It All Sounds The Same

[WPHA]

At WIHS (my current employer), the Assistant Music Director is diligently working on filling-out our library of "Classic CCM"! I must say that in the past year or so, the station's library has increased quite a bit! Listeners are writing, telling us how blessed they are by the "new" music... some of which isn't exactly "new"... but it's new to the station! He, also, is LAMENTING the way most Christian stations are utterly ignoring the WONDERFUL music from the 80's and 90's!

Now, when I was the Music Director of WFIF for 17 years, I had a lot of leeway. I played quite a bit of Light A/C - Inspo (CCM) from the 80's, 90's, and currents. It always was interesting for me to get listener comments about the songs from the 1980's, that they had NEVER HEARD BEFORE, and wanted very much to purchase!

*HELLO* record companies?? Are you THERE? PEOPLE STILL WANT THIS MUSIC!!!

This music IS TIMELESS! Thankfully, a fair amount of it (FINALLY!!) is becoming available for purchase ONLINE! I must say that I *LOATHE* iTunes for a MULTITUDE of reasons... at least Amazon is making "normal" MP3 files available.

 

[xmusicmatt]

This music IS TIMELESS! Thankfully, a fair amount of it (FINALLY!!) is becoming available for purchase ONLINE! I must say that I *LOATHE* iTunes for a MULTITUDE of reasons... at least Amazon is making "normal" MP3 files available.

iTunes quality is better than the "mp3s" from Amazon iTunes is in 256 kbps AAC (and iTunes no longer uses DRM so you can convert it to whatever format you want, burn to CD etc.)

 

[WPHA]

This music IS TIMELESS! Thankfully, a fair amount of it (FINALLY!!) is becoming available for purchase ONLINE! I must say that I *LOATHE* iTunes for a MULTITUDE of reasons... at least Amazon is making "normal" MP3 files available.

iTunes quality is better than the "mp3s" from Amazon iTunes is in 256 kbps AAC (and iTunes no longer uses DRM so you can convert it to whatever format you want, burn to CD etc.)

The problem I have seen with that dreadfully awful iTunes, is that they force you to install their hideous, highly INVASIVE software. Unless they've changed things, so that ANY BROWSER can log into their site and purchase music, there is NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH I would *EVER* put that crapware on my computer! >:[

(Personal opinion, not necessarily that of my employer.)

 

[R.D.P.]

My latest version of Apple came with iTunes already installed.

Had to set up an account to get everything installed in this computer.

Won't be downloading music from there.

Still plan on buying my music on CD's, till they go out of style.

R.D.P. <><

 

[nitnitr]

I've heard Streets of Gold when they were on KSUD in Memphis in the early 2000's, and I didn't know if they were still on. It looks like it would make sense to carry it on K-LOVE, or get Larry Wayne to do something similar. I haven't heard Wayback. Are either of these available online?

We air both shows on LMTTRR at http://leadmetotherock.com, but look at the respective sites for other stations that air them. Streets of Gold is at http://streetsofgoldradio.com and Wayback at http://s2sradio.com.

I don't think KLOVE is airing Streets of Gold, but Larry and others from EMF, or former EMF employees, are still doing the show for syndication.

What I like about Larry is that he always sounds happy behind the mic. Not something everybody has been able to duplicate, including me.

 

[xmusicmatt]

I don't think KLOVE is airing Streets of Gold, but Larry and others from EMF, or former EMF employees, are still doing the show for syndication.

SOG does not really fit what KLove does.

 

[anotherguyTN]

Thanks for all the info. I wish Streets of Gold actually had podcasts online to download like Full Circle does. Instead they just have playlists of past shows, and you either have to listen on Live 365 or catch it on an online station live.

 

[nitnitr]

SOG is online on Live365, 24/7. Though it is on a crummy 64k mono stream, it is there.

Been trying to get Jack, the producer of SOG, to get off Live365 for sound reasons (sound engineer by nature); the music is still there if you are an aficionado of oldies of the Christian genre.

 

[anotherguyTN]

SOG is online on Live365, 24/7. Though it is on a crummy 64k mono stream, it is there.

Been trying to get Jack, the producer of SOG, to get off Live365 for sound reasons (sound engineer by nature); the music is still there if you are an aficionado of oldies of the Christian genre.

I'll try Live 365, but I wish you could convince them to do podcasts of each week's shows. Thanks!

