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If you could do it all over again.

Great topic – I’ve really enjoyed reading the responses.

I would absolutely choose radio as a career again.  However, I would pursue it with more focus and I would make better job decisions than I have.

I’ve been in radio since 1970, my career punctuated, of course, by periods of unemployment.  I still get a rush being on the air live.  Listening to an aircheck after a good day behind the mic still brings an exuberant joy.  I still find it rewarding and fun to create a spot from the writing to the final audio processing.

I’ve worked at stations that I’ve loved (WGAN, Portland late 70s – early 80s, The Wave in Los Angeles early 2000s).  I’ve had many experiences that brought me enormous professional satisfaction (doing 3 airshifts from inside the Abbey Road studio on the 30th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper).

Like everyone, though, I’ve experienced the frustration of unemployment.  I’ve also been completely at a loss for what to do when I did not at all fit in with the culture of my workplace.  I’ve known the punch-in-the-gut of being suddenly let go after 5 years for no clear reason - just “we’re going in another direction.” (Clear Channel).

I’ve said to co-workers over the past several years: “don’t fall in love with your radio station, because more often than not, radio will break your heart.”

It’s easy to blame the turbulence of our business for “not being where we’d like to be.” I, however, take most of the responsibility as I look back at key poor job decisions I’ve made over the years: 

• I’ve quit very good jobs for stupid reasons

• I’ve turned down very good job offers for the wrong reasons

• I’ve changed jobs for reasons not career-related, like a woman or wanting to live in a particular place

• I didn’t recognize the value of a professional radio “mentor” when one was available to me early in my career

I was single until age 52, so I was able to freely roll the dice for much of my career.  Perhaps too freely. Results have been mixed.  I’ve had big jobs at small stations and I’ve had small jobs at big stations.  I’ve yet to have the big job at the big station.

Today, I’m the production guy at a 4 station group in market 131.  I haven’t fallen in love with these radio stations, but I am still in love with the craft.

Every single day brings an opportunity at creativity!  It could be giving a good, meaningful read to well-written 60 sec copy.  Maybe whippin’ together some fresh, hi-energy imaging for our country station.  It could be writing new imaging for the soft AC. Maybe just layin’ down one great bit on the air while filling in for one of the air personalities.

Considering what a tough time this is for us old-schoolers, I’m very grateful to have this position and these daily opportunities at creativity.  At age 58, I feel I’m doing the best production of my career.  I also believe – and you guys might think I’m naïve – that there’s a better, more challenging, more satisfying job ahead.

Despite the bumpy, uneven road of the past 41 years, the joy has an edge over the despair.  Yes, I’d absolutely choose radio again.

Nick Seneca
 
First gig at 17 in 1966--doing HS sports & PT jocking in small-town radio--paid for my college education (bachelor's & master's degrees) that way... yeah, at $3-to-$4 an hour (minimum wage was $1.25 an hour). Stayed on air and kept moving up in market size for about 10 years, but was fortunate enough to work for folks who also let me sell, in most instances. So I learned both sides (well, all three sides--also picked up a "First Ticket"--you oldsters know what that means).

By my early thirties was PD/AMD in a Top 50 market when we started to have kids, so searched the majors and kept getting offers for the same money as I was making in the mids, and determined that I was not likely to make my fortune on-air. So with a few grand and a lot of paper, bought an AM in my wife's hometown and settled into running these babies. Sold it, bought others, sold them and finally created my "real" career: managing other people's properties.

Still at it. Still lots of fun. And still making a very nice living at it, for an old guy.

Yeah, I'm glad I stuck it out. And, yeah, I'd do it all over again.
 
LOL, some great new questions added:

"If I had other marketable skills, would I still be doing this?" HECK no! In fact, I'm trying to figure out now if I DO have other marketable skills, other than "do you want fries with that?" ;D

"Knowing what you know about the business, would you want you kids to go into broadcasting?" HECK no! Have an internet radio station to play with maybe, but AVOID BROADCASTING AT ALL COSTS. It is an addictive substance similar to crack, except it's legal.

