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If WRKO offered Howie mornings...

Acc to an article in today's Herald about Howie and the statement he had to read, it was said
that while Entercom/WRKO matched Howie's offer from WTKK, they're not budging (for now)
on the idea of giving Howie a morning drive slot, which is what he wants. Chances are even
that may not stop him from leaving--he also wants to be on FM, and working with a company
that may better promote him. No more Sox pre-emptions or signal fade after dark.

Still, you wonder if Jason might try to say, "We'll put you on in am drive and move Finneran to
afternoons--is that enough?" (Probably not...)
 
FROM: The desk of Jason Kahn, Julie Wolfe

TO: Howard Lawrence Carr

Date: 7-14-07

RE: Final Offer

Mr. Carr,

Here is the new offer from Entercom

1)5 years at 300,000 per year - that's 1.5 extra large

2)We broadcast you on 107.3 FM, 680 AM, 93.7 FM, simulcast on WKAF 97.7 FM
(Your request to throw in WEEI in the mornings as well is unacceptable)

3)You get four weeks off a year

4)Reverend Ted Haggard, Senator David "Tender" Vittles http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00151.htm
Colonel Hunt and Avi Nelso will fill in - all at once

5)Your life-size Tom Finneran punching bag doll gets to co-host

please come back. all is forgiven. drop the suit.
 
Nothing personal directed against Howie Carr...

But does WHERE HE'LL BE BROADCASTING going to affect the price of gas, the outcome of the war, the ridiculous federal, state and local taxes ALL of us have to pay?

We already know his departure from WRKO won't affect the stock market! :p

Can't some of us who aren't currently broadcasting...and are willing to take a little less in our paychecks have the opportunity to experience "BIG LEAGUE BROADCASTING" have a chance?

I can't believe how many comments I've read about IMUS, HOWIE and others who are under the false assumption that they are God's Gift to Radio!

argytunes
 
Argy you hit the nail on the head.

There's a lot of healthy discussion on the Save_Bostons_progressive_talk group, lots of talented communicators out there.

Like I said before, for every superb http://www.radioparadise.com (if they want to go with music) or http://www.thomhartmann.com/ available for broadcast, at WRKO you get a hack like http://toddtalk.com/ that just can't articulate positions that people in Massachusetts want to talk about, nor can he show a little integrity and let an opposing point of view on the air unimpeded by interruptions.

Avi Nelson is far more dangerous. he actually is very talented (where Feinburg has limited skills). Nelson is obnoxious in his ability to keep yapping and not allow a logical point of view on the airwaves.

So WRKO has effectively eaten their own when their biggest name jumps ship and they are left with hideous hires:

...the no-talent hacks like Feinburg or a Spencer Hughes who might as well be Todd Feinburg's brother http://www.spencerhughes.net/

while excellent and compelling hosts - Jay Diamond, Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhodes - aren't even considered for RKO.

And as for local...please, they could care less about the rich variety of talent available and in abundance in this region. That's why WRKO's house of cards is falling apart now that their former cash cow is disgruntled and busy bad-mouthing them.

Of course The Red Sox will keep them afloat... as i've said, the game is afoot - something else is going on here.

Jason and Julie can't be THAT incompetent... higher ups are dictating they put out a cheap, bad product. They are just doing what they are told. Call it "The Oedipus Complex" - tempted by the Dark Side and doing the bidding of their master.
 
Howie will be on the air at WTKK by October at the latest.
There'll be lots of harumphing, some cash spent on lawyers.
If I read the law right, Howie wins.
Look for old time standards coming to The Great 68, WRKO, with such classics as "How Green Is My Valley."
 
Here is the deal. It is not a question that Howie thinks he is "god's gift to radio" it is that to the owners, (both entercom and GreaterMedia), he is a cash cow! It is not the ratings, it is the revenue that he can generate for whom ever he works for. That is why your basic smuck who wants the big time doesn't ALWAYS get there. The people who do the hiring and pay the big bucks want someone who will give even bigger bucks in return. Your question of why someone like you can't get a chance in radio is best asked to JIBGUY who looks at labor the same way Ann Coulter looks at liberals.

argytunes said:
Nothing personal directed against Howie Carr...

