they have no idea what 94/9's doing.
> If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> I guess the localness comes from the idea that most
> decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the world.
I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are programmed
locally...NOT from San Antonio. That familiar comment
ranks up there with CC having a list of songs that stations
could't play after 9-11...or that they banned the Dixie Chicks.
Easy shots that are not true.
<P ID="signature">______________
but wait...there's more!</P>
> decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the world.
I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are programmed
locally...NOT from San Antonio. That familiar comment
ranks up there with CC having a list of songs that stations
could't play after 9-11...or that they banned the Dixie Chicks.
Easy shots that are not true.
<P ID="signature">______________
but wait...there's more!</P>
Loco ....
Clear Channel is an easy target to shoot as they are big (insert your favorite Dick Cheney comment here).
What Clear Channel has done, is follow the laws of the U.S. with the telecom bill signed by President Clinton. When the rules changed, the company changed. (which is why the X-stations were spun off late last year). There have been several cases where Clear Channel have sold stations too. (Canyon Country, near la LA.)
As far as KBZT, yep, owned by Jefferson-Pilot; programmed by fanatics here in Sandy Eggo.
It doesn't matter all the publicity hype of what is being done where; what matters is those amazing five shares stations are yearning for. Five shares. Gee, twenty years ago they would get PDs fired, and today, that makes you number one.<P ID="signature">______________
+--
Chris
SDRadio.net</P>
Clear Channel is an easy target to shoot as they are big (insert your favorite Dick Cheney comment here).
What Clear Channel has done, is follow the laws of the U.S. with the telecom bill signed by President Clinton. When the rules changed, the company changed. (which is why the X-stations were spun off late last year). There have been several cases where Clear Channel have sold stations too. (Canyon Country, near la LA.)
As far as KBZT, yep, owned by Jefferson-Pilot; programmed by fanatics here in Sandy Eggo.
It doesn't matter all the publicity hype of what is being done where; what matters is those amazing five shares stations are yearning for. Five shares. Gee, twenty years ago they would get PDs fired, and today, that makes you number one.<P ID="signature">______________
+--
Chris
SDRadio.net</P>
> > I guess the localness comes from the idea that most
> > decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> > done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the
> world.
>
> I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are
> programmed
> locally...NOT from San Antonio. That familiar comment
> ranks up there with CC having a list of songs that
> stations
> could't play after 9-11...or that they banned the Dixie
> Chicks.
> Easy shots that are not true.
I realize I didn't expound on it more, but I didn't say that CC programming decisions comes from San Antonio. But the perception is still out there, so I was making comparisons with that perception in mind.
<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> > decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> > done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the
> world.
>
> I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are
> programmed
> locally...NOT from San Antonio. That familiar comment
> ranks up there with CC having a list of songs that
> stations
> could't play after 9-11...or that they banned the Dixie
> Chicks.
> Easy shots that are not true.
I realize I didn't expound on it more, but I didn't say that CC programming decisions comes from San Antonio. But the perception is still out there, so I was making comparisons with that perception in mind.
<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
M
MoeFugger
Guest
> If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
>
They keep claiming they are local yet it has beem mentioned they are owned by an insurance company in NC. Also many people in the building have told me that many programming ideas come from a consultant in Detroit. That could explain why it is not a very adventurous station musically. They are so classic alternative sounding it does not come as a surprise that their consultant is the biggest classic rock consultant in the country.
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
>
They keep claiming they are local yet it has beem mentioned they are owned by an insurance company in NC. Also many people in the building have told me that many programming ideas come from a consultant in Detroit. That could explain why it is not a very adventurous station musically. They are so classic alternative sounding it does not come as a surprise that their consultant is the biggest classic rock consultant in the country.
> > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
> >
> They keep claiming they are local yet it has beem mentioned
> they are owned by an insurance company in NC. Also many
> people in the building have told me that many programming
> ideas come from a consultant in Detroit. That could explain
> why it is not a very adventurous station musically.
Uh... I never said anything about their music.
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
> >
> They keep claiming they are local yet it has beem mentioned
> they are owned by an insurance company in NC. Also many
> people in the building have told me that many programming
> ideas come from a consultant in Detroit. That could explain
> why it is not a very adventurous station musically.