Radio will suck you in and you'll never be satisfied doing anything else. Radio will drag you from one side of the country to the other, and back again... in three years! Radio will have you on-call for fast food pay. Radio will destroy you for someone else's ego... and give you a falsely inflated ego as well. Radio will reward (at least temporarily) for bizarre reasons or NO reason, and punish in a similar matter.

Be a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker... DON'T get into radio (or any other media or entertainment medium!!!).

"It's not normal to give of your time and talent for 12" discs of plastic... but on radio, it is. Radio: don't start." ;)
 
Element9 said:
Most of the posters here appear to be Men 40+ so instead of asking "If you would do it all over again," a better question would be, "Knowing what you know about the business, would you want you kids to go into broadcasting?" Would you want your daughter to be the "hottie" on a Morning Zoo, or a sales rep rebuffing the not-so-subtle advances of a GM or SM twice her age? Would you want your son to be a lifetime board-op (a few steps above being a Wilson Farms lifer) or being a geek for a Morning Zoo? Would you encourage or discourage your kids if they wanted to be "in radio?"

I have 2 girls 22 and 29 neither one is doing much on the job front so anything would be an improvement. I'd encourage them in anything they wanted to do. If they were on the air, they'd probably be living at home. Times have changed, radio is a non issue for them. They are barely aware of it. They rarely listen.
 
With respect to our kids in radio...

Our daughter has discovered pop music in the last year or so and now listens on her own, besides having to listen to whatever what I or my wife have on at home or in the car. This morning that was "Wait! Wait! Don't Tell Me!"

Our son, who is older, pays no attention whatever to radio and not much to television either. The vast majority of his entertainment comes from the 'net.

I would probably fall over if either of them asked me about the broadcasting business.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
Element9 said:
Most of the posters here appear to be Men 40+ so instead of asking "If you would do it all over again," a better question would be, "Knowing what you know about the business, would you want you kids to go into broadcasting?" Would you want your daughter to be the "hottie" on a Morning Zoo, or a sales rep rebuffing the not-so-subtle advances of a GM or SM twice her age? Would you want your son to be a lifetime board-op (a few steps above being a Wilson Farms lifer) or being a geek for a Morning Zoo? Would you encourage or discourage your kids if they wanted to be "in radio?"

I have 2 girls 22 and 29 neither one is doing much on the job front so anything would be an improvement. I'd encourage them in anything they wanted to do. If they were on the air, they'd probably be living at home. Times have changed, radio is a non issue for them. They are barely aware of it. They rarely listen.
About four years ago my brother in law came to me and said "You've got to talk to Matthew, he thinks he wants to major in Communications..." It wasn't a request to encourage my nephew as much as it was a desperate plea to give the kid the real story about the glamorous business we call radio. Mike Sheridan and NightAire lay it out pretty well. As it turned out, my nephew went to a Little Ivy League college and received a degree in biochemistry. While in college he did a weekly show on the campus FM station which probably helped satisfy his interest in radio. He graduated, pursued and received a Masters degree and now works in research and development for a major (private) university medical and research center. He's paid a very respectable salary, receives four weeks of paid vacation each year, accrued sick days, employer sponsored retirement, credit for published academic work and a small percentage of any proprietary title that results in a patent. His mentors and department administrators appreciate his contributions. He works with a team of researchers and scientists that encourage and guide him. He also takes college courses for advancement at one-fourth the cost per credit hour. Most important? He's happy and enjoys his life. Not bad for six years out of college, but of course nothing compared to the benefits, fame and stability had be chosen a career in radio. [/sarcasm]
 
Nick Gerard said:
I’ve said to co-workers over the past several years: “don’t fall in love with your radio station, because more often than not, radio will break your heart.”

I agree with that. I never stayed at a station long enough to grow too attached.
 
Re: children and broadcasting as a career.