But does WHERE HE'LL BE BROADCASTING going to affect the price of gas, the outcome of the war, the ridiculous federal, state and local taxes ALL of us have to pay?

We already know his departure from WRKO won't affect the stock market! :p

Can't some of us who aren't currently broadcasting...and are willing to take a little less in our paychecks have the opportunity to experience "BIG LEAGUE BROADCASTING" have a chance?

I can't believe how many comments I've read about IMUS, HOWIE and others who are under the false assumption that they are God's Gift to Radio!

argytunes
 
burnedout guy said:
Here is the deal. It is not a question that Howie thinks he is "god's gift to radio" it is that to the owners, (both entercom and GreaterMedia), he is a cash cow! It is not the ratings, it is the revenue that he can generate for whom ever he works for. That is why your basic smuck who wants the big time doesn't ALWAYS get there. The people who do the hiring and pay the big bucks want someone who will give even bigger bucks in return. Your question of why someone like you can't get a chance in radio is best asked to JIBGUY who looks at labor the same way Ann Coulter looks at liberals.

argytunes said:
Nothing personal directed against Howie Carr...

But does WHERE HE'LL BE BROADCASTING going to affect the price of gas, the outcome of the war, the ridiculous federal, state and local taxes ALL of us have to pay?

We already know his departure from WRKO won't affect the stock market! :p

Can't some of us who aren't currently broadcasting...and are willing to take a little less in our paychecks have the opportunity to experience "BIG LEAGUE BROADCASTING" have a chance?

I can't believe how many comments I've read about IMUS, HOWIE and others who are under the false assumption that they are God's Gift to Radio!

argytunes

Funny thing is Greater Media never really wanted Howie. He kind of just fell into their lap because one guy lost his job and then the other guy wanted to be on Hardball every week. . I also doubt Barncile pushed for Howie to take over mornings. Otherwise, Barnicle would've never left just to prevent Carr from entering the building. If Imus or Barnicle was still doing mornings at WTKK, I could see Howie still be doing his Chump Line on WRKO, and liking it, with or without a new deal way past Sept.19. I doubt either Entercom or Greater Media really wanted Howie as much as misguided Howie fans here would like the world to believe.
 
burned out guy...

There seems to be a universal theme with "cash cows" and corporate owners of radio stations. As long a jock (talented or not) continues to attract listeners and advertisers....the cow will continued to be fed and milked.

But the moment the milk dries up.......(aka listeners and advertisers diminish), the old cow is likely to be SLAUGHTERED and replaced by a less expensive model that produces more milk and demands less grain (aka CASH) for nourishment. :p

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
burned out guy...

There seems to be a universal theme with "cash cows" and corporate owners of radio stations. As long a jock (talented or not) continues to attract listeners and advertisers....the cow will continued to be fed and milked.

But the moment the milk dries up.......(aka listeners and advertisers diminish), the old cow is likely to be SLAUGHTERED and replaced by a less expensive model that produces more milk and demands less grain (aka CASH) for nourishment. :p

argytunes

Yep. Just like a real business.

Regards,
TSB
 
Of course, TSB...

The policy I described earlier might resemble a REAL business....but not necessarily a good business! ???

argytunes
 
brightonboris said:
Funny thing is Greater Media never really wanted Howie. He kind of just fell into their lap because one guy lost his job and then the other guy wanted to be on Hardball every week. . I also doubt Barncile pushed for Howie to take over mornings. Otherwise, Barnicle would've never left just to prevent Carr from entering the building. If Imus or Barnicle was still doing mornings at WTKK, I could see Howie still be doing his Chump Line on WRKO, and liking it, with or without a new deal way past Sept.19. I doubt either Entercom or Greater Media really wanted Howie as much as misguided Howie fans here would like the world to believe.

Anybody remember Carr ever saying he wanted a morning drive slot before this came up? on WRKO or anywhere else?
 
argytunes said:
Of course, TSB...

