Its a Rap ( 12+ Ratings 4 Market No. 11 )

[rapking]

WJMN- Number One with a BANG !
WEEI - Up.
WRKO- Down.
WAAF - Two signals is flat .
Awful Mike- Down .
WFNX - Down.
ESPN - Shows up ( just a little )
WBCN - Down .

 

[OlderRadioGuy]

What I find interesting is that WAAF with two signals and improved metro coverage has gained nothing; WKLB with its improved signal and metro coverage has gained nothing; and WCRB with a compromised signal that suffers in the southern part of the metro has lost nothing. Supports what I've long held, that within reason, "It's all about the music", or more precisely, the whole programming package.

 

[Doma]

WKLB just came off it's best ratings book ever and is top 10 across the board. Don't be fooled by 12 plus numbers. They are where they want to be 25-54, especially with women.

 

[JustinT]

What I find interesting is that WAAF with two signals and improved metro coverage has gained nothing; WKLB with its improved signal and metro coverage has gained nothing; and WCRB with a compromised signal that suffers in the southern part of the metro has lost nothing. Supports what I've long held, that within reason, "It's all about the music", or more precisely, the whole programming package.

I know for a fact that the WKLB breakdown for this past Spring showed a huge increase in Norfolk County numbers, perhaps there was some loss elsewhere but the signal has changed things.

Not sure it's really about having great programming, either: props to Ramiro and Pebbles in mornings, but the rest of WJMN is really nothing to write home about. So why are they a landslide #1? Because there's nowhere else to go.

I would be interested to know where the loss at WBCN came from... I'll take a guess to say it was Opie & Anthony, though I had heard that Boston was the show's best market - even better than New York. Wonder if we'll see T&R in morning drive in the not-too-distant future?

 

[BoscoGoldBear]

Prediction for full Fall book (based on the first month's ratings):

1. Jam'n (an overwhelming rating pushing a 9)
2. WBZ (more than 1.5 behind, but good)
3. WEEI (more people going to Big Show; 1+ rating behind 'BZ)
4. Magic (we're in the 4s, just below boxcar levels)
5. Oldies (Christmas music helps less)
6. Kiss (#1 rock station by default, even though it's only rock heavy)
7. WKLB
8. WCRB (we're in the 3s)
9. WROR
10. WRKO (ratings drop despite red hot Sox action; has Howie come back in time to at least keep talker in top 10?)
11. WTKK (Severin was responsible for the other bite out of WRKO's hide; we're starting in the 2s now)
12. WZLX
13. River
14. WAAFs
15. Mix
16. WBOS (from here on we're in the 1s)
17. WPLM-FM
18. Mike
19. 'BCN, even with awesome 9-0 Pats; time to flip to gangsta rap and give Pats to 'ZLX, which play Ozzy, Van Halen and AC/DC already (Pats' stadium music)
20. WNNW (Lawrence Spanish station)
21. WXLO
22. WJIB (projected to head the sub-1s, sorry, JIBguy)
23. WILD and WFNX projected to be tied with out-of-market stations

 

[BRNout]

JAMN is ripe for the picking. Or, at least nibbling - by an urban contemporary. One that doesn't bore us with a bunch of syndicated talk like the dreadful Wendy Williams (one of Hartford's WPHH's downfalls).

 

[starchild]

We're actually market #10 now.

 

[chrish]

Rapking....wrong as usual .....Boston is now back to # 10. wfnx 12 plus up to 1.1
and way up in the numbers that really count and up for the morning show.

Can't you get it through your thick skull 12+ numbers mean nothing to advertisers.

 

[mistermicrophone]

Prediction for full Fall book (based on the first month's ratings):


6. Kiss (#1 rock station by default, even though it's only rock heavy)

WHAT????? Please, explian how KISS is a rock station or even rock heavy. Go look at a CHR chart, look at their playlist and then PLEASE tell us how you come to this conclusion. You say the same thing all the time on the CHR-Pop board, too.

 

[BoscoGoldBear]

This is based on the last several times that I listened to Kiss 108, plus the fact that they must separate themselves from Jam'n due to the fact that Kiss' and Jam'n's audiences are completely separate demographics. Granted, this was some time ago (we don't have a radio at the place where I work since Mumbles won't allow it). As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible), since dance music is an automatic for rap stations. Yes, I read the national charts, but let's not forget how vastly different Boston is from the rest of America (i.e. not even American IMHO).

