I strolled over to the LA board to drop a good note for Indie 1031 and saw the "thousands" of posts indicating the speculation that Indie might become Jose, spanish counterpart of the Jack's and Bob's of the radio world. That's all fine and good I guess. I'm sure that the flesh eating leaches will be all over me as soon as I post this, but really, Indie is a great radio station. I realize that money is really where it's at, but why would Entravision have built Indie to what it is to flush it now? Indie does about as well in the books as most Entravision stations. In fact, (insert laughter here), I was hoping Entravision would flip one of their poorly performing Dallas properties like KZMP for example, to an Indie/Alternative format. I think it would do as well and likely better than El Gato. I know that won't happen but the whole point of this board is speculation and bitter missives.
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> I strolled over to the LA board to drop a good note for
> Indie 1031 and saw the "thousands" of posts indicating the
> speculation that Indie might become Jose, spanish
> counterpart of the Jack's and Bob's of the radio world.
> That's all fine and good I guess.
Entravision already knows that the 103.1 signals are a bad choice for Spanish. this rumor is just that... speculation.
> I'm sure that the flesh
> eating leaches will be all over me as soon as I post this,
> but really, Indie is a great radio station. I realize that
> money is really where it's at, but why would Entravision
> have built Indie to what it is to flush it now?
Entravision did not build Indie. Entravision discovered that the two 103.1 signals did not work to reinforce one of their company's Spanish stations. So they did a JSA (joint sales agreement) with Clear Channel to market for them a new English format on the station.
In short order, the FCC decided JSA's were counted for determination of any company's total station count in a market. This change, with Indie's two signals, put Clear over the cap and they returned the stations to Entravision.
At present, the signals produce less than a share point of listening, and are a tough sell with such low ratings. when part of Clear's sales portfolio, the numbers were additive and complementary and could be sold in combos with ohter stations.
Any guess at the future is speculation. the fact is, at the $85 million paid for the 103.1 signals would require a cash flow of maybe $5 million to make this a good investment. As it is, the combo is not even billing this amount, so the use of that money is not giving proper returns on the investment.
> Indie does
> about as well in the books as most Entravision stations.
No, it does not. even rimshot KLYY has more than double the numbers, and KSSE has about triple the figures.
> In
> fact, (insert laughter here), I was hoping Entravision would
> flip one of their poorly performing Dallas properties like
> KZMP for example, to an Indie/Alternative format.
No chance. the first chooice for Entravision is Spanish, followed by Hispanic formats in English, like hip hop. The Dallas signals are low rated because the signals are rimshots. They are rimshots in English, also.
Indie consists of two wretched class A signals at the fringes of the market. It has very limited coverage.
> I think it
> would do as well and likely better than El Gato. I know that
> won't happen but the whole point of this board is
> speculation and bitter missives.
True. I thought you would like a bit of the perspective on how Indie started.
> Indie 1031 and saw the "thousands" of posts indicating the
> speculation that Indie might become Jose, spanish
> counterpart of the Jack's and Bob's of the radio world.
> That's all fine and good I guess.
Entravision already knows that the 103.1 signals are a bad choice for Spanish. this rumor is just that... speculation.
> I'm sure that the flesh
> eating leaches will be all over me as soon as I post this,
> but really, Indie is a great radio station. I realize that
> money is really where it's at, but why would Entravision
> have built Indie to what it is to flush it now?
Entravision did not build Indie. Entravision discovered that the two 103.1 signals did not work to reinforce one of their company's Spanish stations. So they did a JSA (joint sales agreement) with Clear Channel to market for them a new English format on the station.
In short order, the FCC decided JSA's were counted for determination of any company's total station count in a market. This change, with Indie's two signals, put Clear over the cap and they returned the stations to Entravision.
At present, the signals produce less than a share point of listening, and are a tough sell with such low ratings. when part of Clear's sales portfolio, the numbers were additive and complementary and could be sold in combos with ohter stations.
Any guess at the future is speculation. the fact is, at the $85 million paid for the 103.1 signals would require a cash flow of maybe $5 million to make this a good investment. As it is, the combo is not even billing this amount, so the use of that money is not giving proper returns on the investment.
> Indie does
> about as well in the books as most Entravision stations.
No, it does not. even rimshot KLYY has more than double the numbers, and KSSE has about triple the figures.
> In
> fact, (insert laughter here), I was hoping Entravision would
> flip one of their poorly performing Dallas properties like
> KZMP for example, to an Indie/Alternative format.
