If the Hot 100 doesnt mean anything, why have it

[whit979]

LOL WAT?

And you just lost any shred of credibility that you thought you had coming into this conversation.

99 percent of the public, media, ect dont care about some rare bullshit radio chart. Its all about the Hot 100, since the 1950s till now.

This is a forum followed and contributed to by radio programmers, producers, managers, engineers, on-air talent and enthusiasts. The general public could not care less about the inner workings of radio, which is why nobody here references the Hot 100.

I'm sorry but you do not have any credibility trying to put radio people in their place when you clearly have no idea how modern radio is programmed. No disrespect to the Hot 100 which, again, is a fine chart for posterity's sake and to measure overall popularity, but this forum is about radio.

 

[atlantaboy]

However, historically, outside sources like MTV or VH1 or music articles on Yahoo or CNN, etc use the Hot 100 when documenting a song's success.

Watch any episode of the VH1's Greatest Hits of the '00s and if charts are mentioned at all, they are referencing the Billboard Hot 100.

Only if they are referring to genres that do well on the Hot 100, or time periods before 1994 when the Hot 100 was a pop chart

Watch a documentary on Linkin Park, Alanis Morissette, Counting Crows, etc. and I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned.

Both of the examples I brought up clearly happened post 1994, yet the Hot 100 was used in both instances

Because the two acts you mentioned were straight pop, which does well on the Hot 100 - if you look up acts that are Alternative, Country, Hot AC, Rock, etc., I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned

 

[justpassingthough]

However, historically, outside sources like MTV or VH1 or music articles on Yahoo or CNN, etc use the Hot 100 when documenting a song's success.

Watch any episode of the VH1's Greatest Hits of the '00s and if charts are mentioned at all, they are referencing the Billboard Hot 100.

Only if they are referring to genres that do well on the Hot 100, or time periods before 1994 when the Hot 100 was a pop chart

Watch a documentary on Linkin Park, Alanis Morissette, Counting Crows, etc. and I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned.

Both of the examples I brought up clearly happened post 1994, yet the Hot 100 was used in both instances

Because the two acts you mentioned were straight pop, which does well on the Hot 100 - if you look up acts that are Alternative, Country, Hot AC, Rock, etc., I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned

Wasn't this summer a prime example, though, of songs like Lil Wayne/Drake "She Will" and Jason Aldean "Dirt Road Anthem" that break into the top 5 of the Hot 100 but receive almost zero airplay at CHR? One of the reasons that the Hot 100 is used is because it isn't just a 'Pop' or CHR chart- it gives weight to songs regardless of music format.

 

[atlantaboy]

^I just know it's nearly impossible for Country, Alternative, or Hot AC songs to hit #1 on the Hot 100, especially between 1991 and the start of the I-Tunes era, so any Wikipedia articles, TV specials, etc. about artists from these genres won't mention the Hot 100 (they'll mention format charts instead)

TV specials and articles about pop artists, urban artists, and artists from the 60s/70s/80s will use the Hot 100, either because (1)this is the chart where the artist performed best, or (2)in the case of artists from the 50s/60s/early 70s, the Hot 100 was the only singles chart that existed at the time

 

[justpassingthough]

^I just know it's nearly impossible for Country, Alternative, or Hot AC songs to hit #1 on the Hot 100, especially between 1991 and the start of the I-Tunes era, so any Wikipedia articles, TV specials, etc. about artists from these genres won't mention the Hot 100 (they'll mention format charts instead)

TV specials and articles about pop artists, urban artists, and artists from the 60s/70s/80s will use the Hot 100, either because (1)this is the chart where the artist performed best, or (2)in the case of artists from the 50s/60s/early 70s, the Hot 100 was the only singles chart that existed at the time

I think the biggest problem with the Hot 100, that has only been exasperrated in the iTunes era, is that the chart keeps out artists like Linkin Park, etc who may have phenomenal album sales but never chart well with singles.

I think Drake is a more recent example of this phenomenon- as his albums sell well, and he releases multiple tracks to various radio formats- but they kill each other effectively, on the Hot 100. His only #1 was "Whats My Name", which is technically Rihanna's track. Those artists have always and will always exist, though.

 

[atlantaboy]

I just think the whole concept of sales and multi-format airplay peaking at the same time is really unimportant in terms of the song and artists' success - who cares if airplay peaks at the same time on multiple formats, or if the song crosses over from one format to another slowly? It doesn't make the artist any richer, or the song any more successful or well-known.

And then you have labels trying the manipulate the Hot 100 by repressing sales so that everyone buys the song in one week - and power rotation on some formats counting twice as much as power rotation on other formats, because spin rotation is higher -IMO the whole thing is just...dumb