That having been said, here are the songs stamped as rock by yours truly (I'm very fast to judge based on previous songs by these artists):

28. Who Knew - Pink (basing my rock brand on her screaming rock hit "U + Ur Hand" and her turn doing "I Hate Myself For Loving You" - a rock tune countrified by Faith Hill this year - on NBC's SNF last year)
20. Misery Business - Paramore (legit - on both 'BCN and 'FNX)
18. Me And You - Fall Out Boy (a 'BCN/'FNX favorite band)
16. Dance Floor Anthem - Good Charlotte (see above two)
14. Paralyzer - Finger Eleven (the #2 metal, i.e. active rock, hit for '07 behind Three Days Grace's "Pain", and top 5 grunge and mainstream rock for '07 as well)
13. Over You - Chris Daughtry (kudos to 'AAF for not actually playing anyone from AI - thumbs down to co-owned 'HJY for constantly playing Daughtry in '07)
11. Rockstar - Nickelback (one of last year's biggest mainstream rock and heavy metal hits)
6. Wake Up Call - Maroon 5 (BTW, 'BOS counts as a rock station, and Maroon 5 is a 'BOS favorite)
2. Bubbly - Colbie Caillat (#1 hit in 'BOS's format)

1. Apologize - Timbaland (non-rock, along with 20 other songs - Kiss has more than one Britney tune - isn't she washed up? Also Alicia Keys - #3 - is far ahead at Kiss vs. the national norm - #16 pop)

OK, that's 9 of 30, not exactly rock heavy. Again my basis is on Kiss always playing rock hits like "Summer Of '69" by Bryan Adams (yes, anyone ever on 'BCN counts - I am a tough judge) and soundalike songs "Black Hole Sun" (Soundgarden), "Under The Bridge" (Red Hot Chili Pepers) and "Lightning Crashes" (Live) during daytime hours when I'm driving instead of - say - "Word Up" (Cameo; same era as Bryan Adams, and unlike Adams, a true SJW-era Kiss classic), "Sandstorm" (Darude) and "One More Time" (Daft Punk) - at least pick up where Star left off.

Once 'BCN (or Mix) drops rock (1.3 rating) for rap (a piece of Jam'n's 8.7) on New Year's Day, maybe the airwaves will sound better (I'm not holding my breath though).

 

[mistermicrophone]

This is based on the last several times that I listened to Kiss 108, plus the fact that they must separate themselves from Jam'n due to the fact that Kiss' and Jam'n's audiences are completely separate demographics. Granted, this was some time ago (we don't have a radio at the place where I work since Mumbles won't allow it). As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible), since dance music is an automatic for rap stations. Yes, I read the national charts, but let's not forget how vastly different Boston is from the rest of America (i.e. not even American IMHO).

That having been said, here are the songs stamped as rock by yours truly (I'm very fast to judge based on previous songs by these artists):

28. Who Knew - Pink (basing my rock brand on her screaming rock hit "U + Ur Hand" and her turn doing "I Hate Myself For Loving You" - a rock tune countrified by Faith Hill this year - on NBC's SNF last year)
20. Misery Business - Paramore (legit - on both 'BCN and 'FNX)
18. Me And You - Fall Out Boy (a 'BCN/'FNX favorite band)
16. Dance Floor Anthem - Good Charlotte (see above two)
14. Paralyzer - Finger Eleven (the #2 metal, i.e. active rock, hit for '07 behind Three Days Grace's "Pain", and top 5 grunge and mainstream rock for '07 as well)
13. Over You - Chris Daughtry (kudos to 'AAF for not actually playing anyone from AI - thumbs down to co-owned 'HJY for constantly playing Daughtry in '07)
11. Rockstar - Nickelback (one of last year's biggest mainstream rock and heavy metal hits)
6. Wake Up Call - Maroon 5 (BTW, 'BOS counts as a rock station, and Maroon 5 is a 'BOS favorite)
2. Bubbly - Colbie Caillat (#1 hit in 'BOS's format)

1. Apologize - Timbaland (non-rock, along with 20 other songs - Kiss has more than one Britney tune - isn't she washed up? Also Alicia Keys - #3 - is far ahead at Kiss vs. the national norm - #16 pop)

OK, that's 9 of 30, not exactly rock heavy. Again my basis is on Kiss always playing rock hits like "Summer Of '69" by Bryan Adams (yes, anyone ever on 'BCN counts - I am a tough judge) and soundalike songs "Black Hole Sun" (Soundgarden), "Under The Bridge" (Red Hot Chili Pepers) and "Lightning Crashes" (Live) during daytime hours when I'm driving instead of - say - "Word Up" (Cameo; same era as Bryan Adams, and unlike Adams, a true SJW-era Kiss classic), "Sandstorm" (Darude) and "One More Time" (Daft Punk) - at least pick up where Star left off.

Once 'BCN (or Mix) drops rock (1.3 rating) for rap (a piece of Jam'n's 8.7) on New Year's Day, maybe the airwaves will sound better (I'm not holding my breath though).

