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Since WCDL has a much larger coverage area than does WAZL, and since there is a large hispanic community in the Scranton/Dickson City area and since Mayor Chris Dougherty is far more friendly to hispanics than is Hazleton's mayor Lou Barletta, it makes more sense for WCDL than it does for WAZL. WAZL is only 1Kw and WCDL is 5Kw. It can reach Scranton and WIlkes-Barre where WAZL can only reach Hazleton. WAZL needs to make it's money from the entire community, and not just one section of it. So playing the polkas, the italian music and putting in some spanish is good for them, but they couldn't live on spanish alone.crmc said:
Let's see Tony & Mike are live in the morning. They then run the noon edition of Channel-13's local news, The TV-13 crew does the afternoon news for WAZL and then they run Channel-13's evening news. No local news huh? Hmmmmm.... As for Pat Ward, Pat did a great news job, but it's a little hard to run a station when you're selling spots for 89 cents a piece, which was what Pat was doing. That's why he's not there anymore.Damian C Merillat said:
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Okay, so we have a radio station playing polkas and Italian music......so can someone tell me what's so wrong about adding Hispanic programming to that mix? If you're going to program to one ethnic group, program to all of them! I've noticed it's okay to have all that stuff on the air, but once Spanish language stuff is added the general listenership complains. What's so different?
IMHO the general population has had it with "Push 1 for English", the demands that are getting airtime from the illegals, and the language-creep that they experience everytime they see Spanish show up where only English used to be.
The politics inherent in the whole mess has infiltrated every aspect of our lives. This is their response to an accessible media outlet.
The Italians, Polish, Russians, Lithawanians, Germans and other legal immigrants all tried to assimilate (albeit at their own pace) into the American culture. The current wave has made it plain that they want equal status and expect to be fasttracked.
The citizen's are finding ways to push back. They can call the station anonymously and voice their true feelings. They can vote with their wallet. They can reelect Lou Barletta.
From where I sit they are not alone. From where I sit I'm not smart enough to make a judgement call.
I am keeping my eyes, ears, and mind open...and my powder dry.
The politics inherent in the whole mess has infiltrated every aspect of our lives. This is their response to an accessible media outlet.
The Italians, Polish, Russians, Lithawanians, Germans and other legal immigrants all tried to assimilate (albeit at their own pace) into the American culture. The current wave has made it plain that they want equal status and expect to be fasttracked.
The citizen's are finding ways to push back. They can call the station anonymously and voice their true feelings. They can vote with their wallet. They can reelect Lou Barletta.
From where I sit they are not alone. From where I sit I'm not smart enough to make a judgement call.
I am keeping my eyes, ears, and mind open...and my powder dry.
Re: I'm confused ??
Got a question for anyone who knows....is Bill Flynn still on WCDL doing his polka show; being a former board op for Bill (at WNBF for a short stint in 1979) I'm curious?? By the way, Bill's a great guy and does a great show (I'm biased, naturally). I would imagine his show is still on WNAK and WAZL as per his website; billflynnpolka.com.
KF
Got a question for anyone who knows....is Bill Flynn still on WCDL doing his polka show; being a former board op for Bill (at WNBF for a short stint in 1979) I'm curious?? By the way, Bill's a great guy and does a great show (I'm biased, naturally). I would imagine his show is still on WNAK and WAZL as per his website; billflynnpolka.com.
KF
I also ran the board for the Bill Flynn Polka Review. It was the first thing I ever did on-the air.I was impressed that he had jingles and shouts." Number 20", etc. I never knew where he got the content for his countdowns. I think he made them up.But as Polka specialty shows go his had the best production values. And he endured the test of time.
Bill Flynn certainly is a great guy and he does do a great show no doubt about it. I believe he is not on WCDL anymore. I was talking to a friend who is also a friend of Bill's who told me that Bill had virtually no advance notice about the format change. That is reprehensible as Bill had a lot of money personally riding on that weekly show.
Hello all - I think I see a good opportunity to relate some of the intensive research I've done in the last year on the Latinos in Hazleton and the problems that exist with the natives. My students at King's College have produced a documentary that addresses the issues on both sides - fairly and evenly (not just because I said so, like Fox News). We're hoping to air it on WVIA sometime this fall or winter (check your local listings).