Uh... I never said anything about their music.
> > I guess the localness comes from the idea that most
> > decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> > done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the
> world.
>
> I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are
> programmed
> locally...NOT from San Antonio.
Why are we even discussing CC?
91X is not owned by CCU, and neither is 94/9?
My original post had NOTHING to do with CC.
And you're right, I DON'T want to hear it...
> > decisions about the station (playlist, promos, etc.) are
> > done locally, as opposed to the Clear Channels of the
> world.
>
> I know you don't want to hear it, but CC stations are
> programmed
> locally...NOT from San Antonio.
Why are we even discussing CC?
91X is not owned by CCU, and neither is 94/9?
My original post had NOTHING to do with CC.
And you're right, I DON'T want to hear it...
> If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo. Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country, respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's case, the potential power of rock music being presented differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play, I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images, and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to San Diego to do poster signings, participate in demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I can remember, they just made it a point to say they are operated locally and free of corporate interferences. Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot, like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if they were gone.
Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C. That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up a piece of drywall.
> sign on their website which very much resembles the hand of
> the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> company not located in San Diego, I find this very strange!
I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo. Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country, respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's case, the potential power of rock music being presented differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play, I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images, and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to San Diego to do poster signings, participate in demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I can remember, they just made it a point to say they are operated locally and free of corporate interferences. Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot, like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if they were gone.
Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C. That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up a piece of drywall.
YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good, you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated programming, and that would have been just fine. But instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please close the thread.
And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
(And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
> > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
>
> I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
>
> In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it
> was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
> case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
> on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap
> Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
> diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play,
> I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
>
> Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images,
> and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue
> of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
> San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
>
> I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on
> their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
> can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock
> stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but
> I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
> like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something
> else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
> they were gone.
>
> Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper
> only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C.
> That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up
> a piece of drywall.
>
Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good, you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated programming, and that would have been just fine. But instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please close the thread.
And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
(And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
> > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
>
> I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
>
> In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it
> was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
> case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
> on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap
> Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
> diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play,
> I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
>
> Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images,
> and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue
> of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
> San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
>
> I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on
> their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
> can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock
> stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but
> I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
> like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something
> else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
> they were gone.
>
> Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper
> only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C.
> That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up
> a piece of drywall.
>
Re: Loco ....
> Gee, twenty years
> ago they would get PDs fired, and today, that makes you
> number one.
>
In the 4 book average for 1986, there were 7 stations over a 5 share, with the #1 having an 8.8 (on today's KPLN facility, I believe).
> Gee, twenty years
> ago they would get PDs fired, and today, that makes you
> number one.
>
In the 4 book average for 1986, there were 7 stations over a 5 share, with the #1 having an 8.8 (on today's KPLN facility, I believe).
> > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have a
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
>
> I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
>
> In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it
> was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
> case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
> on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap
> Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
> diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play,
> I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
>
> Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images,
> and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue
> of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
> San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
>
> I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on
> their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
> can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock
> stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but
> I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
> like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something
> else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
> they were gone.
>
> Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper
> only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C.
> That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up
> a piece of drywall.
91x has nothing to do with Clear Channel in any form of ownership or association other than competing with their radio stations. so 91x is independent in much more than paper. In fact Clear Channel does not own the building they are in as they are only a tenant as well. Finest City stations are also tenants in the building. They both lease the space in the building. Clear Channel did have to divest their association with the stations but do you really think that the FCC rules
can be satisfied with some drywall. 91x is not associated with a large insurance company or a radio company that is based in Charlotte, or a consultant based in Detroit. At the same time, at the end of the day what is all about is whether either radio station is delivering to the listeners what they want musically or otherwise. By the way from being down at Mardi Gras it seems like 949 was part of that event that was mostly controlled by Clear Channel while 91x was not allowed to be part of that event.
>
> > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
> of
> > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> strange!
>
> I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
>
> In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say it
> was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
> case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
> on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges, Clap
> Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
> diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> DJs more interested in themselves than the music they play,
> I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
>
> Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant images,
> and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by virtue
> of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
> San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
>
> I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting on
> their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
> can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other rock
> stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them, but
> I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
> like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done something
> else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
> they were gone.
