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Is Lite 102.9 really Lite?

atlantaboy said:
carolinaradio said:
Could Lite102.9 be in danger of a flip? Look at WMYI in Greenville/Spartanburg! Ditched AC for Hot AC and they just had a good book.

WMYI/Greenville definitely isn't Hot AC - they spin their #1 song 19 times per week

Maybe you mean "Fresh AC"? Not sure...
The playlist is Hot AC, but they are really conservative with their selection of currents. Hopefully they'll start playing more soon...

As for spins, WMYI just flipped Friday, so they haven't had a full week to collect play numbers.
 
carolinaradio said:
atlantaboy said:
carolinaradio said:
Could Lite102.9 be in danger of a flip? Look at WMYI in Greenville/Spartanburg! Ditched AC for Hot AC and they just had a good book.

WMYI/Greenville definitely isn't Hot AC - they spin their #1 song 19 times per week

Maybe you mean "Fresh AC"? Not sure...
The playlist is Hot AC, but they are really conservative with their selection of currents. Hopefully they'll start playing more soon...

As for spins, WMYI just flipped Friday, so they haven't had a full week to collect play numbers.

I don't know, man - everything on their playlist is on the mainstream AC chart, and most of the "currents" are pretty old (Secrets, Need You Now, Firework, Breakeven, Haven't Met You Yet, etc.) - I don't see many HAC currents either

It's pretty similar to most major-market AC playlists - I think they were probably outdated before now, and they're just catching up to 2011 mainstream AC

Our AC station just "updated" their sound last month to "80s/90s/today", but they're still definitely AC (not HAC), cause the spin numbers are low and they only play very few select currents
 
atlantaboy said:
I don't know, man - everything on their playlist is on the mainstream AC chart, and most of the "currents" are pretty old (Secrets, Need You Now, Firework, Breakeven, Haven't Met You Yet, etc.) - I don't see many HAC currents either

It's pretty similar to most major-market AC playlists - I think they were probably outdated before now, and they're just catching up to 2011 mainstream AC

Our AC station just "updated" their sound last month to "80s/90s/today", but they're still definitely AC (not HAC), cause the spin numbers are low and they only play very few select currents
Yeah, you may be right - it's just that the gold material is Hot AC'ish - Justin Timberlake, Kings of Leon, Vertical Horizon, R.E.M., Lisa Loeb, Dave Matthews Band, Killers, Finger Eleven, Florence & The Machine, All American Rejects, and lots of Alanis Morissette, P!nk, Nickelback, Green Day, U2, etc. songs that most AC's don't play. It's kinda like they are programming off of the AC current chart, but the rest of the stuff is pretty Hot AC'ish. Not much 80s (if considered AC). Since the station's new, I'd wait until Friday or Saturday to decide on the average spins for the heavily rotated songs - I suspect that number will be around 30-40 for their most heavily rotated songs. They have around 10 or 11 songs in the heaviest rotation.

Maybe it's "bright" AC...I have no idea, but I don't consider it mainstream. They are filling a void in the market, and it's pretty good.
 
carolinaradio said:
atlantaboy said:
I don't know, man - everything on their playlist is on the mainstream AC chart, and most of the "currents" are pretty old (Secrets, Need You Now, Firework, Breakeven, Haven't Met You Yet, etc.) - I don't see many HAC currents either

It's pretty similar to most major-market AC playlists - I think they were probably outdated before now, and they're just catching up to 2011 mainstream AC

Our AC station just "updated" their sound last month to "80s/90s/today", but they're still definitely AC (not HAC), cause the spin numbers are low and they only play very few select currents
Yeah, you may be right - it's just that the gold material is Hot AC'ish - Justin Timberlake, Kings of Leon, Vertical Horizon, R.E.M., Lisa Loeb, Dave Matthews Band, Killers, Finger Eleven, Florence & The Machine, All American Rejects, and lots of Alanis Morissette, P!nk, Nickelback, Green Day, U2, etc. songs that most AC's don't play. It's kinda like they are programming off of the AC current chart, but the rest of the stuff is pretty Hot AC'ish. Not much 80s (if considered AC). Since the station's new, I'd wait until Friday or Saturday to decide on the average spins for the heavily rotated songs - I suspect that number will be around 30-40 for their most heavily rotated songs. They have around 10 or 11 songs in the heaviest rotation.

Maybe it's "bright" AC...I have no idea, but I don't consider it mainstream. They are filling a void in the market, and it's pretty good.

Wow at the Killers, Finger Eleven, and Florence! I guess it's Fresh AC (similar to those CBS stations) - Cox has some recurrent-based HACs also that report to the HAC chart (Richmond, Tulsa, and a couple others), but it seems like unless a station like this is owned by Cox, it reports to the AC panel
 
atlantaboy said:
Wow at the Killers, Finger Eleven, and Florence! I guess it's Fresh AC (similar to those CBS stations) - Cox has some recurrent-based HACs also that report to the HAC chart (Richmond, Tulsa, and a couple others), but it seems like unless a station like this is owned by Cox, it reports to the AC panel
Yeah, I'm thinking CC might not have wanted to due a full-fledged Hot AC, given the format's track record in the southeast outside of some larger cities, so they came up with this. It looks a lot like the Fresh stations (not the one in St. Louis, really). I can't believe a market like Charlotte can't even support the Hot AC format.
 
carolinaradio said:
atlantaboy said:
Wow at the Killers, Finger Eleven, and Florence! I guess it's Fresh AC (similar to those CBS stations) - Cox has some recurrent-based HACs also that report to the HAC chart (Richmond, Tulsa, and a couple others), but it seems like unless a station like this is owned by Cox, it reports to the AC panel
Yeah, I'm thinking CC might not have wanted to due a full-fledged Hot AC, given the format's track record in the southeast outside of some larger cities, so they came up with this. It looks a lot like the Fresh stations (not the one in St. Louis, really). I can't believe a market like Charlotte can't even support the Hot AC format.