The policy I described earlier might resemble a REAL business....but not necessarily a good business! ???

argytunes

Well, I know of nobody who considers keeping non- and under- performing employees in key positions to be 'good' business.

YMMV, and seemingly does.

Regards,
TSB
 
Well, I know of nobody who considers keeping non- and under- performing employees in key positions to be 'good' business.
YMMV, and seemingly does.
Regards,
TSB

HAH! If ONLY that were true! Well sure, nobody actually says that they consider keeping non-performing employees in key positions is "good business". But actions speak louder than words, and that management concept is endemic throughout the business world...not just broadcasting. If it weren't, Dilbert wouldn't be so popular.
 
argytunes said:
burned out guy...

There seems to be a universal theme with "cash cows" and corporate owners of radio stations. As long a jock (talented or not) continues to attract listeners and advertisers....the cow will continued to be fed and milked.

But the moment the milk dries up.......(aka listeners and advertisers diminish), the old cow is likely to be SLAUGHTERED and replaced by a less expensive model that produces more milk and demands less grain (aka CASH) for nourishment. :p

argytunes

well in this case this cash cow is still going strong and will continue to for awhile. I highly doubt that the wringing of hands and the gnashing of teeth and the calls to lawyers are entercom's way of ridding themselves of washed up talent and secondly I don't think Carr is being forced on GreaterMedia nor I don't believe they feel they have to take them
 
webcastboy said:
Well, I know of nobody who considers keeping non- and under- performing employees in key positions to be 'good' business.
YMMV, and seemingly does.
Regards,
TSB

HAH! If ONLY that were true! Well sure, nobody actually says that they consider keeping non-performing employees in key positions is "good business". But actions speak louder than words, and that management concept is endemic throughout the business world...not just broadcasting. If it weren't, Dilbert wouldn't be so popular.

That fact that they keep those employees doesn't mean they think it's good business practice (which was my point), only that it happens. Union regs, discrimination laws, and internal company politics keep a lot of folks in jobs well past their 'fresh thru' dates. That still doesn't make it a good idea.

Regards,
TSB
 
Finn said:
brightonboris said:
Funny thing is Greater Media never really wanted Howie. He kind of just fell into their lap because one guy lost his job and then the other guy wanted to be on Hardball every week. . I also doubt Barncile pushed for Howie to take over mornings. Otherwise, Barnicle would've never left just to prevent Carr from entering the building. If Imus or Barnicle was still doing mornings at WTKK, I could see Howie still be doing his Chump Line on WRKO, and liking it, with or without a new deal way past Sept.19. I doubt either Entercom or Greater Media really wanted Howie as much as misguided Howie fans here would like the world to believe.

Anybody remember Carr ever saying he wanted a morning drive slot before this came up? on WRKO or anywhere else?


Howie went for the money. Of course, it certainly looks better for him to say that WRKO 'dissed' him, and that FM talk is the wave of the future, but that's just 'boob bait for the bubbas' over at SaveWRKO and the internet boards.

First off, FM talk, as envisioned, is going nowhere. The most successful FM talker in the US is WTKK, and they can't crack the Top 10 after almost a decade of trying. Everywhere else, it scratches. The entire theory behind FM Talk was that it was supposed to be 'edgier' and skew younger with better qualitatives. WTKK seems to have given up on that, especially with the hiring of Carr, and is now just trying to compete with the other adult-oriented stations.

WRKO seems to have treated Carr very well. He's by far the highest paid person on the station, has a dedicated production staff, and the majority of WRKO promotional activity is for his benefit. If Carr, or anyone, thinks that it was an affront to Howie to have a couple of Red Sox preempts and lose the last 1/2 hour of his show on occasion, either Howie, or they, are delusional. Carr had a deal that probably everyone on this board, and WRKO critics like Maloney, would have killed for, especially Maloney.

Howie wants folks to think that he was 'dissed' by WRKO when they hired his long-time nemesis, Finneran. So, what does he do? He moves to a station where implacable enemies reside; Barnicle hates his guts, Graham things he's a lightweight and is probably bitter than he didn't get the AM slot, Braude thinks he's a jerk and has for years, and Severin thinks he's pond scum and has made a hobby out of bad-mouthing him as a crude, lowest-common-denominator hack. Of course, Severin is also the only guaranteed winner in all this, so he probably thinks (or more likely, knows) that Christmas came early this year.

