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It's Official: Glenn Beck Is Leaving Fox News

I'll repeat what I said in the other Glenn Beck thread:

Fox News just announced that Beck's show is being dropped. Ratings and advertiser boycotts aside, I think there's another reason. Despite its clearly conservative leanings, Fox News wants to maintain credibility as a legitimate news source. Beck seriously undermines that credibility.

It's one thing to have opinion shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who hold reasonably mainstream views about the world. It's quite another thing to give air time to a man who's clearly on the fringe of public opinion, and keeps spouting wacky conspiracy theories.

I wonder who Beck will blame for the "conspiracy" to have his show eliminated. Maybe Roger Ailes has been having lunch with George Soros.
 
Lkeller said:
It's quite another thing to give air time to a man who's clearly on the fringe of public opinion, and keeps spouting wacky conspiracy theories.
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Says who? You? Media Matters?

He's #3 on cable news, STILL beating anything on CNN & MSNBC. That's hardly fringe.

G
 
Lkeller said:
It's one thing to have opinion shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who hold reasonably mainstream views about the world.
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Were you able to write that while maintaining a straight face?

There is right wing, mainstream and left wing.

"Mainstream" they ain't!
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Lkeller said:
It's one thing to have opinion shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who hold reasonably mainstream views about the world.
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Were you able to write that while maintaining a straight face?

There is right wing, mainstream and left wing.

"Mainstream" they ain't!
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I'll ask you the same question.....says who?

The ratings say you're wrong.

G
 
Ratings in the immediate do not necessarily equate to ratings, or overall health of the network, later. I'm pretty sick of all the left-wing Fox News haters but they have a point here... Glenn Beck is a one-trick pony and his glimmer is starting to fade. He does sound like a nutball at times and that kind of thing does serious damage.

Here's to hoping my local talker comes back to their senses and reinstates Laura Ingraham in the 9a-12p time slot.
 
upstate29651 said:
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Lkeller said:
It's one thing to have opinion shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who hold reasonably mainstream views about the world.
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Were you able to write that while maintaining a straight face?

There is right wing, mainstream and left wing.

"Mainstream" they ain't!
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I'll ask you the same question.....says who?

The ratings say you're wrong.
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The ratings only say what the size of the radio audience is. And the ratings tell you which programs have the largest audience.

Having the largest audience does not make you MAINSTREAM. I just means you have a speech pattern, a shtick, a style that tickles the ears of some people. The politics that best represents the largest number of citizens is not controversial so it does not gather an audience. Extremists attract audiences. MAINSTREAM can be defined as not being extremist in either direction, right or left.

In the world of governance, and the world of politics, we have had people on the right, people in the mainstream middle and people on the left for over 200 years... long before we had radio programs.

Instead of shutting down government, maybe we should consider shutting down the radio industry for a couple of years. Without the extremist talk shows stirring up the extremist citizens, the level-headed MAINSTREAM legislators might be will to get things done in Washington that would please the MAINSTREAM citizens.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
The politics that best represents the largest number of citizens is not controversial so it does not gather an audience. Extremists attract audiences. MAINSTREAM can be defined as not being extremist in either direction, right or left.
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So then if Beck is losing audience, does that mean he's becoming more MAINSTREAM? ;D (Sorry, just had to throw that out there!)

Personally, I think the issue with Beck is not so much that he has these "conspiracy theories" - many of which I find to be plausible enough to take a second look at - but rather with his recent foray into matters of honor and morality, sounding almost like a TV preacher at times, I think he's turned off many that are uncomfortable with such topics.

Just my opinion FWIW.
 
Ratings aside, it's possible Fox had to come to some sort of consensus due to the lack of major advertisers during Beck's show. IMHO, anyway...

So, what do you suppose Fox News will do with the soon-to-be-vacant 5 PM ET hour? Give it to another radio host, such as the aforementioned Laura Ingraham? Or perhaps restore the "America's News/Election HQ" to the hour?
 
upstate29651 said:
Lkeller said:
It's quite another thing to give air time to a man who's clearly on the fringe of public opinion, and keeps spouting wacky conspiracy theories.
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Says who? You? Media Matters?

He's #3 on cable news, STILL beating anything on CNN & MSNBC. That's hardly fringe.

G
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Whoa - I'm being attacked from both sides here. ;D

To "Upstate": fringe wacky people have been getting great ratings on TV for decades. Morton Downey Jr. and Jerry Springer both had great ratings, but their shows wouldn't be appropriate for a respectable cable news outlet. And as far as I know, neither Downey or Springer ever gave support to end-of-the world (as we know it) type conspiracy theories. The point is - the content of their shows was 'fringe' and wouldn't have been appropriate for a news channel. Beck is spouting more than opinion (like Hanitty & O'Reilly), he's asking people to believe in some pretty wild theories. Did you see his appearance on The O'Reilly Factor? Bill expressed skepticism about one of Beck's theories, and the best comeback Beck could deliver was "you can't prove it's not true.". Well, yeah...I can't prove that suicide bombers don't get 72 virgins when they go to heaven, either - but I'm reasonably confident that it's bulls__t.

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Lkeller said:
It's one thing to have opinion shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who hold reasonably mainstream views about the world.

Were you able to write that while maintaining a straight face?There is right wing, mainstream and left wing. "Mainstream" they ain't!
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To GRC: I probably did smile a bit when I typed that. But I try to have an open mind. I'm sure there are some reading my posts here who assume I'm on the left-wing fringe, but really I'm just a moderate Democrat. I have a couple of friends with the same political beliefs as Hannity and O'Reilly, but even though I disagree with them about politics, they're otherwise terrific people who I have a lot in common with.

So I try not to stigmatize...that's all.
 
Lkeller said:
... fringe wacky people have been getting great ratings on TV for decades. Morton Downey Jr. and Jerry Springer both had great ratings, but their shows wouldn't be appropriate for a respectable cable news outlet. And as far as I know, neither Downey or Springer ever gave support to end-of-the world (as we know it) type conspiracy theories...
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I don't know... Remember when Jerry Springer had that radio talk show on Air America for about five seconds? You know (certainly, OhioMediaWatch knows) - the radio show that Pig Vomit decided should replace Glenn Beck on WTAM/Cleveland. And as for Morton Downey, Jr., well, he had a novelty album released at the height of his TV show, and if you listen to the lyrics, the subjects in over half of the songs eventually (fictionally) die. Now that's a conspiracy, I think... :eek:
 
Beck's message in 2006 was also different.
It was more "get to know me so I can become famous" than "even my friends don't believe my message" like it is now.
 
Lkeller said:
...as far as I know, neither Downey or Springer ever gave support to end-of-the world (as we know it) type conspiracy theories.
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Personally, if any of those end-of-world crackpots appeared on Morton Downey's show, it would often end with Mort blowing cigarette smoke in the crackpot's face.
 
Does this mean that Juan Williams can do his show now Called "To catch a NPR listener" ;D ;D ;D Now that beck is Leaving this is probably a good time for Juan to have his crackpot show on Fox. and send out the guy who went after the management of NPR and got him removed.
 
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