Jack-FM Pulling Out Of July 4 Event = Jack's Days Numbered In L.A.?

[DToTheJ]

There is a report that 93.1 Jack-FM "has withdrawn its proposal to put on a July 3 festival the day before Redondo Beach's Independence Day fireworks" but plans to be a part of the main event at Seaside Lagoon that weekend.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_17976216

Now, maybe us radiophiles may have a tendency to read into things a little too deep but... anyone get the impression that this move signals CBS possibly rebranding "Jack-FM" in L.A.? Think about it: "Jack" was killed in New York City a few years ago (actually, when "CBS-FM" returned, "Jack" was jettisoned to its HD-2 channel; "Jack" was quietly snuffed out in favor of "ToNY" after awhile), and just recently, they rebranded "Jack" in Chicago as "K-Hits".

Or maybe I don't know Jack... : But considering the way CBS has been phasing out the "Jack" name on its stations in recent years, it's possible it could happen here, too.

 

[justpassingthough]

One could hope they rebrand Jack. It had so much promise at first, but how many times can you hear the same boring 80s and 90s crap before you consider switching the station?

I understand that playlists must be kept tight to keep listeners around, but even KBIG's mix of music sounds better.

 

[the golden boy]

Jack was a failure in NYC because it replaced CBS-FM; we now see that that's a no-no. I think the problem with most CBS Jacks I've heard is that the music is too narrowly focused. Jackson, MS (my home market) has a Jack and it draws from the 70s through 2010 and even a handful of 60s. It's not owned by CBS, Clear Channel or any of the other big radio conglomerates. Open the playlist some more and it may do some wonders for its freshness.

 

[davideduardo]

anyone get the impression that this move signals CBS possibly rebranding "Jack-FM" in L.A.? Think about it: "Jack" was killed in New York City a few years ago (actually, when "CBS-FM" returned, "Jack" was jettisoned to its HD-2 channel; "Jack" was quietly snuffed out in favor of "ToNY" after awhile), and just recently, they rebranded "Jack" in Chicago as "K-Hits".

Let's do that... change the format or branding on the market's #5 biller, the contry's 13th highest biller (7th higest FM) and the second highest FM biller of all the CBS stations.

Those are all reasons for changing formats...

 

[travisl5678]

I have a feeling this means nothing, Jack has worked much better in LA than other parts of the country

 

[Buckethead]

Jack is doing great. They probably have something better (more lucrative) they want to do.

 

[radiojomo]

It would be interesting to see Jack experiment with adding a morning drive show and see if it would improve TSL numbers. (I assume Jack's TSL numbers aren't as strong as let's say KROQ in the morning, as are most all music stations in general)

Obviously, it would have to be a very well recognized morning show. Maybe KROQ should consider moving Kevin & Bean to JACK in a few years and freshen up KROQ mornings with a new show.

Just a thought...

 

[vonrollskyway1]

Jack in San Diego is doing real well.The Dave,Shelly And Chainsaw show brought there ratings way up from a 17 share to A 3 share..

 

[davideduardo]

Jack in San Diego is doing real well.The Dave,Shelly And Chainsaw show brought there ratings way up from a 17 share to A 3 share..

"There" (sic) ratings were not at the 17 share level.

Going back 12 years, I could not find any show doing anything above around a 7-share average range (KGB, KFMB-FM KOGO)... and that was a decade ago.

 

[vonrollskyway1]

My bad...Sorry.A # 17 in the ratings to a #3 rating..Misplaced the wording

 

[wdb2003]

It might be off topic but does Jack protect KROQ? I would figure since they both bill well and their ratings are higher than KLOS, KYSR ,The Sound and Indie (RIP). I notice some Jacks are program different depending on the market. Jack FM here focus on more rock music. The first Jack FM station I heard was in Kansas City KCJK 105.1FM. They play alot of music ragning from different eras. Yes they play Lady Gaga. The ABC radio feed sucks when I heard it on vacation in Oklahoma City a few years back KOJK 97.3 now its Country KKGN. But I do like LA's Jack much better. I just wondering how was Arrow 93 ratings before the flip?

 

[oldies76]

Never understood why "Jack" was brought on in the first place....never liked this type of programming and presentation.....never will.

At least, New York City mounted enough pressure to get CBS-FM back. Tight playlists of Jack are another major turn off.

 

[davideduardo]

Never understood why "Jack" was brought on in the first place....never liked this type of programming and presentation.....never will.

Jack and somewhat similar formats originated with the intense dislike of motormouth DJs by a significant portion of the audience. Playing a list that is "a thousand miles wide but an inch deep" gives a variety that is achieved with three or four decades of music.

At least, New York City mounted enough pressure to get CBS-FM back.

Not true.

