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Interesting WFAN article
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I don't know why 92.3 is always the one that is subject of a WFAN-FM discussion. 102.7 is actually doing worse, currently, 6+. It seems to me that they would blow up Fresh before Now.
CBS-FM....I don't know. I just doubt it, right now. They are second overall in NYC, and by far the best performer 6+ of the NYC CBS cluster. Keep in mind that WODS had exceptionally high 55+ numbers for a classic hits station (that was my understanding) and was like 8th or 9th in the market, losing to another classic hits station. It wasn't an ideal situation. Would CBS subject themselves to all of the negativity they did in 2005 once again?
CBS-FM....I don't know. I just doubt it, right now. They are second overall in NYC, and by far the best performer 6+ of the NYC CBS cluster. Keep in mind that WODS had exceptionally high 55+ numbers for a classic hits station (that was my understanding) and was like 8th or 9th in the market, losing to another classic hits station. It wasn't an ideal situation. Would CBS subject themselves to all of the negativity they did in 2005 once again?
carolinaradio said:
WFAN currently broadcasts on 92.3 HD-3 so that's probably part of it. 102.7 is one of several stations that target female listeners, the others being PLJ, KTU and Lite-FM.
I agree the move has to come sooner rather than later, especially with both baseball teams contracts expiring after this season and WEPN now on 98.7 FM.
The Spy said:
All valid points. However, CBS-FM is on 101.1 FM which is short spaced to 101.1 Philadelphia, creating reception issues in Central NJ. 101.1 FM NY wouldn't be a good spot for a simulcast of WFAN or WCBS-AM. For that reason, I don't see CBS blowing up CBS-FM.
I think the suits at CBS Radio learned their lesson after the events of 6/3/05. You don't blow up the station that has been consistently #2 in the ratings. The idea of a WFAN AM and FM does make sense with ESPN radio moving to 98.7 FM. Which is weaker 92.3 or 102.7? We will just have to wait and see.
Bruce
Bruce
As CBS-FM's demos get higher, CBS can keep adding more 80s and even eliminate the 60s entirely (both inevitable) if need be to remain viable, as they've learned. I don't see them blowing it up, either.
Fresh may bill well like WPLJ who has a history of not doing well in the ratings, but being a good biller. Is Fresh more after Lite or PLJ these days? Lately, they sound more like PLJ. IIRC, when it launched, the idea was to be a younger version of Lite, but still be considered AC.
Fresh may bill well like WPLJ who has a history of not doing well in the ratings, but being a good biller. Is Fresh more after Lite or PLJ these days? Lately, they sound more like PLJ. IIRC, when it launched, the idea was to be a younger version of Lite, but still be considered AC.
Here, in the Tampa Market, it was thought that 970WFLA would transition to FM on the 97.9 Full Market signal.
Instead, about a month ago, they started a simulcast on a translator that only serves the City of Tampa. There is another one planned for Pinellas (St. Petersburg) County.
(As a by-product, if 970WFLA continues to be the station for the Lightning, the Play-by-Play will penetrate the Tampa Bay Times Forum for those attending the game)
The one thing I don't hear mentioned is the possibility of using a translator, or two, just for the 5 boroughs.
In this way, they don't have to do away with any of the Empire formats.
I guess, since they are only leasing the frequency, they still fall under the Market Cap. It means Disney would be able to build out more as well since they don't own 98.7. I see a can of worms growing.
With the short-spacing bug starting to hit outside NY area, the translators are staying within a specific target area.
I think Miami started this translator usage "fad".
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
Instead, about a month ago, they started a simulcast on a translator that only serves the City of Tampa. There is another one planned for Pinellas (St. Petersburg) County.
(As a by-product, if 970WFLA continues to be the station for the Lightning, the Play-by-Play will penetrate the Tampa Bay Times Forum for those attending the game)
The one thing I don't hear mentioned is the possibility of using a translator, or two, just for the 5 boroughs.
In this way, they don't have to do away with any of the Empire formats.
I guess, since they are only leasing the frequency, they still fall under the Market Cap. It means Disney would be able to build out more as well since they don't own 98.7. I see a can of worms growing.
With the short-spacing bug starting to hit outside NY area, the translators are staying within a specific target area.
