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Is the "Light" about to go dark?

> > Whatever happens, it would be very weird not having GL,
> CBS
> > hasn't made a single change to their daytime schedule
> since
> > "Capitol" was cancelled in favor of "The Bold and the
> > Beautiful."
> > >
> >
>
> From what I found in IMDB Capitol's cancellation in 1987 was
> the most recent change to soaps on CBS, but there were
> changes in game shows in the 10-11 AM block until that time
> was given back to local stations when Family Feud was
> cancelled in 1993. But no changes to CBS daytime in 12 years
> is still a long run.

I forgot about all the game show changes from 10-11 am. WBTV didn't air the "Family Feud Challenge". I could watch it on WSPA out of Spartanburg, SC. WBTV did air the $10,000 Pyramid and then if I'm not mistaken, "Designing Women" at 10 before "The Price Is Right" when it aired at 10:30, but they didn't air what CBS had at 10:30 ("Wheel of Fortune" at one time) because of "Top O' The Day" lasting for an hour.
>
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> Although CBS promptly announced it was renewing the show
> for two more years, it has not stopped rumors that CBS
> is going to drop the show and pay off P&G. Barbara Bloom,
> head of CBS daytime, insists she's under no pressure to
> cancel the show; and Mickey Dwyer-Dobbin, who supervises
> the show for P&G, says that all that's needed is for its
> present audience to watch more often.

Its very doubtful that Guiding Light will be canceled until at least 2007. The Network indeed renewed the show. I do predict that if ratings do go down much more (and I doubt they will really go down) that the network would probably make "Bold & Beautiful" an hour and make "Guiding Light" 30 minutes. When I was working for a CBS Affiliate back in the mid 90's I had heard numerous rumors they were swapping time slots and lengths with B & B and GL...GL would move to 12:30...Y & R 1 PM...ATWT 2 PM...B & B 3 PM. But this never happened as we know. Guiding Light has always in my years of following and being in the business had mediocre ratings in most markets and low ratings in others.

Part of it is that GL was scheduled at 3 PM Eatersn and 2 PM in otrher time zones. ABC's General Hospital dominates the ratings for soaps and Guiding Light just can't go well against it. NBC had this issue with Another World. As NBC gave time back to affiliates many of the affiliates would move AW into time slots where other stations had weaker shows.

IN New York Channel 2 realized years ago that they could not get ratings with GL up against General Hospital and the shows that WNBC 4 was putting in there. Channel 2 did not have a strong syndicated show to put in the 10 AM slot so they moved GL there. In New York GL is up against a okay rated talk show on WABC TV (Tony Danza...and Wayne Brady prior to the past fall) and mediocre rated Ellen Degeneres on WNBC TV. Fox 5 has Texas Justice with okay but nothing great ratings. WWOR UPN 9 jas a low rated show called "Pat Croce" as WPIX WB 11 has Maury Povich which gets above average ratings. So Guiding Light would be in the top 3 in that time slot. "Doctor Phil" at 3 PM has huge numbers for Channel 2.

> That, in a nutshell, is the article. I can't imagine that
> GL does that great in the morning (10 AM) markets; morning
> is traditionally not a good time to air a soap, and I know
> that Tony Danza wins that time slot with ease in New York.
> Second, I haven't been able to stomach GL since they started
> the San Christobel storyline a few years back. I wonder if
> other viewers feel the same way.

Tony Danza does not do so well. Its a very mediocre show. Its an improvement over Wayne Brady but it is no ratings winner. If it does beat Guiding Light it does not by much.

> I'm not sure moving GL to another network is the answer.
> I don't think ABC has room for it, and on NBC it's liable
> to fall under the influence of James Reilly, and we'll get
> two-headed babies and things of that sort. Nor do I think
> the Fox o&os want to unload their innumerable courtroom
> shows.

I agree. ABC had gone through 3 very low rated soaps that were preempted in several markets like Pittsburgh..while run on overnights in other markets. In fact even WABC TV moved Port Charles to Overnights in the Summer of 2003 knowing ABC was ending the show. WHile Guiding Light would do a bit better it would not do well enough to justify affiliates adding it. Many ABC affiliates were glad to have the 12:30 slot back for themselves. NBC affiliates are also glad to have their time back. Fox stations sure as heck do not want soaps. If they did they would have had them by now.

> I'm afraid a part of the daytime scene since 1937,
> when GL started on radio, is about to come to an end,
> regardless of what CBS and P&G say. And I don't think any other
> entertainment show will ever match its longevity.

No its not about to come to an end YET...Maybe in 2007 but even than I have my doubts. At the very worst it may initially be pulled back to 30 minutes.
 