>
> Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on paper
> only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington D.C.
> That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting up
> a piece of drywall.
91x has nothing to do with Clear Channel in any form of ownership or association other than competing with their radio stations. so 91x is independent in much more than paper. In fact Clear Channel does not own the building they are in as they are only a tenant as well. Finest City stations are also tenants in the building. They both lease the space in the building. Clear Channel did have to divest their association with the stations but do you really think that the FCC rules
can be satisfied with some drywall. 91x is not associated with a large insurance company or a radio company that is based in Charlotte, or a consultant based in Detroit. At the same time, at the end of the day what is all about is whether either radio station is delivering to the listeners what they want musically or otherwise. By the way from being down at Mardi Gras it seems like 949 was part of that event that was mostly controlled by Clear Channel while 91x was not allowed to be part of that event.
>
R
RadioEngineer
Guest
Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
>
> > Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> > Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on
> paper
> > only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington
> D.C.
> > That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting
> up
> > a piece of drywall.
> >
>
As to comment one above, Clear Channel really can't afford to screw this up, there's no love lost between them and Glick, and it's not uncommon to have multiple facilities with multiple owners under the same roof. Clear Channel didn't want to give up these stations, they had to.
For comment number two, Clear Channel had numerous studios they no longer needed after the divestment of the Mexican stations. Glick had no where to place facilities without a huge capital expenditure. They came up with a mutually beneficial deal. It happens. KSON-AM is being operated out of space leased by Jefferson-Pilot in support of the sale deal with Multicultural. It's my understanding that the Clear Channel engineers are charged with supporting Finest City's facilities. While that's a direct conflict with Clear Channel policy, it was most certainly structured into the deal for the facilities and it helps to keep some engineers on the payroll. Those of us that screw the wires together don't care about who we do it for, as long as we're getting paid.
As to 94/9 being independant of the normal corporate oversite, they very much are. Obviously the bottom line is viewed daily, but there is no limitation by corporate whatsoever on how the station is programmed. All decisions regarding playlists and promotions are made in San Diego. I have no idea how 91X is now structured as to their programming, but I don't think you can point the finger at Clear Channel any more. If you don't like the music 94/9 is playing, then blame Garret, the ugly bald guy. If you do like it, credit the ugly haired guy Halloran. Believe me, he needs the love. If you like or dislike the music on 91X, praise or diss Kevin "the dead dog kid."
And yes, I worked for both stations, Noble, Jefferson-Pilot and Clear Channel. I know this of which I speak.
JB
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
>
> > Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> > Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on
> paper
> > only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington
> D.C.
> > That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting
> up
> > a piece of drywall.
> >
>
As to comment one above, Clear Channel really can't afford to screw this up, there's no love lost between them and Glick, and it's not uncommon to have multiple facilities with multiple owners under the same roof. Clear Channel didn't want to give up these stations, they had to.
For comment number two, Clear Channel had numerous studios they no longer needed after the divestment of the Mexican stations. Glick had no where to place facilities without a huge capital expenditure. They came up with a mutually beneficial deal. It happens. KSON-AM is being operated out of space leased by Jefferson-Pilot in support of the sale deal with Multicultural. It's my understanding that the Clear Channel engineers are charged with supporting Finest City's facilities. While that's a direct conflict with Clear Channel policy, it was most certainly structured into the deal for the facilities and it helps to keep some engineers on the payroll. Those of us that screw the wires together don't care about who we do it for, as long as we're getting paid.
As to 94/9 being independant of the normal corporate oversite, they very much are. Obviously the bottom line is viewed daily, but there is no limitation by corporate whatsoever on how the station is programmed. All decisions regarding playlists and promotions are made in San Diego. I have no idea how 91X is now structured as to their programming, but I don't think you can point the finger at Clear Channel any more. If you don't like the music 94/9 is playing, then blame Garret, the ugly bald guy. If you do like it, credit the ugly haired guy Halloran. Believe me, he needs the love. If you like or dislike the music on 91X, praise or diss Kevin "the dead dog kid."
And yes, I worked for both stations, Noble, Jefferson-Pilot and Clear Channel. I know this of which I speak.