I think Miami started this translator usage "fad".
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
I don't know if there are any open allotments among the FM band in New York that would be desirable enough for an AM station to go all-in for a translator. I guess it's a Florida thing...
Meanwhile, interesting comment from the unnamed "source". He says that even if the Yankees go to WFAN-FM, the Mets might remain on WFAN-AM, albeit with a new (this is also according to the unnamed "source") mostly-syndicated lineup via CBS Sports Radio. You think the Mets would settle for that, knowing that there would be two FM sports stations in the market, should WFAN go to 102.7 FM?
And this wouldn't be the first time WFAN would be heard on 102.7...
http://sportsrantz.com/media/2012/07/07/wfan-1027-fm/
Meanwhile, interesting comment from the unnamed "source". He says that even if the Yankees go to WFAN-FM, the Mets might remain on WFAN-AM, albeit with a new (this is also according to the unnamed "source") mostly-syndicated lineup via CBS Sports Radio. You think the Mets would settle for that, knowing that there would be two FM sports stations in the market, should WFAN go to 102.7 FM?
And this wouldn't be the first time WFAN would be heard on 102.7...
http://sportsrantz.com/media/2012/07/07/wfan-1027-fm/
Here's the kicker:DToTheJ said:
These are not new allotments, these are religious broadcasters that have the license. Just as the Emmis/Disney deal, the Church retains the license but leases the frequency to the commercial broadcaster that makes a donation (pays them a fee) better than they could make programming it themselves.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
Let's say I am the Person in Charge of making the Decision of which of CBS's Three FM's I Flip Formats on...I decide to leave CBS-FM As Is CBS-FM has the Ratings of my other 2 Stations Combined.
Now Let's Look at CHR...Let's assume my listeners of WXRK (In the Least Loyal of Demographics) gets evenly split among Z-100,KTU and BLS only Z-100 is in a Position to move into #2 Possibly Dropping CBS-FM to #3 (Worst Case).That's a Chance I am willing to take.
What chance am I not willing to take? Flipping FRESH and Giving Clear Channel LITE FM a SOLID #1 in the Market.
I Predict those in charge at CBS would also choose to BLOCK LITE FM and Drop CHR than to let CC have an 11 or 12 Share and have CBS-FM is 2nd 5-6 Points Behind Lite FM when it is easier to slip to 3rd and be 7/10ths of a share behind Z-100 then to be 6 Share Behind a 12 Share #1 Station.I'd also be willing to bet it is an easier sell for the FRESH Format than the CHR.
Now Let's Look at CHR...Let's assume my listeners of WXRK (In the Least Loyal of Demographics) gets evenly split among Z-100,KTU and BLS only Z-100 is in a Position to move into #2 Possibly Dropping CBS-FM to #3 (Worst Case).That's a Chance I am willing to take.
What chance am I not willing to take? Flipping FRESH and Giving Clear Channel LITE FM a SOLID #1 in the Market.
I Predict those in charge at CBS would also choose to BLOCK LITE FM and Drop CHR than to let CC have an 11 or 12 Share and have CBS-FM is 2nd 5-6 Points Behind Lite FM when it is easier to slip to 3rd and be 7/10ths of a share behind Z-100 then to be 6 Share Behind a 12 Share #1 Station.I'd also be willing to bet it is an easier sell for the FRESH Format than the CHR.
I question the need for four sports stations in NYC. Will there be enough listeners for:
660 AM - CBS Sports
1050 AM - ESPN Desportes
98.7 FM - ESPN New York
102.7 FM - WFAN
Bruce
660 AM - CBS Sports
1050 AM - ESPN Desportes
98.7 FM - ESPN New York
102.7 FM - WFAN
Bruce
radioguy39nj said:The Spy said:
All valid points. However, CBS-FM is on 101.1 FM which is short spaced to 101.1 Philadelphia, creating reception issues in Central NJ. 101.1 FM NY wouldn't be a good spot for a simulcast of WFAN or WCBS-AM. For that reason, I don't see CBS blowing up CBS-FM.
I am certainly not saying they would blow up CBS-FM, but to your point they arguably could put WFAN on 102.7 and move Fresh to 101.
Just Me said:
You sir see the big picture. +1
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