I teach media courses (as an adjunct prof) at a major university and advise my students that broadcasting is a performance business--great for achievement-driven folks, but not so great for those just looking for "a job." I also advise them that electronic communication is a field that will continue to thrive throughout their working lifetimes, but with constant change (just like it has for the past 40 years). So, those comfortable with change--and those who embrace the convergence process--will do fine.

FWIW, one of my kids became enthralled with the TV side of broadcasting and is making a very good living working for one of the big PBS producing stations. Life could be worse...
 
Perhaps I should answer my own question don’t you think?

I have mixed feelings about whether I made the right decision staying in radio as long as I did, or should have moved into a government job like I have now.

If I went with the government job back in the early 1970s I could have retired by now with a nice pension and medical plan; something that would have never happened in radio. Despite that I think I made the right decision sticking with radio as long as I did. In 2004 the time was right to leave. Besides why stay some place where one is not wanted or appreciated?

Granted after deregulation the need for local news went out the window, I did manage to spend some good years, before deregulation, working with and for some nice folks.

The best company I worked for was Malrite. Best GM’s were Murray Green and Len Hart at WNYR-WEZO.

Friends I made in the business; too numerous to count. Some of them are no longer with us.

Would I recommend broadcasting to anyone who asked my advice? I would tell them about the shortcomings and pitfalls, but add if that is a career they really desire, then go for it. I would suggest a backup career however.

I rarely if ever listen to the radio anymore. What’s ironic in my saying that is just this past weekend I ran into a former colleague who asked me if I listen to the last radio station I worked for fulltime? My reply was no. He added it’s good that I don’t because the quality of news has declined since a number of us “veterans” are no longer there. Hate to say it but that made me feel good in the sense that certain people thought I was doing a good job.

Would I go back in the business full-time if offered a job? NO! If I play my cards right and everything works out I hope to retire in just a few years.

I don’t miss having to work holidays, weekends, nights, and especially Election Day.

Thanks for all the replies to my question. Interesting to read what others think.
 
If I could do it again, I'd do it all over you.

I heard that line on the radio. I said something similar on the radio. I spent 38 years on the air in one format or another.I worked for two certifiable geniuses (Jeff Kaye and David Marsden---twice). Do I miss what it was? You bet. Do I regret not being a part of what it's become? Not a bit. Am I lucky that I've been able to reinvent myself along the way and remain in a related business? Absolutely.

If I could do it all over again, I would. In a heartbeat.

Berns
 
I've told this story before, but I got to meet a lot of the legends from the Golden Age of Radio (pre-50s) and they all said much of the same thing. They loved what they did, they think it would still have an audience today, they don't like what radio became with the rise of DJs and rock music, and they never listened to radio again after they left. They said the quality of radio went downhill when they got rid of the live music, drama, and comedy. Nothing today is as good as when they were in radio. That's from people who were there in the 30s and 40s.
 
To keep all of these memories and advice in perspective, just remember that many other lines of work can have a conversation just like this.

Ask the guys who in his 20's was bound and determined to be a "family farmer" what he is doing today, and if not farming, would he have avoided farming all together if he had it to over again.

Pilots. How many of us dreamed of flying. I live in a community with an above average percentage of retired pilots. Some of them did not get to consumate their careers as fully as they planned when someone went bankrupt. (Can you say Eastern Airlines?)

Lawyers. How many people went through law school but today are doing something different. (Can you say neal Boortz, radio talk guy?)

Retailers. When we go back to our hometown for class reunions we run into the offspring of the people who owned the stores where we used to shop when we were growing up. Now there is little besides a somewhat small, frumpy Walmart store and all these guys who were going to carry on the family retailing tradition into the second, third or fourth generation have scattered to the four winds.

In Wisconsin and some other rust belt states today there are some second, third and fourth generation teachers, firemen, policemen asking themselves: did I make the right choice? Would I do it again?

Go to Washington and seed out some of the old-timers. Folks who have been there for years like my favorite Richard Lugar from Indiana. Ask them if their "industry" has changed, and if they are advising their children to follow in their footsteps of "public service".