JB
Common Wall
G-Dawg, Radio Engineer is right (as usual). 92.5/Magic, 91.1, 91X, and Z90 are in the same building. However, the only thing they share with CCU is a common wall. Different entrance. Different phone numbers. OK, same parkin' lot ... and perhaps trash bin .... Plus a chance for FCB to see 'Bromo from KGB streak nekkid around da building.
The studios may be the same that CCU built out; they are seperate from the control of the former owners.
It makes economic sense for the time being for Finest City to 'rent' engineering from Clear Channel. That's all it is; a good use of $$$.
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G-Dawg, Radio Engineer is right (as usual). 92.5/Magic, 91.1, 91X, and Z90 are in the same building. However, the only thing they share with CCU is a common wall. Different entrance. Different phone numbers. OK, same parkin' lot ... and perhaps trash bin .... Plus a chance for FCB to see 'Bromo from KGB streak nekkid around da building.
The studios may be the same that CCU built out; they are seperate from the control of the former owners.
It makes economic sense for the time being for Finest City to 'rent' engineering from Clear Channel. That's all it is; a good use of $$$.
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Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
>
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how
> other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated
> programming, and that would have been just fine. But
> instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by
> people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each
> other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk
> inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without
> guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please
> close the thread.
>
> And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
What are you apologizing for?
You posed a question on a discussion board, and I wrote you an answer. What's the problem? Look, I'm not even in San Diego, I'm a freelance designer and a fan of Shepard Farey's, I just thought I'd answer your question and address other postings on the board in response to yours. Did you not intend to receive and answer or begin a discussion? MJ at least wrote back and responded to some of my other points, but you don't even want there to be a discussion over a thread you began.
I know you're sorry you asked the quesiton, but did you not want an answer or clarification to begin with? Then why post the thought?
I'll refrain from posting on the San Diego board in the future.
Your original message was:
> > > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have
> a
> > > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
>
> > of
> > > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> > strange!
> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
>
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how
> other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated
> programming, and that would have been just fine. But
> instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by
> people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each
> other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk
> inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without
> guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please
> close the thread.
>
> And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
What are you apologizing for?
You posed a question on a discussion board, and I wrote you an answer. What's the problem? Look, I'm not even in San Diego, I'm a freelance designer and a fan of Shepard Farey's, I just thought I'd answer your question and address other postings on the board in response to yours. Did you not intend to receive and answer or begin a discussion? MJ at least wrote back and responded to some of my other points, but you don't even want there to be a discussion over a thread you began.
I know you're sorry you asked the quesiton, but did you not want an answer or clarification to begin with? Then why post the thought?
I'll refrain from posting on the San Diego board in the future.
Your original message was:
> > > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have
> a
> > > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
>
> > of
> > > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> > strange!
M
Magic91derful
Guest
Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
Garrett--when you get your own web site , you can decide when
a thread is shut down. Is it radio-info or Garrett-info?
By the way--the logo you questioned, that is a symbol
of freedom, independence...independent radio. Its is
frightening that you needed that to be pointed out
to you. Symbolism --tough concept for a radio geek
these days.
> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
>
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how
> other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated
> programming, and that would have been just fine. But
> instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by
> people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each
> other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk
> inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without
> guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please
> close the thread.
>
> And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
>
>
> > > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have
> a
> > > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
>
> > of
> > > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> > strange!
> >
> > I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> > mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> > Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> > too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> > respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
> >
> > In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say
> it
> > was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
>
> > case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> > differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
>
> > on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges,
> Clap
> > Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
>
> > diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> > include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> > DJs more interested in themselves than the music they
> play,
> > I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> > "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
> >
> > Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> > artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant
> images,
> > and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by
> virtue
> > of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
>
> > San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> > demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
> >
> > I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> > owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting
> on
> > their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
>
> > can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> > operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> > Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other
> rock
> > stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> > 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them,
> but
> > I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
>
> > like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done
> something
> > else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> > making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
>
> > they were gone.
> >
> > Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> > Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on
> paper
> > only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington
> D.C.
> > That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting
> up
> > a piece of drywall.