No chance. the first chooice for Entravision is Spanish, followed by Hispanic formats in English, like hip hop. The Dallas signals are low rated because the signals are rimshots. They are rimshots in English, also.
Indie consists of two wretched class A signals at the fringes of the market. It has very limited coverage.
> I think it
> would do as well and likely better than El Gato. I know that
> won't happen but the whole point of this board is
> speculation and bitter missives.
True. I thought you would like a bit of the perspective on how Indie started.
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NeonKnight
Guest
> I strolled over to the LA board to drop a good note for
> Indie 1031 and saw the "thousands" of posts indicating the
> speculation that Indie might become Jose, spanish
> counterpart of the Jack's and Bob's of the radio world.
> That's all fine and good I guess. I'm sure that the flesh
> eating leaches will be all over me as soon as I post this,
> but really, Indie is a great radio station. I realize that
> money is really where it's at, but why would Entravision
> have built Indie to what it is to flush it now? Indie does
> about as well in the books as most Entravision stations. In
> fact, (insert laughter here), I was hoping Entravision would
> flip one of their poorly performing Dallas properties like
> KZMP for example, to an Indie/Alternative format. I think it
> would do as well and likely better than El Gato. I know that
> won't happen but the whole point of this board is
> speculation and bitter missives.
>
Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol style than playing more of the conceited Vincente Fernandez.
> Indie 1031 and saw the "thousands" of posts indicating the
> speculation that Indie might become Jose, spanish
> counterpart of the Jack's and Bob's of the radio world.
> That's all fine and good I guess. I'm sure that the flesh
> eating leaches will be all over me as soon as I post this,
> but really, Indie is a great radio station. I realize that
> money is really where it's at, but why would Entravision
> have built Indie to what it is to flush it now? Indie does
> about as well in the books as most Entravision stations. In
> fact, (insert laughter here), I was hoping Entravision would
> flip one of their poorly performing Dallas properties like
> KZMP for example, to an Indie/Alternative format. I think it
> would do as well and likely better than El Gato. I know that
> won't happen but the whole point of this board is
> speculation and bitter missives.
>
Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol style than playing more of the conceited Vincente Fernandez.
>
> Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
> happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol
> style than playing more of the conceited Vincente Fernandez.
>
Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already very broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the US.
Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and such.
> Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
> happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol
> style than playing more of the conceited Vincente Fernandez.
>
Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already very broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the US.
Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and such.
I still think Clear Channel made the agreement to kill off the dance station KDL, just as when they originlly bought the station to kill off The Groove, before they sold it to Entravision. Even though the ratings were small, a little bit adds up to help make KISS a top billing station and also knock off a small chunk of KROQ to lower their ratings.
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KMRichards
Guest
> I still think Clear Channel made the agreement to kill off
> the dance station KDL
It doesn't matter what you think, since (a) it was not proved at the time and (b) the JSA didn't last as long as CC wanted, thanks to the FCC.
Why are you dredging up that minor bit of history?<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> the dance station KDL
It doesn't matter what you think, since (a) it was not proved at the time and (b) the JSA didn't last as long as CC wanted, thanks to the FCC.
Why are you dredging up that minor bit of history?<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
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NeonKnight
Guest
> >
> > Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
> > happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol
>
> > style than playing more of the conceited Vincente
> Fernandez.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en
> español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already very
> broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few
> exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and
> half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the US.
>
>
> Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te
> Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and
> such.
>
That's pretty sad if true. Are you saying that Mexicano's don't appreciate electric guitars or that the radio stations just aren't interested in pushing that music ? I've limited my Spanish radio to K-LOVE because I've grown tired of rancheras and banda and Chicano rap. Almost every weekend here in the 'hood there's a house party playing one of the three aforementioned styles. Let's hear more Mana, El Tri, etc.........
> > Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
> > happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en Espanol
>
> > style than playing more of the conceited Vincente
> Fernandez.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en
> español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already very
> broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few
> exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and
> half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the US.
>
>
> Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te
> Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and
> such.
>
That's pretty sad if true. Are you saying that Mexicano's don't appreciate electric guitars or that the radio stations just aren't interested in pushing that music ? I've limited my Spanish radio to K-LOVE because I've grown tired of rancheras and banda and Chicano rap. Almost every weekend here in the 'hood there's a house party playing one of the three aforementioned styles. Let's hear more Mana, El Tri, etc.........