I think this quote says enough "As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible), since dance music is an automatic for rap stations. "

I will let your clulessness speak for itself...

 

[MikeyBos]

Seriously, you have a habit of making these sort of absurd projections going back to when you posted as BoscoBear or whatever your screenname was. Making projections of Arbitron ratings for radio stations using an entirely linear method is absolutely preposterous. The bottom line is that, on the whole, future Arbitron ratings are truly unpredictable. There is no statistical model that would fit radio station ratings.

Any sort of attempt at predicting ratings would need to be done by a group of relatively objective people who would examine changes happening at each station, recent trends in the Arbitrons over the past couple years as well as cultural trends in Boston and nationally...which essentially proves my point that predicting future Arbitrons with any degree of real accuracy is nearly impossible.

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Prediction for full Fall book (based on the first month's ratings):

1. Jam'n (an overwhelming rating pushing a 9)
2. WBZ (more than 1.5 behind, but good)
3. WEEI (more people going to Big Show; 1+ rating behind 'BZ)
4. Magic (we're in the 4s, just below boxcar levels)
5. Oldies (Christmas music helps less)
6. Kiss (#1 rock station by default, even though it's only rock heavy)
7. WKLB
8. WCRB (we're in the 3s)
9. WROR
10. WRKO (ratings drop despite red hot Sox action; has Howie come back in time to at least keep talker in top 10?)
11. WTKK (Severin was responsible for the other bite out of WRKO's hide; we're starting in the 2s now)
12. WZLX
13. River
14. WAAFs
15. Mix
16. WBOS (from here on we're in the 1s)
17. WPLM-FM
18. Mike
19. 'BCN, even with awesome 9-0 Pats; time to flip to gangsta rap and give Pats to 'ZLX, which play Ozzy, Van Halen and AC/DC already (Pats' stadium music)
20. WNNW (Lawrence Spanish station)
21. WXLO
22. WJIB (projected to head the sub-1s, sorry, JIBguy)
23. WILD and WFNX projected to be tied with out-of-market stations

 

[Eli Polonsky]

As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible)...

So, does that mean that before rap began in the late '70s/early '80s, that all music was rock, by your definition???

And, what about music from before rock (and roll) began in the early 1950s'? There was music before both rap and rock existed...

 

[ciao99]

This is based on the last several times that I listened to Kiss 108, plus the fact that they must separate themselves from Jam'n due to the fact that Kiss' and Jam'n's audiences are completely separate demographics. Granted, this was some time ago (we don't have a radio at the place where I work since Mumbles won't allow it). As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible), since dance music is an automatic for rap stations. Yes, I read the national charts, but let's not forget how vastly different Boston is from the rest of America (i.e. not even American IMHO).

That having been said, here are the songs stamped as rock by yours truly (I'm very fast to judge based on previous songs by these artists):

28. Who Knew - Pink (basing my rock brand on her screaming rock hit "U + Ur Hand" and her turn doing "I Hate Myself For Loving You" - a rock tune countrified by Faith Hill this year - on NBC's SNF last year)
20. Misery Business - Paramore (legit - on both 'BCN and 'FNX)
18. Me And You - Fall Out Boy (a 'BCN/'FNX favorite band)
16. Dance Floor Anthem - Good Charlotte (see above two)
14. Paralyzer - Finger Eleven (the #2 metal, i.e. active rock, hit for '07 behind Three Days Grace's "Pain", and top 5 grunge and mainstream rock for '07 as well)
13. Over You - Chris Daughtry (kudos to 'AAF for not actually playing anyone from AI - thumbs down to co-owned 'HJY for constantly playing Daughtry in '07)
11. Rockstar - Nickelback (one of last year's biggest mainstream rock and heavy metal hits)
6. Wake Up Call - Maroon 5 (BTW, 'BOS counts as a rock station, and Maroon 5 is a 'BOS favorite)
2. Bubbly - Colbie Caillat (#1 hit in 'BOS's format)

1. Apologize - Timbaland (non-rock, along with 20 other songs - Kiss has more than one Britney tune - isn't she washed up? Also Alicia Keys - #3 - is far ahead at Kiss vs. the national norm - #16 pop)

OK, that's 9 of 30, not exactly rock heavy. Again my basis is on Kiss always playing rock hits like "Summer Of '69" by Bryan Adams (yes, anyone ever on 'BCN counts - I am a tough judge) and soundalike songs "Black Hole Sun" (Soundgarden), "Under The Bridge" (Red Hot Chili Pepers) and "Lightning Crashes" (Live) during daytime hours when I'm driving instead of - say - "Word Up" (Cameo; same era as Bryan Adams, and unlike Adams, a true SJW-era Kiss classic), "Sandstorm" (Darude) and "One More Time" (Daft Punk) - at least pick up where Star left off.