> >
>
Garrett--when you get your own web site , you can decide when
a thread is shut down. Is it radio-info or Garrett-info?
By the way--the logo you questioned, that is a symbol
of freedom, independence...independent radio. Its is
frightening that you needed that to be pointed out
to you. Symbolism --tough concept for a radio geek
these days.
> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
>
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please. It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil. We could have talked about how
> other stations in San Diego have too much syndicated
> programming, and that would have been just fine. But
> instead, the thread was successfully hijacked once again by
> people who wanted to shoot cheap shots and insults at each
> other. Hey, guys? Take it outside, and leave your trash talk
> inside the control room. If we can't have a thread without
> guys from competing stations shooting it out here, please
> close the thread.
>
> And I'm sorry I posted it to begin with...
>
> (And by the way, if it's true that that CC and FC are in
> cahoots, may the FCC strip their licenses from now to
> eternity, but I highly doubt this is the case).
>
>
> > > If FM 94/9 is local to San Diego, than why do they have
> a
> > > sign on their website which very much resembles the hand
>
> > of
> > > the Statue of Liberty? For a station that is owned by a
> > > company not located in San Diego, I find this very
> > strange!
> >
> > I don't think Shepard Fairey had the Statue of Liberty in
> > mind when he came up with the FM 94/9 "fist" logo.
> > Interesting you draw the conclusion you did, but harmless
> > too. Americans, no matter where you are in the country,
> > respond to the Statue of Liberty as a uniting symbol.
> >
> > In Shepard Fairey's case with the logo, however, I'd say
> it
> > was intended as a symbol of collective power, in FM 94/9's
>
> > case, the potential power of rock music being presented
> > differently, with respect, and against the corporate grain
>
> > on the radio, and since I'm still hearing the Stooges,
> Clap
> > Your Hands Say Yeah and even Public Enemy as part of their
>
> > diverse mix which isn't so cool for the room it can't
> > include more mainstream material, still without obnoxious
> > DJs more interested in themselves than the music they
> play,
> > I'd say FM 94/9 is still getting the job done, and their
> > "fist of rock" symbolizes that.
> >
> > Shepard Fairey, by the way, is a San Diego born-and-bred
> > artist. He's the guy who does all those Obey Giant
> images,
> > and though he works out of Los Angeles these days by
> virtue
> > of necessity and accessiblity, he still regularly comes to
>
> > San Diego to do poster signings, participate in
> > demonstrations, and even do guest DJ gigs at clubs.
> >
> > I can't recall a time when FM 94/9 ever said they weren't
> > owned by a large insurance company. They've been busting
> on
> > their east coast employers and themselves for as long as I
>
> > can remember, they just made it a point to say they are
> > operated locally and free of corporate interferences.
> > Jefferson Pilot, from what I've been told, has no other
> rock
> > stations in their small group of stations, so I guess FM
> > 94/9 is something of an interesting test case for them,
> but
> > I suppose it's also profitable, otherwise Jefferson Pilot,
>
> > like Clear Channel or anyone else, would have done
> something
> > else with the station. Thankfully FM 94/9 seems to be
> > making everything work. I'd sure miss them on the dial if
>
> > they were gone.
> >
> > Plus, from what I've heard, isn't 91X still in the Clear
> > Channel building? Sounds like they're independent on
> paper
> > only so as to satisfy the pencil-pushers in Washington
> D.C.
> > That's a pretty lame way to declare independence: putting
> up
> > a piece of drywall.
> >
>
K
KMRichards
Guest
Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
Sorry, Garrett, but I think the thread has become quite interesting, and is not far enough removed from your start to be considered hijacked.
It also hasn't deteriorated into personal attacks, thank you all very much.
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please.
Request noted but respectfully declined.
> It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil.
Huh?
I haven't seen any lack of civility (for a change), except maybe from Magic91 reminding you that this isn't your board. And it isn't.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Ok folks, moderators, (KM and Co.), I want to apologize for
> starting this thread, it was a mistake. It was never
> intended as a lean against a 94/9 or vice versa. But, no
> sooner then I started the thread, somehow, it became a
> discussion about Clear-channel. I NEVER mentioned
> Clear-channel in the original thread. At the same time, some
> other people thought it to be a good opportunity to pile it
> thick against KBZT and how "yes, their music isn't good,
> you're right," which I NEVER said at all. And lastly, we
> have the nameless station insiders who decided to use this
> as yet another opportunity to once again drag out the tired
> "well, isn't Finest City in the same building as
> Clear-channel?" conspiracy theory again.