 

[xmusicmatt]

I'll try Live 365, but I wish you could convince them to do podcasts of each week's shows. Thanks!

My guess is they don't do pod casts because most of the music they play is copyrighted and they would have to pay extensive royalties (way higher than they are paying for streaming on live365) to the PROs (ASCAP,BMI etc..Sound Exchange) to podcast copyrighted music.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Explain the details of that one for me, please.

Are you saying that religious music is subject to a different set of copyright laws, and a different set of royalty schemes?

 

[WPHA]

Explain the details of that one for me, please.

Are you saying that religious music is subject to a different set of copyright laws, and a different set of royalty schemes?

For *ANY* music played to ANYONE but oneself, fees must be PAID to the MAFIAA. Regardless of genre'. The *ONLY* exception is truly Public Domain, OR where the copyright holder (usually an independent writer, who hasn't signed all of their rights over to another) has given specific, written permission for it's use w/o compensation.

 

[radioboy]

GRC,

I think the poster was trying to say that there are additional fees for podcasts, not the genre of music.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

I think the poster was trying to say that there are additional fees for podcasts, not the genre of music.

Good catch!

How is the royalty payment situation handled for Podcasts? Is there a "per download" fee? Is there a clearing house that handles this with reasonably simple paperwork, or does a Podcaster have to file a separate payment report for each indiviudal song in a Podcast? Who sets the fee? Is there a law or agreement in place... or does each song command a fee that is unique.

Does the fee go to the composer or to the artist or to both?

I just know that while I was editing and uploading worship podcasts I always edited out all music just to be safe.

 

[xmusicmatt]

Good catch!

How is the royalty payment situation handled for Podcasts? Is there a "per download" fee? Is there a clearing house that handles this with reasonably simple paperwork, or does a Podcaster have to file a separate payment report for each indiviudal song in a Podcast? Who sets the fee? Is there a law or agreement in place... or does each song command a fee that is unique.

Does the fee go to the composer or to the artist or to both?

I just know that while I was editing and uploading worship podcasts I always edited out all music just to be safe.

It's a per download per song type thing I think similar to what Apple, etc. have with their music stores. I don't know the specifics but it's considerably more $$$ than a live web stream.

 

[anotherguyTN]

I guess I like podcasts better for two reasons. One is that it can be a download of the actual show that aired vs. random music being streamed, and the other is that I can download it at home and take it with me. I know you can stream from a smart phone, but the one I have is for my work, and they don't allow us to stream due to running up large data bills. But if the expense of podcasts vs. streaming is what is keeping SOG from streaming then I can understand why they don't.

 

[anotherguyTN]

OOPS... I meant to say that I can understand why SOG might not do podcasts now. Sorry for the mixup. :

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

We all have our unique view of the world so here is one of my views:

When I hear the term "podcast" I think of spoken word events rather than musical. Blogs are WRITTEN word events. I guess the royalties problem is why there are so many SPOKEN word podcasts and so few music based podcasts.

 

[MikefromDelaware]

Goat Rodeo Cowboy, as always, I enjoy your unique view of the radio landscape. Good point about the podcasts. Maybe that too is partially why some lesser performing FM stations are going to spoken word programming. No ASCAP fees.

I've got a question. In church, IF your church is ONLY using Public Domain hymns rather than newer hymns or praise songs that have copyrights, does that church still have to pay ASCAP fees?

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

In church, IF your church is ONLY using Public Domain hymns rather than newer hymns or praise songs that have copyrights, does that church still have to pay ASCAP fees?

If everything is indeed Public Domain, then no. The problem is... you would need for the person in charge of recording, editing and distribution of podcasts to be a copyright lawyer. Now and then there is going to be even in a old mainstream denomination hymnal a song that was written by an Englishman 300 years ago, but the published version is a slight variation by a modern arranger copyrighted 12 years ago. Even though the church sings only old public domain hymns, every now and then a soloist is going to spice up the salad with a mild-mannered contemporary song that slips through the monitoring mechanism. And then last December my pastor wanted a track played as part of the ending of his sermon from a CD by a college classmate of his wife. The sermon was incomplete without the music/song track. I had no idea where t even track down the copyright issue. The sermon podcast for that week was never published on the website.

Churches using contemporary music subscribe to a licensing arrangement by CCLI, but it apparently covers the CCM genre of music and still leaves you hanging out to dry on the choir anthems used by the churches that use more traditional styles.