First, to MadDrummer, for whom I have the utmost respect having known him in my younger days, you reflect the emotion of many residents in northeastern Pennsylvania. Let me address your points:
IMHO the general population has had it with "Push 1 for English", the demands that are getting airtime from the illegals, and the language-creep that they experience everytime they see Spanish show up where only English used to be.
The United States has no official language. Blame our forefathers - they thought of everything except... If current population trends continue in the United States, within forty years, Spanish will be the predominant language. The fact is that the Latino culture still reflects the old Irish Catholic model - pop out those kids, the more the merrier! (I'm one of six). The rest of us are happy with our 1.5 children, careers and McMansions.
The politics inherent in the whole mess has infiltrated every aspect of our lives. This is their response to an accessible media outlet.
See above
The Italians, Polish, Russians, Lithawanians, Germans and other legal immigrants all tried to assimilate (albeit at their own pace) into the American culture. The current wave has made it plain that they want equal status and expect to be fasttracked.
I have not found this to be fact, more an emotional response by us, "the natives". The old timers that I've interviewed and were upfront with me told me stories about their parents and grandparents who came from the old country (mostly Europe - especially eastern Europe). Many of them did expect their children to speak English and to assimilate, because they wanted a better life for the children than they had. The big difference in historical fact and the emotion of the issue is that a great many of the actual immigrants never spoke English themselves. It is very difficult for an adult to learn another language, especially if they are working long hours or multiple jobs to feed their families. Notice I haven't said illegal or undocumented... this was for a reason. I'm talking stricly about the legal, law abiding citizens who pay taxes and keep their homes clean. Unfortunately the minority - the criminals, the loud and obnoxious are the ones we point to and call "them". We must stop generalizing about people who speak another language and condemn them immediately - which is what we, collectively in northeastern Pennsylvania, have been doing. "They" are using our health care system, "they" are using our food stamps, "they" won't speak English. When Amilcar Aroyo, Publisher of the El Mensajero newspaper showed up at a rally for the Hazleton ordinance, he was told to "go back to your country". That would be... the United States. We all generalize too quickly.
The citizen's are finding ways to push back. They can call the station anonymously and voice their true feelings. They can vote with their wallet. They can reelect Lou Barletta.
Polka programs and the Don Giovanni Italian show have been on the air for years in NE PA - without incident as far as I can tell. Why is a Spanish language program more threatening. I'd think a two hour Gaelic bagpipe show would be more offensive. Let's face it, If Jim Ward were alive right now and saw $$$ in Spanish language programming, he would have been the first to jump on it. (Those Kurlancheeck Furniture spots would sound muy bueno in Spanish!)
From where I sit they are not alone. From where I sit I'm not smart enough to make a judgement call.
I am keeping my eyes, ears, and mind open...and my powder dry.
That is all I can ask of anyone, keep your eyes, ears and mind open... knowledge is power.
Mike Moran
Assistant Technical Professor
King's College
Wilkes-Barre, PA
First, to MadDrummer, for whom I have the utmost respect having known him in my younger days, you reflect the emotion of many residents in northeastern Pennsylvania. Let me address your points:
IMHO the general population has had it with "Push 1 for English", the demands that are getting airtime from the illegals, and the language-creep that they experience everytime they see Spanish show up where only English used to be.
The United States has no official language. Blame our forefathers - they thought of everything except... If current population trends continue in the United States, within forty years, Spanish will be the predominant language. The fact is that the Latino culture still reflects the old Irish Catholic model - pop out those kids, the more the merrier! (I'm one of six). The rest of us are happy with our 1.5 children, careers and McMansions.
The politics inherent in the whole mess has infiltrated every aspect of our lives. This is their response to an accessible media outlet.
See above
The Italians, Polish, Russians, Lithawanians, Germans and other legal immigrants all tried to assimilate (albeit at their own pace) into the American culture. The current wave has made it plain that they want equal status and expect to be fasttracked.