I once worked with a rather seemingly contented, philosophical automobile technician who had a bumper sticker stuck on the side of his big, red, impressive Snap-On roll-around tool chest: "LIFE'S A BITCH. And then you die." I need to go find him and see how he feels about his industry and it's changes.

I wonder if they still listen to the radio out in the shop at automobile dealerships.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
I wonder if they still listen to the radio out in the shop at automobile dealerships.

The guy who does my car has our station on it all day and night. Blasting to those PPMs.
 
Would I? Absolutely!

I started in radio earlier than most on this board - my first job was in 1956. I started with Patti Page, Perry Como, Jo Stafford, Tony Bennett, et al. Then worked through the early, exciting years of rock and roll - did record hops with The Everly
Brothers, Paul Anka, The Playmates, Danny & The Jrs. and many more. Wonderful memories of the hops at Timon High School, The Angola Rollercade, Fort Erie & UB among others.

Worked at radio - TV combos, doing both. Play by play baseball and basketball. Morning drive, middays, afternoon drive & evenings, too.
Met and worked with wonderful people along the way....Frank Ward, Fred Klestine, Danny Neaverth (sp) for a short time, Henry Brach,
Dick Carr, Tom Decker, Bob Mills, Will Moyle, Joe Cullinane, Anne Keefe, Jack Palvino, Dick Tobias, Beverly Morgan, Larry White, John Elliott,
Mike O'Brian, Earle Jerris, Mark Giardina, Chuck Lakefield, Jay Meyers. Friends for over 50 years with Dick Purtan, one of the great radio talents.
I've forgotten to list some, I know. If I hadn't been in radio, how would I ever have met so many wonderful people.

I also got to retire on my own terms - for that I'm thankful.

Would I go into radio now? I don't think so, but from 1956 to 2006, I had a ball!
 
One more quick thought on this subject... and I guess it relates to what I tell my students about being willing to embrace change--what we're now seeing as "convergence" and the general notion that whatever this industry looks like today, it is not going to stay like this... but that's okay.

Those of us who have navigated all the change we've seen since beginning our radio careers in the fifties, sixties, seventies--and who are still doing radio successfully today--are most likely pretty damn flexible. Same with GSmitty, in retirement following a 50-year career. Wow! And congratulations. I'm right behind you!

But radio--with all sorts of changes that we haven't even thought about, yet--will be around for another 50 years. And there will be tremendous opportunity for achievement ahead for the young broadcasters blessed with vision... and creativity... and initiative.

It just won't sound like it did in '56 or '66... or 2011.
 
GSmitty said:
Would I? Absolutely!

I started in radio earlier than most on this board - my first job was in 1956. I started with Patti Page, Perry Como, Jo Stafford, Tony Bennett, et al. Then worked through the early, exciting years of rock and roll - did record hops with The Everly
Brothers, Paul Anka, The Playmates, Danny & The Jrs. and many more. Wonderful memories of the hops at Timon High School, The Angola Rollercade, Fort Erie & UB among others.

Worked at radio - TV combos, doing both. Play by play baseball and basketball. Morning drive, middays, afternoon drive & evenings, too.
Met and worked with wonderful people along the way....Frank Ward, Fred Klestine, Danny Neaverth (sp) for a short time, Henry Brach,
Dick Carr, Tom Decker, Bob Mills, Will Moyle, Joe Cullinane, Anne Keefe, Jack Palvino, Dick Tobias, Beverly Morgan, Larry White, John Elliott,
Mike O'Brian, Earle Jerris, Mark Giardina, Chuck Lakefield, Jay Meyers. Friends for over 50 years with Dick Purtan, one of the great radio talents.
I've forgotten to list some, I know. If I hadn't been in radio, how would I ever have met so many wonderful people.

I also got to retire on my own terms - for that I'm thankful.

Would I go into radio now? I don't think so, but from 1956 to 2006, I had a ball!

Wow that's an impressive list of people! I'm green with envy!