There would have been no reason for WRKO to move Carr to AMD, since he was performing well in PMD, and they've always promoted the crap out of him in that slot (remember when Severin was making inroads and you couldn't go by a bus, taxi, newspaper, or billboard without seeing Carr's smiling mug?). WTKK appears to be the one taking a chance here, betting millions that Carr will perform.

But, one of the secrets to Carr's success is that he has, in PMD, been the first string talent up against the JV. The one time a station made a run at him with above average talent, WTKK with Severin, Severin occasionally beat him straight up, always beat him in the demo, and, until his ill-considered move to syndication, basically fought him to a draw.

Carr wants to position this as his revenge against WRKO and Finneran. But his competition in AMD isn't Finneran, it's folks with names like Walsh, Callahan, Dennis, Brine, Owens, O&A, Seigel, Adams, Dorman, Hill, and Lander. With many of these guys, he has absolutely zero chance of making a dent in their audiences. Of the others, he's going against D&C just as the Sox hit the playoffs and the Pats season is getting up to speed, WBZ will just keep doing their thing as the only game in town, and L&W are funnier and more clever, with the most loyal audience which has stayed with them as stations and formats changed around them (plus, they are in the same building, and GM is going to have to walk a fine promotional line not to cannibalize the audience of two guys just locked into a long term deal.) His other problem is that all his afternoon listeners already have a favorite morning show and, with radio being a notorious 'habit medium', thinking that they'll all, or even most, switch could be very expensive wishful thinking. And, he has to try to keep the current WTKK audience, which could be problematic since I don't think Imus/Barnicle listeners have a natural affinity toward Howie's style of show. Morning Drive is different than PMD, and his act is going to have to change for him to have a chance. And, after doing the same act for 20 years, there is no evidence than he can successfully pull that off.

His fabled 'revenue generation' at WRKO was mostly based on his numbers, not his charisma. Other than that lawyer who specializes in having the taxpayers pick up medical tabs so the kids can inherit those 'sacred savings' and, perhaps, the Hearth & Kettle, exactly which clients are going to follow him to WTKK if he doesn't do a respectable number?

If all he does is beat Finneran, he'll make the record books as the greatest big-money bust in the history of local broadcasting. This isn't anywhere near the slam dunk that some Carr fans seem to think it is.

Regards,
TSB
 
so TSB,

who do you suppose made the first call? Carr or WTKK?

And, do you think this had anything to do with the Blazer hire? like, the former pd didn't go along with this decision, for many of the reasons you just cited?
 
TSBench said:
Finn said:
brightonboris said:
Funny thing is Greater Media never really wanted Howie. He kind of just fell into their lap because one guy lost his job and then the other guy wanted to be on Hardball every week. . I also doubt Barncile pushed for Howie to take over mornings. Otherwise, Barnicle would've never left just to prevent Carr from entering the building. If Imus or Barnicle was still doing mornings at WTKK, I could see Howie still be doing his Chump Line on WRKO, and liking it, with or without a new deal way past Sept.19. I doubt either Entercom or Greater Media really wanted Howie as much as misguided Howie fans here would like the world to believe.

Anybody remember Carr ever saying he wanted a morning drive slot before this came up? on WRKO or anywhere else?

First off, FM talk, as envisioned, is going nowhere. The most successful FM talker in the US is WTKK, and they can't crack the Top 10 after almost a decade of trying. Everywhere else, it scratches. The entire theory behind FM Talk was that it was supposed to be 'edgier' and skew younger with better qualitatives. WTKK seems to have given up on that, especially with the hiring of Carr, and is now just trying to compete with the other adult-oriented stations.

Certainly not as big a market as Boston, but Orlando's WTKS (Real Radio) had been doing real well in the ratings; maybe even top 5. Since I left there in late 2001, not sure of ratings but it still seems to be going strong based on their site.
 
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