Once 'BCN (or Mix) drops rock (1.3 rating) for rap (a piece of Jam'n's 8.7) on New Year's Day, maybe the airwaves will sound better (I'm not holding my breath though).

Wow, what a limited view of the world: rap and rock. Did it ever occur to you that black audiences also listen to gospel, R&B, reggae. Even News?

And there's more than rock. There's country, classical, etc.

As for dance, most rap stations DO NOT play dance. Maybe you don't know much about dance music so you assume rap music is dance, simply because it has a beat.

 

[BoscoGoldBear]

As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible)...

So, does that mean that before rap began in the late '70s/early '80s, that all music was rock, by your definition???

And, what about music from before rock (and roll) began in the early 1950s'? There was music before both rap and rock existed...

(sigh) I was talking about recent years, NOT all time!

Looking at the Kiss top 30 (at least last week's version), there are ACTUALLY more Jam'n songs than rock songs. 6 of Kiss' top 10 either are on Jam'n or are high on Jam'n's national hip hop format playlist. There are 11 total hip hop tunes on Kiss vs. 9 rock tunes - not included are Britney, one of the Justin tunes (the other is big on hip hop and #2 R&B nationally), Fergie, Sean Kingston and that Kat Deluna song which my nieces like. Is Kiss back (musically) to Sunny Joe levels? Of course not - but at least it sounds like it's far away from John Ivey's rock-heavy era (where Def Leppard and Bon Jovi tunes somehow passed for Kiss classics - unlike songs from the Sunny Joe era, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard may have a beat, but you sure as hell can't dance to them).

BTW, what ever happened to Rose Royce's Saturday 12 Noon playing of "Wishing On A Star"? ???

 

[MikeyBos]

They canned it after Kid David was shown the door and Tyler became MD.

BTW, what ever happened to Rose Royce's Saturday 12 Noon playing of "Wishing On A Star"? ???

 

[mistermicrophone]

As I see it, the only other type of music besides rap is rock (not exactly flexible)...

So, does that mean that before rap began in the late '70s/early '80s, that all music was rock, by your definition???

And, what about music from before rock (and roll) began in the early 1950s'? There was music before both rap and rock existed...

(sigh) I was talking about recent years, NOT all time!

Looking at the Kiss top 30 (at least last week's version), there are ACTUALLY more Jam'n songs than rock songs. 6 of Kiss' top 10 either are on Jam'n or are high on Jam'n's national hip hop format playlist. There are 11 total hip hop tunes on Kiss vs. 9 rock tunes - not included are Britney, one of the Justin tunes (the other is big on hip hop and #2 R&B nationally), Fergie, Sean Kingston and that Kat Deluna song which my nieces like. Is Kiss back (musically) to Sunny Joe levels? Of course not - but at least it sounds like it's far away from John Ivey's rock-heavy era (where Def Leppard and Bon Jovi tunes somehow passed for Kiss classics - unlike songs from the Sunny Joe era, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard may have a beat, but you sure as hell can't dance to them).

I don't think KISS is programming to re-live either the Sunny Joe or John Ivey era. They want to win NOW by evolving as times change and the format changes. If their listeners tell them want to hear Def Leppard, they'll play it. If they say Cameo is they way to go, they'll play it. I'd hate to break it to you, Steve, but you are not the demo...deal with it.

And in recent years it's rap and rock only???? What is Fergie, Big Girls Don't Cry? Is that rap or rock? What about Rihanna Hate That I Love You? Is that rap or rock? Jordin Sparks?

 

[dlhalper]

So did I miss it or did Rhumba not show up very well (again)? When will CC admit they made a mistake and put some progressive talk back on the air? I could really do something positive with that format if given a chance, said Donna who has more than 30 years of radio experience...

 

[SonicOverload]

So did I miss it or did Rhumba not show up very well (again)? When will CC admit they made a mistake and put some progressive talk back on the air? I could really do something positive with that format if given a chance, said Donna who has more than 30 years of radio experience...

actually, I'm too lazy to look it up. What have the ratings been for Rhumba vs. progressive talk? I know it's miniscule overall but I'm curious.

 

[Eli Polonsky]

actually, I'm too lazy to look it up. What have the ratings been for Rhumba vs. progressive talk? I know it's miniscule overall but I'm curious.

So far, Rumba's ratings in the 12+ have been slightly lower than Progressive Talk was, but they were both poor. Never saw either hit a "1" for both WKOX/WXKS combined.

WNNW, the Spanish music station in Lawrence that covers mainly just the northern part of the market, gets better number in the greater Boston 12+ than either format did/does on WXKS/WKOX combined.