I have not found this to be fact, more an emotional response by us, "the natives". The old timers that I've interviewed and were upfront with me told me stories about their parents and grandparents who came from the old country (mostly Europe - especially eastern Europe). Many of them did expect their children to speak English and to assimilate, because they wanted a better life for the children than they had. The big difference in historical fact and the emotion of the issue is that a great many of the actual immigrants never spoke English themselves. It is very difficult for an adult to learn another language, especially if they are working long hours or multiple jobs to feed their families. Notice I haven't said illegal or undocumented... this was for a reason. I'm talking stricly about the legal, law abiding citizens who pay taxes and keep their homes clean. Unfortunately the minority - the criminals, the loud and obnoxious are the ones we point to and call "them". We must stop generalizing about people who speak another language and condemn them immediately - which is what we, collectively in northeastern Pennsylvania, have been doing. "They" are using our health care system, "they" are using our food stamps, "they" won't speak English. When Amilcar Aroyo, Publisher of the El Mensajero newspaper showed up at a rally for the Hazleton ordinance, he was told to "go back to your country". That would be... the United States. We all generalize too quickly.
The citizen's are finding ways to push back. They can call the station anonymously and voice their true feelings. They can vote with their wallet. They can reelect Lou Barletta.
Polka programs and the Don Giovanni Italian show have been on the air for years in NE PA - without incident as far as I can tell. Why is a Spanish language program more threatening. I'd think a two hour Gaelic bagpipe show would be more offensive. Let's face it, If Jim Ward were alive right now and saw $$$ in Spanish language programming, he would have been the first to jump on it. (Those Kurlancheeck Furniture spots would sound muy bueno in Spanish!)
From where I sit they are not alone. From where I sit I'm not smart enough to make a judgement call.
I am keeping my eyes, ears, and mind open...and my powder dry.
That is all I can ask of anyone, keep your eyes, ears and mind open... knowledge is power.
Mike Moran
Assistant Technical Professor
King's College
Wilkes-Barre, PA
Miguel Moran,
En espanol, por favor. No comprende english. How does it feel? 'Nuff said! Viva Barletta!
En espanol, por favor. No comprende english. How does it feel? 'Nuff said! Viva Barletta!
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crmc
Guest
Having grown up in upper Lackawanna county in the 60s, there were lots of families where the primary language was not English. Italian, Russian and other European immigrants were big parts of the color and charm in the warm memories of my youth, and with them came cool festivals,great foods, and a continuation of our work-ethic oriented culture.
But they knew that to assimilate they had to learn English. There was no " press 1 for English,2 for Italian, 3 for Russian " . They knew that to grow here and for their children to be able to grab their piece of " The American Dream" they had to learn English.And the kids all did. We grew up together and all learned the ways of the world together.
I wonder how worse off so many of these individuals would have turned out if we enabled them in a "press 2 for Italian" culture? Their own classes in the native tongue?Then why learn the language except for the minimum? Would I have known these friends the same way? If we went to the same school but they learned English like I know Spanish(" Where is the toilet?" "Please get me a cold beer") , how would we have been sharing each others colorful life experiences in NEPA? Most first generation American people I know proudly held on to their heritage and customs but fully immersed themselves into the American, NEPA version of English, and say "Ainna or no" as good as the next guy.
As to legal or not legal immigrants,I don't want to even extend the debate.LEGAL, please. And a way to get the ones here legal unless they are terrorists, etc.But border enforcement must do a better job.
Finally...as it relates to Radio, it is a Radio board,right?. What's the big deal? If a small AM can make a few bucks playing ethnic programming, being important to a community, and serving, then God Bless them. We're back to the " the public's interest, convenience, and necessity."
But they knew that to assimilate they had to learn English. There was no " press 1 for English,2 for Italian, 3 for Russian " . They knew that to grow here and for their children to be able to grab their piece of " The American Dream" they had to learn English.And the kids all did. We grew up together and all learned the ways of the world together.