Sorry, Garrett, but I think the thread has become quite interesting, and is not far enough removed from your start to be considered hijacked.
It also hasn't deteriorated into personal attacks, thank you all very much.
> So, Moderator? Shut down the thread please.
Request noted but respectfully declined.
> It seems every
> thread I open ends with this, and the failure of the rest of
> the posters to stay civil.
Huh?
I haven't seen any lack of civility (for a change), except maybe from Magic91 reminding you that this isn't your board. And it isn't.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
> Sorry, Garrett, but I think the thread has become quite
> interesting, and is not far enough removed from your start
> to be considered hijacked.
>
> It also hasn't deteriorated into personal attacks, thank you
> all very much.
>
> I haven't seen any lack of civility (for a change), except
> maybe from Magic91 reminding you that this isn't your board.
> And it isn't.
>
Okay...
> Sorry, Garrett, but I think the thread has become quite
> interesting, and is not far enough removed from your start
> to be considered hijacked.
>
> It also hasn't deteriorated into personal attacks, thank you
> all very much.
>
> I haven't seen any lack of civility (for a change), except
> maybe from Magic91 reminding you that this isn't your board.
> And it isn't.
>
Okay...
Re: YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING.
> Garrett--when you get your own web site , you can decide
> when
> a thread is shut down. Is it radio-info or Garrett-info?
Hahahaha, LOL! Someday, I WILL take over the world
Until then, let's stick with radio-info (and yeah, I see your point).
> By the way--the logo you questioned, that is a symbol
> of freedom, independence...independent radio.
So it's a college station, is it? If JP wants real independence, how about they give the frequency over to KSDT? I'm sure they could work something out!
Its is
> frightening that you needed that to be pointed out
> to you. Symbolism --tough concept for a radio geek
> these days.
No, it's very simple... Brand Identification, McDonalds and Burger King, Republicans and Democrats. As much as they didn't intend it, (and as good as their artist is), their "symbol of freedom" looks like the hand form the statue of Liberty, which is also, a "symbol of freedom." IMO, it doesn't work, and confuses the listener and the message.
As for the "Gee, isn't 91X still in the same building as Clear-channel," that is not relevant to ANY discussion. These stations have differnt sales staffs, different VP, a differnet entrance, different webservers, and different streaming. It'd be like saying that becuase Subway and McDonalds are in the same building that they have the same owner, when they don't. But hey, feel free to call anyone who works at Z90, I'm sure they'll say other wise, right?
> Garrett--when you get your own web site , you can decide
> when
> a thread is shut down. Is it radio-info or Garrett-info?
Hahahaha, LOL! Someday, I WILL take over the world
Until then, let's stick with radio-info (and yeah, I see your point).
> By the way--the logo you questioned, that is a symbol
> of freedom, independence...independent radio.
So it's a college station, is it? If JP wants real independence, how about they give the frequency over to KSDT? I'm sure they could work something out!
Its is
> frightening that you needed that to be pointed out
> to you. Symbolism --tough concept for a radio geek
> these days.
No, it's very simple... Brand Identification, McDonalds and Burger King, Republicans and Democrats. As much as they didn't intend it, (and as good as their artist is), their "symbol of freedom" looks like the hand form the statue of Liberty, which is also, a "symbol of freedom." IMO, it doesn't work, and confuses the listener and the message.
As for the "Gee, isn't 91X still in the same building as Clear-channel," that is not relevant to ANY discussion. These stations have differnt sales staffs, different VP, a differnet entrance, different webservers, and different streaming. It'd be like saying that becuase Subway and McDonalds are in the same building that they have the same owner, when they don't. But hey, feel free to call anyone who works at Z90, I'm sure they'll say other wise, right?
Lots of love for 949 at <a target="_blank" href=http://sandiego.craigslist.org/rnr/139533937.html>Craig's list</a>.<P ID="signature">______________
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