> Mark, you have been obsessed with KOVR not running GL for
> months now.

You're wrong. I have not been obsessed for a few months...more like 10 years.

> Practically every post you make on the
> California TV board is about either that or the fact that
> CBS hasn't eliminated the early prime schedule (from
> Sinclair's ownership) yet.

Not necessarily. I have discussed quite a few other issues on this and other boards.

> Now that obsession is apparently going to dominate your
> posts here as well.

No..in fact a post above does not even mention KOVR or WNEM

> Must you find every excuse to obsess about KOVR?

Its not hard to look for them with that station.

> (To those who think I am being harsh, I invite you to go
> read Mark's posts on the California board.)

And I counted about 16 posts on this issue since December. Its been almost 9 months...That averages to about a post a month...not so many relatively.

In fact I have far more posts on WCBS FM New York than KOVR..in fact many people have several dozen posts on that issue...By the way CBS Management is brain dead in New York. All 3 of their FM stations are now doing lowsy. Though this is not the New York radio board...people should know that KOVR is owned by the same brilliant people that own CBS FM New York.

In case you do not know (and I am sure you do) CBS took a perfectly good radio station billing 40 million a year and watered it down for several years making life a living hell for its employees. The jocks at CBS FM were miserable in their past few years at that station. Listeners complained the station was not sounding so good anymore...BUT THEY TOLERATED IT...and the station still pulled high ratings...and what did they do??? SHUT IT DOWN FOR JACKASS RADIO!!!

CBS FM is not a bad station....ITS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD... Yes I could program that station better than that...so could anyone on this board...

This is the only time I will mention this issue here...I did so in order for people to indeed realize CBS has gone downhill the way they are running the company. Clear Channel is kicking their Butts on the radio in most of the markets they compete. CBS has gone downhill since the days of Lawrence Tisch.

And one other thing the independent stations (UPN stations actually in most cases but with two hours of UPN a day the schedules are really independent) CBS owns have gone downhill. They are filled with infomercials and low rate first run syndication. The cartoons are gone and so are many of the classic sitcoms and movies. But many stations have moved this way but CBS leads the way. they were one of the first companies to make their UPN independents low budget operations.

Over the air TV has gone downhill in general.
 
KOVR

> > Mark, you have been obsessed with KOVR not running GL for
> > months now.
>
> You're wrong. I have not been obsessed for a few
> months...more like 10 years.

At least you admit it.

> > Practically every post you make on the
> > California TV board is about either that or the fact that
> > CBS hasn't eliminated the early prime schedule (from
> > Sinclair's ownership) yet.
>
> Not necessarily. I have discussed quite a few other issues
> on this and other boards.

I didn't ask about the National TV board or the radio boards. I said that on the California TV board you have a reputation for being obsessed with KOVR. And, judging from your admission, I am correct.

> > Now that obsession is apparently going to dominate your
> > posts here as well.
>
> No..in fact a post above does not even mention KOVR or WNEM
>
> > Must you find every excuse to obsess about KOVR?
>
> Its not hard to look for them with that station.
>
> > (To those who think I am being harsh, I invite you to go
> > read Mark's posts on the California board.)
>
> And I counted about 16 posts on this issue since December.
> Its been almost 9 months...That averages to about a post a
> month...not so many relatively.

It's the image you have created, Mark. Anyone who reads the California board and not the various radio boards you also post on would think KOVR is all you think about.

And using your post count masks that the last two threads on KOVR on the California board were <u>started by you</u> and had much the same content as your previous posts on the subject. All you seem to talk about there is "when will KOVR carry Guiding Light" or "when will KOVR stop running prime-time early", and so that is what you <u>seem</u> to talk about all the time.

It isn't just me who notices (as anyone who reads the KOVR threads can see, the other regulars have called you out).

I give up. You don't get what I'm saying.
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> > > In San Antonio, KSAT airs All My Children
> > > at 11:00 A.M. (which other ABC affiliates
> > > air at Noon) and then the Noon news is now
> > > an hour long show
> >
> > WFAA does the same thing.
>
> Did we ever come to consensus a few months back
> as to whether ABC feeds "AMC" twice (12-1 and
> 1-2pm ET) so that CT stations can do the above
> without resorting to a one-day delay?
>
All My Children is on one-day delay on those stations
like WFAA and KSAT that show it at 11 AM (CT). There
is no excuse for ABC not doing an alternate feed and
giving the whole country the same episode, the same day.
 
> >
> > What do you think WFMY would do?
>
> Either expand the news or put another Andy Griffith on at
> 12:30, which wouldn't be a bad decision considering how well
> I hear it does at 5:30.
>
And if I know WFMY, a second helping of Andy makes perfect sense.
 