I wonder how worse off so many of these individuals would have turned out if we enabled them in a "press 2 for Italian" culture? Their own classes in the native tongue?Then why learn the language except for the minimum? Would I have known these friends the same way? If we went to the same school but they learned English like I know Spanish(" Where is the toilet?" "Please get me a cold beer") , how would we have been sharing each others colorful life experiences in NEPA? Most first generation American people I know proudly held on to their heritage and customs but fully immersed themselves into the American, NEPA version of English, and say "Ainna or no" as good as the next guy.
As to legal or not legal immigrants,I don't want to even extend the debate.LEGAL, please. And a way to get the ones here legal unless they are terrorists, etc.But border enforcement must do a better job.
Finally...as it relates to Radio, it is a Radio board,right?. What's the big deal? If a small AM can make a few bucks playing ethnic programming, being important to a community, and serving, then God Bless them. We're back to the " the public's interest, convenience, and necessity."
CRMC-I agree with your points. To put it in another prospective, Mike McGlynn wrote an interesting OpEd piece in the Citizens Voice the other day about the press 1 for English. His whole gist of the column was that had there not been so many different languages in the early influx of immigrants, we would have seen the same thing. The reason why Spanish is popping up is because that's what the majority of the new immigrants speak. Thus, making it easier for vendors. I have now seen fullscreen start ups on ATM machines that include many languages including Italian.
My father was first generation American with my grandmother and grandfather coming over on the proverbial "boat" (separately at that) The children in his house were not allowed to speak the native tongue for the simple reason that they wouldn't make it in this country without speaking English.
As per a station playing Spanish programming, so what? Don't listen. If the Spanish don't get the books or go to the vendors, no one will know.
As per the Jim Ward Kurlancheek spots...they annoyed all of US (as in radio people) From their excessive volume, cheap tape that easily stretched to the fact that they sometimes wouldn't fit on a :70 cart, we all hated them. However THEY WORKED for the CLIENT. When they stopped using them, as advised by a "media professional", sales dropped. Guess what? Jim Ward was back and sales came back up.
Viva La FREE APPLE PIE! (oops that wasn't English ;D)
My father was first generation American with my grandmother and grandfather coming over on the proverbial "boat" (separately at that) The children in his house were not allowed to speak the native tongue for the simple reason that they wouldn't make it in this country without speaking English.
As per a station playing Spanish programming, so what? Don't listen. If the Spanish don't get the books or go to the vendors, no one will know.
As per the Jim Ward Kurlancheek spots...they annoyed all of US (as in radio people) From their excessive volume, cheap tape that easily stretched to the fact that they sometimes wouldn't fit on a :70 cart, we all hated them. However THEY WORKED for the CLIENT. When they stopped using them, as advised by a "media professional", sales dropped. Guess what? Jim Ward was back and sales came back up.
Viva La FREE APPLE PIE! (oops that wasn't English ;D)
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crmc
Guest
You are right. Adding...my favorite Kurlancheeks offer was the "free watermelon just for stopping in" sale.They'd probably still be in business, slugging it out with Raymour and Flannigan if Jim Ward was still with us cranking our their spots every week. And under his watch, they were the number 1 radio advertiser in NEPA. I might add, I still have a Kurlancheecks bedroom set that looks like the day we bought it( 1992).And I got the radio station partner discount which was significant!!
Mike next time I'm in the valley we gotta get together with Yongster and others for beers.
Thank you for the excellent, respectful, and articulate response.
It is my experience with Californians and Floridians who have walked this path that motivated my post. My "hometown" is addressing the problem and I sense their fears are legit. Its like a spin on the "Ugly American" - the "Ugly Immigrant".
I believe that our forefathers expected the government that they designed to uphold the rule of law - making what is happening today a moot point. However our 21st century version has abrogated their responsibility in the pursuit of votes and power. Even though they were visionaries of their times they were human too and probably felt that since the laws, constitution, etc. were written in the common language of the day it would be assumed that a language law would be unnecessary. They were aware enough not to legislate an official language since English is a very accepting language in that it will "anglicize" (sp) a foreign word when it fits. However I am also aware that I am speculating.
You are right about the "native" but is it so wrong to want to communicate in English and avoid misunderstandings?