"Pressure" had nothing to do with it.

The early PPM results in the first PPM test market (data only released to a few parties) demonstrated to CBS that classic hits was a PPM winner, so as PPM rolled into markets like New York, CBS added classic hits formats to win in the PPM.

Did I mention that CBS-FM in New York changed from Jack to classic hits as a reaction and response to the PPM?

Tight playlists of Jack are another major turn off.

Jack formats typically have among the broadest playlists on commercial radio. LA's jack can have upwards of 900 to 1000 titles in significant daypart rotation.

 

[davideduardo]

It might be off topic but does Jack protect KROQ? I would figure since they both bill well and their ratings are higher than KLOS, KYSR ,The Sound and Indie (RIP). I notice some Jacks are program different depending on the market. Jack FM here focus on more rock music. The first Jack FM station I heard was in Kansas City KCJK 105.1FM. They play alot of music ragning from different eras. Yes they play Lady Gaga. The ABC radio feed sucks when I heard it on vacation in Oklahoma City a few years back KOJK 97.3 now its Country KKGN. But I do like LA's Jack much better. I just wondering how was Arrow 93 ratings before the flip?

"Jack" is a concept, not a format. The music is locally researched where the market can afford research. They are all supposed to be different. The concept came out of Canada, where it worked very well; it was adapted to US markets and is even being marketed in Mexico and elsewhere with localized implementations.

Arrow was declining, and was ripe for a change.

 

[LKellerIII]

The Bay Area's version of 'Jack' a few years ago (Bonneville's "Max-FM") seemd to have a huge playlist. I enjoyed the music, and those humrous cut-in bits, which were done by John O'Hurley ("Peterman" on Seinfeld). But for whatever reason, it didn't work here. When ratings for the format did not improve, they brought in DJs for awhile, but I guess that didn't work either because the jocks disappeared after a few months. A few months after that, the entire format disappeared.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

It might be off topic but does Jack protect KROQ? I would figure since they both bill well and their ratings are higher than KLOS, KYSR ,The Sound and Indie (RIP). I notice some Jacks are program different depending on the market. Jack FM here focus on more rock music. The first Jack FM station I heard was in Kansas City KCJK 105.1FM. They play alot of music ragning from different eras. Yes they play Lady Gaga. The ABC radio feed sucks when I heard it on vacation in Oklahoma City a few years back KOJK 97.3 now its Country KKGN. But I do like LA's Jack much better. I just wondering how was Arrow 93 ratings before the flip?

"Jack" is a concept, not a format. The music is locally researched where the market can afford research. They are all supposed to be different. The concept came out of Canada, where it worked very well; it was adapted to US markets and is even being marketed in Mexico and elsewhere with localized implementations.

Arrow was declining, and was ripe for a change.

That can't be true. I loved hearing the same stale Skynerd, Zep, AC/DC, Boston, Supertramp, and Stones tracks all the time, day after day. Who doesn't love a station with only 300 titles in its library? Arrow was the bomb, or at least the arrow.

 

[uncamark]

Arrow was declining, and was ripe for a change.

That can't be true. I loved hearing the same stale Skynerd, Zep, AC/DC, Boston, Supertramp, and Stones tracks all the time, day after day. Who doesn't love a station with only 300 titles in its library? Arrow was the bomb, or at least the arrow.

Note: Above contribution from Channel Flipper is sarcasm.

 

[the golden boy]

It might be off topic but does Jack protect KROQ? I would figure since they both bill well and their ratings are higher than KLOS, KYSR ,The Sound and Indie (RIP). I notice some Jacks are program different depending on the market. Jack FM here focus on more rock music. The first Jack FM station I heard was in Kansas City KCJK 105.1FM. They play alot of music ragning from different eras. Yes they play Lady Gaga. The ABC radio feed sucks when I heard it on vacation in Oklahoma City a few years back KOJK 97.3 now its Country KKGN. But I do like LA's Jack much better. I just wondering how was Arrow 93 ratings before the flip?

"Jack" is a concept, not a format. The music is locally researched where the market can afford research. They are all supposed to be different. The concept came out of Canada, where it worked very well; it was adapted to US markets and is even being marketed in Mexico and elsewhere with localized implementations.

Arrow was declining, and was ripe for a change.

Jack started out as an Internet radio station in the U.S. It did, however, get its terrestrial radio start in Canada.

 

[davideduardo]

Jack started out as an Internet radio station in the U.S. It did, however, get its terrestrial radio start in Canada.

That interpretation relies on considering streams to fit the definition of "radio station." At some point, popular usage merged or confused the terms, but when the original stream originated, internet radio (using the term more broadly) was hardly a blip on anyone's radar.

 

[radiojomo]

AMP was originally conceived on 93.1 HD2 and online.