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It's not just KRTH, and not just Los Angeles.

vchimpanzee said:
The way I have described the station, and from what I have heard when listening and seen online, they're unlikely to play Pat Boone at all.

Fats Domino and Little Richard would surely be played. I can make a list of songs somewhere this afternoon to give you an idea of what the station is like.
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And I can't make a list. The station isn't even showing what song is playing now.

I can say I never heard the song and the artist could be Black but might not be.
 
Huff said:
We see on these very boards people going into deep analysis about monthlies, clamoring over the slightest moves and discussing whether adding a few songs might have led to a station going up or down a tenth of a share... often not realizing how much those figures can (and do) wobble, and how small those sample sizes can be in even the largest market when you start whittling down to dayparts and demos. What often gets left out here is many buyers still look at quarterly averages and smart programmers aren't flinching when their stations make small wobbles in monthlies.
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I have observed over the years that the more doomed your format is, the more you obsess over monthlies (or weeklies.)

If the only way you can tell me in a memo that everything is fine is by quoting an uptick in the last 2 weeks of a narrow demo? You're doomed. I got a ratings memo once where the PD said "Ignore everything else, just look at the last two weeks. It's starting to work." Yeah, he was canned and the format flushed two weeks later.

If you're top 5 in a demo that matters over a couple of books? Everything really is fine.

As it is at KTRH, even if they are in the words of Steely Dan playing somebody else's favorite song.
 
DavidEduardo said:
(That sounds like an amazing plot for a SciFi movie... replace half the population of a big city with people who are very, very different in tastes and customs and social behaviour... maybe you and I can do an on-line writer's room and put it together!)
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michael hagerty said:
I'd love to, David, but it would end up being awfully close to 1999's Brendan Fraser comedy "Blast from the Past" (boy raised in a bomb shelter underneath the San Fernando Valley since 1962 comes out into the real world 25 years later):
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Or Netflix/Tina Fey's comedy series from a few years ago, "The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt". Similar premise, opposite coast.
 
michael hagerty said:
I'd love to, David, but it would end up being awfully close to 1999's Brendan Fraser comedy "Blast from the Past" (boy raised in a bomb shelter underneath the San Fernando Valley since 1962 comes out into the real world 25 years later):
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I was thinking more of a cultural gap... put the population of Ishpeming, Michigan into San Antonio or the folks from Calais, Maine into Miami.
 
Daryl Lynn L.A. said:
I completely understand, Chimp. Stations often don't show what they're playing. It's all good. :)
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It just happened once. However, they don't make the song currently being played easy to read, though the DJ gave artist an title for pretty much everything, and once I finished a list of an hour of their programming, I didn't really see the evidence of what I said. None of the songs were the "Black" version of a song best known as being recorded by a white artist. I can say the only white artists played were men who sang drinking songs, when the hour's theme according to the DJ was favorite drinks, and one man who I looked up who sounded Black but looked white. Percy Faith's "Theme from 'A Summer Place'" doesn't count because it was played while the DJ was talking, twice. And he was really annoying, which kept the song from really being enjoyed in my opinion.

That DJ left for the day and his replacement was Black. That's the first DJ I know of on that station who wasn't white.
 
CTListener said:
A country programmer could fill a complete library -- contemporary or classic -- with drinking songs sung by white men.
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Why invoke race? Are white men a pejorative? Lesser in stature? Are you sure there are no black men singing country drinking songs? Or are we segregating (to use a term) black and white drinking songs?Why can't people just enjoy fun country drinking songs regardless of whose singing them?

I have heard a rumor that even women country artists have sung about drinking too. what about them?
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Why invoke race? Are white men a pejorative? Lesser in stature? Are you sure there are no black men singing country drinking songs? Or are we segregating (to use a term) black and white drinking songs?Why can't people just enjoy fun country drinking songs regardless of whose singing them?

I have heard a rumor that even women country artists have sung about drinking too. what about them?
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The fact is that the vast and overwhelming number of country drinking songs are, well, done by white men. There is nothing wrong with using a statistic to illustrate a point as long as it is accurate. This one is accurate.

Heck, even the best song (IMHO) about a woman drinking is sung by a man: "Straight Tequila Night".

This is kinda' nit picking.
 
CTListener said:
A country programmer could fill a complete library -- contemporary or classic -- with drinking songs sung by white men.
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There were drinking songs by Black people as well. Maybe not as many as on the Country charts, but I can't count them out. Things like One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer by John Lee Hooker, or Too Much Alcohol by J.B. Hutto. I don't feel like poring through my collection of 1950s blues or Discogs to find them all.

Race don't matter. We all like our adult beverages, and songs about them. :D
 
KeithE4 said:
There were drinking songs by Black people as well.
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Of course, but our resident Chimpanzee brought up country drinking songs, and said "I can say the only white artists played were men who sang drinking songs".

So CTListener was simply responding in context.

Not every statistic that indicates behaviour by race is de fact racist. It is simply a statistic.

I could bring up tequila drinking songs in Regional Mexican music, but that was not the subject.
 
Suddenly I've become the Morgan Wallen of RadioDiscussions, and I didn't even use "that word," nor was I drunk!

Thanks for the defense, David and BigA. You've described precisely the context in which my apparently misleadingly glib observation was made. Whether Flipper or Keith choose to believe me, I frankly don't care. We're all just pixels on a screen here, right?
 
CTListener said:
hanks for the defense, David and BigA. You've described precisely the context in which my apparently misleadingly glib observation was made.
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Pixels in the night exchanging refractions
Electrons on the screen
What were the chances we'd be ionizing
Before the image was even seen.
 
DavidEduardo said:
But, by the later 60's and 70's, in fact, stations were playing gold that dated back considerably. So a Top 40 fan who was 13 in 1980 was hearing songs from the early 70's.
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Exactly, this isn't rocket science. When the classic hits format first started back in the early 90's, it was predominantly focused on 70's-mid 80's. The target demo for advertisers remains 25-54 M-F, but those listeners even twenty years ago have aged-out of that demo, so CH shifts to familiar, well-tested music including more late 80's through early 2000.
Just because someone has aged-out of the format, doesn't mean it's any less effective.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Of course, but our resident Chimpanzee brought up country drinking songs, and said "I can say the only white artists played were men who sang drinking songs".

So CTListener was simply responding in context.

Not every statistic that indicates behaviour by race is de fact racist. It is simply a statistic.

I could bring up tequila drinking songs in Regional Mexican music, but that was not the subject.
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I'm going to bet some of these talented performers might sing a drinking song or two. HOME | Black Opry
 
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