Is it wrong to recognize and want to maintain what you believe to be a superior culture and yet invite others to join and contribute? Notice I said join and contribute, not surrender. The 1965 Cuban immigrants are a perfect example of how to do it. I got to meet some real quality people that came here at that time, worked with some and still bump into some. Funny how they now echo the same sentiments as the natives.
Imagine someone walking into our college, or our radio station and expecting to be put on the air - maybe even bumping a popular veteran out of the line up. Better yet imagine someone enrolling in our schools with NO valid ID. Being put into classes, then turning around and suing the school system because they were denied access to an education because no one spoke spanish? Ridiculous? Nope. It happened in California and was used as leverage in Florida. Taxpayers in both states foot the bill for those that pay none.
Until we can get a grip on what the majority believe is an open border invasion and provide for lawful transition into our society this problem will continue to fester. It will show up in this coming election. It seems to be showing up on the radio switchboards - which motivated my posting. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, emotions have blinded common sense.
This Board is a great read for me and I'd like to thank the membership for their tolerance in this rambling.
Like I said we need to renew our radio friendships. July is always a fun month. Do any of the guys now own a bar or should we invade Senunas? Do we need "Hello My Name Is" tags or will you and Yongstur have face recognition software?
Thank you for the excellent, respectful, and articulate response.
It is my experience with Californians and Floridians who have walked this path that motivated my post. My "hometown" is addressing the problem and I sense their fears are legit. Its like a spin on the "Ugly American" - the "Ugly Immigrant".
I believe that our forefathers expected the government that they designed to uphold the rule of law - making what is happening today a moot point. However our 21st century version has abrogated their responsibility in the pursuit of votes and power. Even though they were visionaries of their times they were human too and probably felt that since the laws, constitution, etc. were written in the common language of the day it would be assumed that a language law would be unnecessary. They were aware enough not to legislate an official language since English is a very accepting language in that it will "anglicize" (sp) a foreign word when it fits. However I am also aware that I am speculating.
You are right about the "native" but is it so wrong to want to communicate in English and avoid misunderstandings?
Is it wrong to recognize and want to maintain what you believe to be a superior culture and yet invite others to join and contribute? Notice I said join and contribute, not surrender. The 1965 Cuban immigrants are a perfect example of how to do it. I got to meet some real quality people that came here at that time, worked with some and still bump into some. Funny how they now echo the same sentiments as the natives.
Imagine someone walking into our college, or our radio station and expecting to be put on the air - maybe even bumping a popular veteran out of the line up. Better yet imagine someone enrolling in our schools with NO valid ID. Being put into classes, then turning around and suing the school system because they were denied access to an education because no one spoke spanish? Ridiculous? Nope. It happened in California and was used as leverage in Florida. Taxpayers in both states foot the bill for those that pay none.
Until we can get a grip on what the majority believe is an open border invasion and provide for lawful transition into our society this problem will continue to fester. It will show up in this coming election. It seems to be showing up on the radio switchboards - which motivated my posting. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, emotions have blinded common sense.
This Board is a great read for me and I'd like to thank the membership for their tolerance in this rambling.
Like I said we need to renew our radio friendships. July is always a fun month. Do any of the guys now own a bar or should we invade Senunas? Do we need "Hello My Name Is" tags or will you and Yongstur have face recognition software?
Forgive me if I'm getting off topic and if I'm being naive, but why is BIG government letting this happen?
Why does Lou Barletta look like a wild law man trying to keep the peace?
He is a national story because he seems to be "bucking" the system by buckling down on illegal activities.
Why does this seem absurd to some?
Why was an undocumented alien allowed to marry a local after a fight in the courts?
Are the illegal immigrants the squeaky wheel while the rest of the machine runs smoothly?
Are we wrong to feel our country is being invaded whereas immigrants used to be assimilated and share their heritage?
On another note, why has the Jena 6 become a national story? 6 guys beat someone unconscious. 1 of them was tried as an adult. Who cares if he was black? 6 guys beat someone unconscious! The "leader" should pay.
Why isn't the ACLU protecting the rights of blonde haired, blue eyed, white straight men?