No kidding, it is still on the air!

> I'm afraid a part of the daytime scene since 1937,
> when GL started on radio, is about to come to an end,
> regardless
> of what CBS and P&G say. And I don't think any other
> entertainment
> show will ever match its longevity.


Amazing, I thought "The Guiding Light" left the air more than 20 years ago like "Love of Live" and "Search for Tomorrow" and others.

Maybe now, I will start watching before it really goes off :)
 
Re: Is the

> > Mark, you have been obsessed with KOVR not running GL for
> > months now.
>
> You're wrong. I have not been obsessed for a few
> months...more like 10 years.
>
> > Practically every post you make on the
> > California TV board is about either that or the fact that
> > CBS hasn't eliminated the early prime schedule (from
> > Sinclair's ownership) yet.
>
> Not necessarily. I have discussed quite a few other issues
> on this and other boards.
>
> > Now that obsession is apparently going to dominate your
> > posts here as well.
>
> No..in fact a post above does not even mention KOVR or WNEM
>
> > Must you find every excuse to obsess about KOVR?
>
> Its not hard to look for them with that station.
>
> > (To those who think I am being harsh, I invite you to go
> > read Mark's posts on the California board.)
>
> And I counted about 16 posts on this issue since December.
> Its been almost 9 months...That averages to about a post a
> month...not so many relatively.
>
> In fact I have far more posts on WCBS FM New York than
> KOVR..in fact many people have several dozen posts on that
> issue...By the way CBS Management is brain dead in New York.
> All 3 of their FM stations are now doing lowsy. Though this
> is not the New York radio board...people should know that
> KOVR is owned by the same brilliant people that own CBS FM
> New York.
>

Lowsy?!



> In case you do not know (and I am sure you do) CBS took a
> perfectly good radio station billing 40 million a year and
> watered it down for several years making life a living hell
> for its employees. The jocks at CBS FM were miserable in
> their past few years at that station. Listeners complained
> the station was not sounding so good anymore...BUT THEY
> TOLERATED IT...and the station still pulled high
> ratings...and what did they do??? SHUT IT DOWN FOR JACKASS
> RADIO!!!
>
> CBS FM is not a bad station....ITS THE WORST THING I HAVE
> EVER HEARD... Yes I could program that station better than
> that...so could anyone on this board...
>
> This is the only time I will mention this issue here...I did
> so in order for people to indeed realize CBS has gone
> downhill the way they are running the company. Clear Channel
> is kicking their Butts on the radio in most of the markets
> they compete. CBS has gone downhill since the days of
> Lawrence Tisch.
>
> And one other thing the independent stations (UPN stations
> actually in most cases but with two hours of UPN a day the
> schedules are really independent) CBS owns have gone
> downhill. They are filled with infomercials and low rate
> first run syndication. The cartoons are gone and so are many
> of the classic sitcoms and movies. But many stations have
> moved this way but CBS leads the way. they were one of the
> first companies to make their UPN independents low budget
> operations.
>
> Over the air TV has gone downhill in general.
>
 
Re: No kidding, it is still on the air!

> > I'm afraid a part of the daytime scene since 1937,
> > when GL started on radio, is about to come to an end,
> > regardless
> > of what CBS and P&G say. And I don't think any other
> > entertainment
> > show will ever match its longevity.
>
>
> Amazing, I thought "The Guiding Light" left the air more
> than 20 years ago like "Love of Live" and "Search for
> Tomorrow" and others.
>
> Maybe now, I will start watching before it really goes off
> :)
>
Let me reiterate from my original posting on this subject.
Guiding Light has NOT been canceled. It has been renewed
for two more years with the possibility that CBS COULD cancel
the show and pay off Procter & Gamble for the remainder of the
two-year renewal. CBS's daytime president says the network is
NOT pressuring her to cancel the show. However, it does a
poor job of attracting 18-49-year-olds and no longer generates
profits for P&G (I didn't mention that some crew members are
going to be laid off when the show moves to its new studio).

I hope it goes to 2007, to make an even 70 years on radio and
television combined. But the prognosis for that happening
doesn't seem very good.
 
> > How I think they'd do it in the Eastern Time Zone:
> >
> > 11 AM Price Is Right
> > 12 N (Local)
> > 1 PM Young And The Restless
> > 2 PM Bold And The Beautiful
> > 3 PM As The World Turns (gets the alternate 10 AM feed)
>
>
> In San Antonio,KSAT airs All My Children at 11:00
> A.M.(which other ABC affiliates air at Noon) and then the
> Noon news is now an hour long show after showing
> infomercials after Port Charles was cancelled. I wonder when
> and if Guiding Light gets cancelled will KENS-5 at Noon go
> to an hour. I also wonder how many cities in the U.S.
> carries 2 stations with Noon news for an hour.
>
>The only city I know of with two hour-long newscasts at noon
is Louisville: WHAS/11 (ABC) and WLKY/32 (CBS). WHAS used to
pre-empt Port Charles, but that is no longer a problem. WLKY
runs Access Hollywood at 1 PM, and delays Y&R to 4. Given that
Y&R usually beats Oprah in Louisville, I wonder what WLKY could
come up with as a lead-in for its 5 PM news if CBS does overhaul
its daytime schedule.