G
gerald159
Guest
Here's what makes me nervous ... they have started doing little sounders between songs that say Indie 103-1 but they say the numbers in Spanish!
Like they're laying the groundwork for a change. Or perhaps they are just trying to be "cool" and make people think they are like 91X or The Lounge and come out of Mexico.
Like they're laying the groundwork for a change. Or perhaps they are just trying to be "cool" and make people think they are like 91X or The Lounge and come out of Mexico.
> > >
> > > Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
>
> > > happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en
> Espanol
> >
> > > style than playing more of the conceited Vincente
> > Fernandez.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en
> > español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already
> very
> > broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few
> > exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and
> > half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the
> US.
> >
> >
> > Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te
> > Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and
> > such.
> >
>
> That's pretty sad if true. Are you saying that Mexicano's
> don't appreciate electric guitars or that the radio stations
> just aren't interested in pushing that music ?
Many stations have tired rick en español formats, all over Latin America. None have worked except one in Argentina. Elsewhere, they bomb. Most rock en español is played on stations that do english langauge rock 80%, with a flavor of Spanish stuff. It's been tried, and failed every time.
> I've limited
> my Spanish radio to K-LOVE because I've grown tired of
> rancheras and banda and Chicano rap. Almost every weekend
> here in the 'hood there's a house party playing one of the
> three aforementioned styles. Let's hear more Mana, El Tri,
> etc.........
Mana is really, today, a ballad AC artist... rockers do not particularly respond. Part of the problem is limited production of music.
> > > Having a "Jose" is an interesting concept, but if it did
>
> > > happen, I would rather it lean towards the Rock en
> Espanol
> >
> > > style than playing more of the conceited Vincente
> > Fernandez.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is no audience anywhere for rock en
> > español north of Argentina. The Spanish ACs are already
> very
> > broad, going back to the 70's, and there are, with few
> > exceptions, no pop type stations that are successful and
> > half of the ones that did exist went away in 2005 in the
> US.
> >
> >
> > Any broad non-current Spanish language format in te
> > Southwest is going to be a mix of regional, ballads and
> > such.
> >
>
> That's pretty sad if true. Are you saying that Mexicano's
> don't appreciate electric guitars or that the radio stations
> just aren't interested in pushing that music ?
Many stations have tired rick en español formats, all over Latin America. None have worked except one in Argentina. Elsewhere, they bomb. Most rock en español is played on stations that do english langauge rock 80%, with a flavor of Spanish stuff. It's been tried, and failed every time.
> I've limited
> my Spanish radio to K-LOVE because I've grown tired of
> rancheras and banda and Chicano rap. Almost every weekend
> here in the 'hood there's a house party playing one of the
> three aforementioned styles. Let's hear more Mana, El Tri,
> etc.........
Mana is really, today, a ballad AC artist... rockers do not particularly respond. Part of the problem is limited production of music.
K
KMRichards
Guest
> Is it against the "moderators rules" to bring up a bit of
> minor history?
No, but it was discussed to death at the time and your bringing it up again as a speculative matter isn't worth the database space.
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> minor history?
No, but it was discussed to death at the time and your bringing it up again as a speculative matter isn't worth the database space.
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Maybe it's just smart programming to recognize that 40% of the market is spanish speaking, some of whom like modern rock music.
> Here's what makes me nervous ... they have started doing
> little sounders between songs that say Indie 103-1 but they
> say the numbers in Spanish!
>
> Like they're laying the groundwork for a change. Or perhaps
> they are just trying to be "cool" and make people think they
> are like 91X or The Lounge and come out of Mexico.
>
> Here's what makes me nervous ... they have started doing
> little sounders between songs that say Indie 103-1 but they
> say the numbers in Spanish!
>
> Like they're laying the groundwork for a change. Or perhaps
> they are just trying to be "cool" and make people think they
> are like 91X or The Lounge and come out of Mexico.
>
> Maybe it's just smart programming to recognize that 40% of
> the market is spanish speaking, some of whom like modern
> rock music.
No, only 40% of the market is Hispanic. About 28% to 30% is Spanish speaking.
There is not a single place in Latin America where modern rock works at all. So any Hispanic interest would be among totally assimilated second or third generation Hispanics.
> the market is spanish speaking, some of whom like modern
> rock music.
No, only 40% of the market is Hispanic. About 28% to 30% is Spanish speaking.
There is not a single place in Latin America where modern rock works at all. So any Hispanic interest would be among totally assimilated second or third generation Hispanics.
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