I worked with Pat Fagan in Palm Beach and wish I had talked to him more about his days in Buffalo.

Growing up I started listening to the radio just before the old radio shows were ending their run. I think I REALLY would have enjoyed working in radio in the '40's and '50's even more than in the '70's, '80's and '90's.
 
to do it over again - i would have been WAAAY more
serious !! from the start !!! i barely made worked in
radio compared to the PROs here but (famous words)
"if i knew now..."
i would have saved my pennies, interned (shadow) interned
like when i was 12, and dedicated a summer
to move to ...chicago,ny, LA, (etc) and lived off my
savings and who have *made it* (esp.when i was
a teenager ) "walk ins" were still accepted.
(not walk ons, or free passes) but would have got
what I needed to be experienced (grow up fast) and to either stay
in the big market ( or ) more likely move to a medium
sized market and be a big(well tall) fish in a small pond..
say erie, or buffalo. then as the curve switched to auto/voice track
-stay ahead of the curve, and syndicate or voice track for
other markets.. ..
-still want to do that ( above) syndicate a interactive dance
show ( ie: open house party), sooo after i win the power.ball
...look out !!
 
amfmxm said:
One more quick thought on this subject... and I guess it relates to what I tell my students about being willing to embrace change--what we're now seeing as "convergence" and the general notion that whatever this industry looks like today, it is not going to stay like this... but that's okay.

Exactly....I see radio now at a similar point to where it was in the 70s with the FM explosion. But you can't think of radio as it was before. Otherwise, all you'll attract will be over 50 listeners.
 
I enjoyed my career as a sales rep and my only regret was trusting certain people in management and a few on-air personalities with what I considered to be confidential information.

D.T.A. (Don't Trust Anybody.)

I learned the hard way.
 
I'm not financially well off...never have been...but if we can measure by any other metric, I've had a rich life.

Many evenings during my teenage years were spent dxing 'KB from 300 miles away in Vermont. I make no apologies for wearing that influence on my sleeve here on this board. Reading this thread, I'm far from alone.

My wife of going on 29 years understood the business and could accept the crazy hours and unpredictability. Our first date included a visit to the radio station where I had my first job eight years before. When I hit a tough streak in 1988 - back when our oldest son was a baby - she encouraged me with these words..."I can't imagine you not being in radio". Within six months I was working in a new format for me: Country...just as Clint Black, Garth Brooks, Travis Tritt etc. were lauching their careers. It was the best of times, as this AM/FM Country combo not only owned a 2,300-seat art deco theater where they put on the weekly Jamboree USA radio show, they were also in the process of buying a couple hundred acres out in the country to stage their annual Jamboree In The Hills festival. So I got to learn the concert business too, as well as learn how to be a good emcee...hint: make it about the people in the audience.

I've been on-air as well as PD, MD and production/creative services at various stations, including the one referenced above. We've only moved once for the business...from Cortland NY to suburban Pittsburgh in 1986. And aside from a 3 1/2 year stint co-owning an advertising agency, I've been at the same station - thru five owners! - from 1992 to today. I've worked MOR, Music Of Your Life, AC, but for the most part have been Top 40 and since 1989...Country. The station's current owners are pushing live and local personality, both on-air and on-line...I'm actually excited for the future. What I've learned about PPM only reinforces what I used to hear on 'KB way back when...listeners love to hear about the artists and the music, from personalities who are passionate about both. My two biggest influences - Don Berns and the late Jack Armstrong - were masters of that type of content.

Plus today, I own a home-based VO-production studio. Wouldn't have been possible w/o radio.

Of course I can think of situations I'd have handled differently but to go back to the 70's...and get into radio again? Yes.

Tuesday evening, I'll go to my oldest son's college radio station and do a "father & son" show. He's a good jock for being in college and just playing around. It's just a shame the opportunities aren't there for him as they were for me. Fortunately radio is just a diversion for him...we never gave him any illusions otherwise. He'll do well in his chosen field, and Tuesday will be fun.
 
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