And finally, pertaining to a previous post, there have been many times when someone came in to a station speaking a new language. Almost everyone has a different view of station jargon. What do you call a collection of commercials? A stop set? a cluster? What's the difference between a liner, a bumper, a promo and a sweeper? What does one thought per break mean? Does backselling an artist count as part of that thought? When does a recurrent become a gold? What is a gold? Sooner or later all the ideas get, here comes that Borg word again, assimilated and all runs smoothly. Maybe that should become our national theme, resistance is futile. Or not.
P.S. Senunas's is not even where it used to be. Think of Charlie's Market as a bar. I think Dave Scherbanko (sp?) still has a hand in it.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Why does Lou Barletta look like a wild law man trying to keep the peace?
He is a national story because he seems to be "bucking" the system by buckling down on illegal activities.
Why does this seem absurd to some?
Why was an undocumented alien allowed to marry a local after a fight in the courts?
Are the illegal immigrants the squeaky wheel while the rest of the machine runs smoothly?
Are we wrong to feel our country is being invaded whereas immigrants used to be assimilated and share their heritage?
On another note, why has the Jena 6 become a national story? 6 guys beat someone unconscious. 1 of them was tried as an adult. Who cares if he was black? 6 guys beat someone unconscious! The "leader" should pay.
Why isn't the ACLU protecting the rights of blonde haired, blue eyed, white straight men?
And finally, pertaining to a previous post, there have been many times when someone came in to a station speaking a new language. Almost everyone has a different view of station jargon. What do you call a collection of commercials? A stop set? a cluster? What's the difference between a liner, a bumper, a promo and a sweeper? What does one thought per break mean? Does backselling an artist count as part of that thought? When does a recurrent become a gold? What is a gold? Sooner or later all the ideas get, here comes that Borg word again, assimilated and all runs smoothly. Maybe that should become our national theme, resistance is futile. Or not.
P.S. Senunas's is not even where it used to be. Think of Charlie's Market as a bar. I think Dave Scherbanko (sp?) still has a hand in it.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Mike Moran makes excellent points. People in Germany speak mainly german because the people are mostly german. People in Spain speak mostly spanish because the people are mostly spanish. People in France speak mostly french because the people are mostly french. The people in the U.S. are mostly, Italian, Irish, Slavic,
Russian, Spanish, English, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Mexican, Hawaiian, Cherokee, German, French, Polish, so it's perfectly obvious that they should speak their common langugage...English! What??????? The borders of the U.S. are a federal issue. The change needs to come there. Because the feds..and remember..
that's all of us..have fallen down on the job, we now have a problem that's huge. As a people we have not made our voices known. It's our fault, since we elect the senators, congressmen and president. We elect the same do-nothing people year after year. If we want the borders sealed, then we need to elect people who will do what we want. If we do not elect these people, then we cause our own troubles. Case in point..Rick Santorum was very openly a "close the borders" candidate, he was soundly defeated in PA by Casey who very much the opposite. People in PA had a choice, they chose the candidate who was not interested in taking a hard line about closing the borders. I'm not supporting either man here, just pointing out that there were two choices..and close the borders lost. And, BTW..Santorum lost BIG here in NEPA, where supposedly everyone wants the borders closed.
Russian, Spanish, English, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Mexican, Hawaiian, Cherokee, German, French, Polish, so it's perfectly obvious that they should speak their common langugage...English! What??????? The borders of the U.S. are a federal issue. The change needs to come there. Because the feds..and remember..
that's all of us..have fallen down on the job, we now have a problem that's huge. As a people we have not made our voices known. It's our fault, since we elect the senators, congressmen and president. We elect the same do-nothing people year after year. If we want the borders sealed, then we need to elect people who will do what we want. If we do not elect these people, then we cause our own troubles. Case in point..Rick Santorum was very openly a "close the borders" candidate, he was soundly defeated in PA by Casey who very much the opposite. People in PA had a choice, they chose the candidate who was not interested in taking a hard line about closing the borders. I'm not supporting either man here, just pointing out that there were two choices..and close the borders lost. And, BTW..Santorum lost BIG here in NEPA, where supposedly everyone wants the borders closed.
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