Completely agree with this head-on - if Hot AC didn't work in Charlotte, it's not gonna work in Greenville (which loses even more 25-54 females to country radio than Charlotte does) - but "Fresh AC", or "Recurrent-based Hot AC" seems like a great idea, especially since it was a proven boost for WLNK in last month's ratings

Radio listeners in very conservative areas are usually pretty resistent to new music (which is why I think The Link decided to flip, and why similar flips have occurred in Richmond [Hot AC to recurrent based HAC], Raleigh [HAC to AC], and Greensboro [Hot AC to Adult Hits]) - so I think what WMYI has done is given its listeners a more exciting, updated sound, while not leaving them listening to brand new music and going "WTF is this?"
 
atlantaboy said:
Completely agree with this head-on - if Hot AC didn't work in Charlotte, it's not gonna work in Greenville (which loses even more 25-54 females to country radio than Charlotte does) - but "Fresh AC", or "Recurrent-based Hot AC" seems like a great idea, especially since it was a proven boost for WLNK in last month's ratings

Radio listeners in very conservative areas are usually pretty resistent to new music (which is why I think The Link decided to flip, and why similar flips have occurred in Richmond [Hot AC to recurrent based HAC], Raleigh [HAC to AC], and Greensboro [Hot AC to Adult Hits]) - so I think what WMYI has done is given its listeners a more exciting, updated sound, while not leaving them listening to brand new music and going "WTF is this?"
Exactly...very good view. I've noticed 2 or 3 currents and a couple of recurrents an hour from the AC chart on WMYI. Only about 1 or 2 from the 80s. It looks pretty similar to WWFS in NYC. Will be interesting to see how they do adds, and how liberal/conservative they are. If I'm doing "fresh" AC in this market, Keep Your Head Up, Edge Of Glory, and Good Life would be some pretty good tracks on the AC chart to consider, as they aren't really shocking and fit the sound.

This is a pretty good station - very upbeat and I like probably 80% of what they're playing. Since true Hot AC wouldn't work well here, this is a pretty good compromise.
 
carolinaradio said:
I take that back....they may worry about overlap between a "fresh new" Lite 102.9 (if done like WMYI) and Channel 96.1. The Hot AC format has overlap with CHR (Cee Lo Green, Bruno Mars, Kesha, Katy Perry, Gaga, etc).
Plus whether you believe WLNK is hot AC or not, they are playing more music.
 
I can't believe Clear Channel would be worrying about an AC overlapping with a Rhythmic-leaning CHR - Katy Perry into Nicki Minaj is gonna solicit a completely different demographic than Katy Perry into Chicago, and I really don't think there's much overlap in those demos
 
I think the speculation is due to the new morning show that they will probably have in December, and whether they will be on 96.1 or 102.9.
 
atlantaboy said:
I can't believe Clear Channel would be worrying about an AC overlapping with a Rhythmic-leaning CHR - Katy Perry into Nicki Minaj is gonna solicit a completely different demographic than Katy Perry into Chicago, and I really don't think there's much overlap in those demos
Yeah, I guess you're right - CC has Hot AC's and CHR's in the same market - LA, Philadelphia, Detroit, Dayton immediately come to mind, heck, even Chattanooga, so I guess that isn't really a problem....

I wonder if Hot AC would have done better in Charlotte if it had been JUST Hot AC. We can't forget that for a lot of the time that The Link was HAC, it was mostly "lifestyle talk" ::) ....around the time they switched to their current format, they cut back on the talking. Maybe just coincidental, who knows. BTW, I do like WMYI in Greenville more - they are slightly more modern, actually...
 
carolinaradio said:
atlantaboy said:
I can't believe Clear Channel would be worrying about an AC overlapping with a Rhythmic-leaning CHR - Katy Perry into Nicki Minaj is gonna solicit a completely different demographic than Katy Perry into Chicago, and I really don't think there's much overlap in those demos
Yeah, I guess you're right - CC has Hot AC's and CHR's in the same market - LA, Philadelphia, Detroit, Dayton immediately come to mind, heck, even Chattanooga, so I guess that isn't really a problem....

I wonder if Hot AC would have done better in Charlotte if it had been JUST Hot AC. We can't forget that for a lot of the time that The Link was HAC, it was mostly "lifestyle talk" ::) ....around the time they switched to their current format, they cut back on the talking. Maybe just coincidental, who knows. BTW, I do like WMYI in Greenville more - they are slightly more modern, actually...
WLNK, by whatever call letters it was known, has played hot AC when they played music since the early 90s. I do know they were more mainstream and maybe even soft AC when they first returned to the old WBT-FM letters, but at some point they started calling themselves "Sunny" and the volume went up again. For a while they were actually "modern adult contemporary" and then they went more in a mainstream direction, meaning hot AC, before that "lifestyle talk" phase.
 
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