Don't KNBC/4 and KABC/7 Los Angeles both do an hour at 11 AM (PT)?
>
>
>
 
> Don't KNBC/4 and KABC/7 Los Angeles both do an hour at 11 AM
> (PT)?

Yes, they do, Bob. KCBS/2 does a half-hour at 11am as well (Y&R @ 11:30, B&B @ 12:30, AWTW @ 1:00, GL @ 2:00).<P ID="signature">______________


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Re: No kidding, it is still on the air!

> Let me reiterate from my original posting on this subject.
> Guiding Light has NOT been canceled. It has been renewed
> for two more years with the possibility that CBS COULD
> cancel
> the show and pay off Procter & Gamble for the remainder of
> the
> two-year renewal. CBS's daytime president says the network
> is
> NOT pressuring her to cancel the show. However, it does a
> poor job of attracting 18-49-year-olds and no longer
> generates
> profits for P&G (I didn't mention that some crew members are
>
> going to be laid off when the show moves to its new studio).
>
>
> I hope it goes to 2007, to make an even 70 years on radio
> and
> television combined. But the prognosis for that happening
> doesn't seem very good.
>
True, but in all fairness, CBS imposed cutbacks on all of the dramas.
 
Re: No kidding, it is still on the air!

> True, but in all fairness, CBS imposed cutbacks on all of
> the dramas.
>
How did these cutbacks affect the soap my mother watches, The Young and the Restless?

ixnay
 
Re: No kidding, it is still on the air!

> > True, but in all fairness, CBS imposed cutbacks on all of
> > the dramas.
> >
> How did these cutbacks affect the soap my mother watches,
> The Young and the Restless?
>
> ixnay


Sadly, ixnay, the cast of that venerable soap has become "The Old and the Docile".
 
> > Did we ever come to consensus a few months back
> > as to whether ABC feeds "AMC" twice (12-1 and
> > 1-2pm ET) so that CT stations can do the above
> > without resorting to a one-day delay?
> >
> All My Children is on one-day delay on those stations
> like WFAA and KSAT that show it at 11 AM (CT). There
> is no excuse for ABC not doing an alternate feed and
> giving the whole country the same episode, the same day.
>

Doesn't SoapNet replay AMC at night? In that case, people who can get SoapNet can watch the show before it airs locally the next day.
 
> Doesn't SoapNet replay AMC at night? In that case, people
> who can get SoapNet can watch the show before it airs
> locally the next day.

Yes, twice (at 8:00pm and 1:00am ET) and a repeat of the entire week's episodes Saturday night/Sunday morning, 1:00-6:00am ET ... and a repeat of the repeats Sunday, 1:00-6:00pm ET.
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Re: No kidding, it is still on the air!

> > True, but in all fairness, CBS imposed cutbacks on all of
> > the dramas.
> >
> How did these cutbacks affect the soap my mother watches,
> The Young and the Restless?
>
> ixnay
>
Think it led to the dismissal of John Enos (Bobby) from the show.
 
>
>
> Here is what I would think might happen(Central Time Zone)
> 10 AM Price Is Right
> 11 AM Young And The Restless
> Noon Local News
> 1 PM Bold And The Beautiful
> 2 PM As The World Turns
>
The future of ATWT is also somewhat iffy. CBS is apparently
taking over creative control of both P&G shows, in an effort,
according to Barbara Bloom, head of CBS daytime, "to save
GL and ATWT."

But assuming the above schedule becomes the new CBS daytime
lineup, I wonder how it impacts Talk Of The Town, a local
talk show on WTVF/5 Nashville that airs 12:30-1:30 (CT) and
throws two soaps out of pattern: Bold And The Beautiful airs
there at 1:30 (CT), As The World Turns at 3 (CT). The
current WTVF schedule is:

10 AM Price Is Right
11 AM NewsChannel 5 At 11 AM
11:30 Young And The Restless
12:30 Talk Of The Town
1:30 Bold And The Beautiful
2 PM Guiding Light
3 PM As The World Turns

And TOOT is so popular WTVF's management is going to be
VERY reluctant to move it.

Any ideas?
 
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